Recess Is Over - Now To Muck Up The Lesson

That's what i mean though, its not the end of the world, he already does it :rofl: why not do it for himself and make them known to be using his winning cuts, not as MNS as its not what the company stands for but maybe under a different name, kinda like Bodhi has his regular line, then Supernatural Selections for more standout stuff and also Nierika for landraces ;) Tbh I'm glad its not happening because down the track it would probably affect things in the bigger scale, ive seen plenty of good strains lost because they think the fem version is "just as good" ;)
 
Skunkworkz said:
Feral,
A feminized seed in no way, shape or form implies a copy of the P1 mom. [IMO] Shanti's refusal on breeding femmd seeds is correct, and at some point I hope the market corrects itself as my circle finds fem seeds to be wholly inferior to their m/f counterparts in every aspect.
Part of growing herb is the selection process. Lazy people cutting corners or people in a hurry think femmd seeds beat the process of natural selection. They're wrong. There isn't an heirloom/elite clone out there that's derived from an intentional, "feminized" seed, and there's a reason for that. .

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I completely agree, i use regulars as much as possible in my gardens, basically only have a select few breeders i use these days and am quite happy with my results, herm free :high-five: What I'm talking about is the people that will not use regular seed, wether they are scared or just don't know what they are doing when sexing a plant, wouldn't it be nice to send them to MNS or Shanti to purchase them? as long as it doesn't affect the regular line of course ;) I know if i really had to buy a fem seed i know where id like it to come from if you get what I'm saying :thumb:
 
Difference is he doesn't do it for himself.. that's a big one.. he can pay the bills with it, under somebody else's banner, like a contractor but your not buying his beans, even though he made them.. I'll buy what he puts his name behind...
 
It would have been for me had he said mns was going in that direction.. who else would there be to believe, in this cannabis community? I'm so flicking happy
 
GrizzWald said:
Difference is he doesn't do it for himself.. that's a big one.. he can pay the bills with it, under somebody else's banner, like a contractor but your not buying his beans, even though he made them.. I'll buy what he puts his name behind...
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I'm with you there, i stick to what he puts his name to, saying that if he did release a fem line i wouldn't buy it, just would be nice for others to kinda get the same experience we get from their regs. Another thing is he puts his name behind CBD Crew, they offer a lot of fem varieties, i don't like CBD, it does nothing for me, even still i wouldn't be going for fem stuff. The only fems that get a run these days in my tents are the ones i already purchased or got as freebies, most of them wont even get that :thumb:
 
That's patients medicine.. I'm a stoner.. I'll worry about medicine when I'm sick..
 
He wrote they sell both regs and fems cbd.. I thought only fems.. said you can't breed with the regs though for medicine, you won't get the ratio numbers..
 
you can breed with the regs but you wont know what you have unless you have it lab tested ;) we don't have that option, grow it out, if it works, it works :rofl: I'm not sick so i don't know if it works :rofl:

Another thing is you could take the feminised version and cross it into another strain and end up with a dominance of the other strain, ending up with low cbd offspring, again not knowing unless lab tested :thumb:
 
Interesting conversation boyz. Seems there are many different opinions out there in the canna world about what is good and what isn't. Feminized vs regular. Photo vs auto. Sativa vs Indica. Peanut butter vs jelly.

My take: Almost all modern weed is potent and satisfying. Fem and regular seeds can both produce a wide variety of results because of the differing skills of the growers more than anything else IMHO. You can talk about the genetic merits of this or that all day but in the end what you can do with it shapes the outcome every bit as much. So to me a green thumb is actually the most important difference between varieties.

Is one variety really better than another?

I think we all pretty much agree the strain with the coolest name is the best. :smoke2:

Peace, Hyena
 
Random drive-by bud photo. Blue Hyena, six weeks into flower.

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I find the effect very generic on most modern strains I've tried.. but effect really is only one factor.. probably the biggest for me is taste, the smell, the enjoyment of that..
 
I have found with most fems ive ever dropped have had some sort of genetic fault, wether it be something hardly noticeable right up to the full on hermies, just don't seem to grow pure like the regs imo. taste will come down a lot to the genetics used even with regs and sadly everyone wants to be running a berry dogshit cream pie cookie strain these days so a lot of the classic flavors we know just are not out there unless using breeders like MNS or landrace, original pure genetics :) Fems do have their place, as do autos, just not around me please :rofl: basically what i find with fems is they have picked what you are going to grow, they lock down certain phenotypes and label it as a new strain, you could drop a pack of regs and find something so much better, or worse, but its what suits you, not what someone else has decided for you :thumb:
 
GrizzWald said:
I find the effect very generic on most modern strains I've tried.. but effect really is only one factor.. probably the biggest for me is taste, the smell, the enjoyment of that..
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Spot on mate.

Pretty much every variety I have tried in the last five years kicks ass from a potency perspective. And they all get you just as high; one might take three hits and another five hits to reach the same level but they all get you there.

I'm with you...it's all about flavor. And thankfully, we are living in the golden age of that.

Peace, Hyena
 
Wish I could agree with the golden age but not so.. well not the strains I've grown.. that should change with growing seed from unmolested strains..
 
In saying that, if you don't know, your not missing anything..
 
That blue hyena is looking nice mate.. you and your photography skills, looks like I could grab it out the screen :)
 
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In saying that, if you don't know your not missing anything.
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Exactly this.
Thing is, I'm not on any mission to educate growers coming up-if they're too lazy to read the data that's miraculously compiled for them via the internet then fuck 'em. I'll tell you this though: When you put me in a room with 50 "modern" growers their results are generally lackluster as fuck as opposed to even ten years ago. I don't smoke anything (I gently take a pass) that's not 9.x/10, and there's very few people that produce quality actually that consistent. I will sit with friends & we'll critique new acquisitions on their actual genetic merits, and tbh it's pretty rare that anything new makes the cut and sticks around.
The majority (99.999%) of stuff I see grown from seed these days, and I see a LOT, is, to be blunt, mediocre as fuck. A four-way poly hybrid of four way polyhybrids is a factor of thousands of possible variations in phenotypes and since only 1:1000 growers, maybe, is familiar with what the original P1 parent stock target selections are really like, their amateur selections generally tend to blow ass. Which isn't to say that "unicorns" can't be found, it's to say that unicorns are a lot more rare than people act like they are. Every kid growing "OG Kush" in a tent thinks his plants are the be all end all. And I get it. And good for him. Because compared to his experiences they are. But in reality, his "OG Kush" is probably the product of seeds found in dispensary or coffee shop baggies & fucked together, then marketed by assholes looking to make a quick buck.
For example, there's a sponsor here who I can't name or ofc I'll get banned, who sells seeds that absolutely aren't as labeled. Or, at best, are utter knockoffs of working breeders. Which makes them thieves, to be kind. And they get lots of complaints. Which doesn't stop them from doing what they do. Their pollen chuckers aren't breeders, they're the same assholes that sell fake Coach purses & Gucci bags. And people keep buying them & supporting this crap. It used to be, pre green rush, that the community would self-police shitbags like that (coughs, hi Marc Emery) but now the industry is overrun with these douchecanoes & flashy shitty websites selling false promises.

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Fair points Skunky.

Everybody buying pot seeds by mail is investing in a promise. Nothing more. The only thing sillier than believing everything seed-sellers write about their seeds is believing there will never be some shitbags making a quick, less-than-fully-honest buck in the weed seed business. But a fake Rolex or Gucci bag still delivers the goods. Crappy genetics do not, so I think misrepresenting weed seeds is an even greater crime. :hmmmm:

Like you said, the internet is useful if you know how to determine the legitimacy of what is available there. Many won't know the difference, and newbie and hobby growers will need multiple grows to develop evaluative skills, so well-marketed crappy seeds will permeate the landscape forever. Buyer beware, and experience is the best teacher both come to mind.

I am very interested in producing a line of seeds because a couple crosses I made accidentally are amazingly flavorful, produce a particularly interesting buzz, and are also very strong. But I refuse to put anything out there that will not be 100% as described on the package, tested, and able to deliver consistent high value. If I can't get there I won't do it, period. And I admit it may not happen. The genetics I am using are very sound, I sourced the original parents carefully, but getting from there to 5,000 fat perfect viable seeds with acceptably homogeneous characteristics is a long climb. I feel like I am about halfway up the mountain. A lot of people look at the ease of breeding a couple plants and selling seeds for five or ten bucks apiece and can't resist getting there any way they can and I think that's what you were saying, I agree that has probably diluted the quality of the overall seed market considerably judging by the many negative reviews people have posted after they grew out the beans. I don't want to be a guy who contributed to that problem. So bottom line is as much as I want to do this, if I can't do it right, I won't.

Seems to me there's three groups buying seeds. The hobby/newbie/small tent/closet growers, the serious amateurs, and the pros. The pros probably get their seeds more directly than mail order since they need more and buy in quantity. Serious amateurs (those who have learned the art and science of getting everything out of a plant, regardless of grow size) know what they want and are usually after specific genetics, so they are less susceptible to hyperbolic product descriptions. Logic tells me the people who know the least about growing tend to buy up a huge chunk of the seed product out there, otherwise, all the confusing names and exaggerated descriptions wouldn't work so well and thus be so prevalent. Even if I wanted to I couldn't figure out the real lineage of a lot of beans you see on the seedbank sites. Hell, even on seedfinder.eu, you trace the genetic trees and the word "probably" appears in so many places you start thinking who truly knows where anything really came from??!

There are still only about five real bricks in the original genetic baseline of all good cannabis, according to me. I believe everything is a derivative of them.

Does it taste delicious and get me really high? Still the only criteria that matter IMHO.

Peace, Hyena
 
Hyena,
Nice post, with a caveat; Professionals trade in cuts far more than they mess with seeds. Because, someone else they trust/know/like has already made a selection they won't have to run but once to judge for themselves. Seeds are great fun, but as you know they take hella time to run/sort/select/judge etc. and time, as they say, is money. .
A friend of mine is currently eyeballs deep selecting a P1 MNS Super Silver Haze mom from seed. A good size room, full of SSH moms, and corresponding-numbered, rooted clones waiting to see which makes the cut. (In this case, there's already known keeper(s). One benefit to buying from MNS is the veracity of the P1 stock, and their Haze mom is dominant. as. fuck. Making selection relatively easy. This time, it was out of 12 seeds: 2 males/9 females/1 defect-culled. Out of the 9 females, 7 are extremely Haze dominant, one is NL-dom, and one is Haze-dom w/a clear hint of Skunk. Makes selection pretty damn easy when Haze is the target.

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