Radogast's Hi-Brix Basement Grow - New Location - New Soil - New Experiences

[Blazinjones]

Bubba's Gift Washed and drying

Right now, the nugs are hard and heavy. . . and sticky. Nice and sticky.

What type of light is tht above the plants in the second pic?? N lookn very nice after a nice wash hmmmm looks like its guna taste great man gud job 4 sure

 

[Radogast]

What type of light is tht above the plants in the second pic?? N lookn very nice after a nice wash hmmmm looks like its guna taste great man gud job 4 sure

My veg light is a 4x4' T5 HO light fixture with Agromax 'Pure Par Veg' F54T5HO bulbs. My leaves grew a darker green when I switched to these lightly purple lights. I could probably veg faster with LED, but until recently I was more interested in vegging slowly so I could have more strains going. Since my flower tent isn't full, I might rethink that strategy. I have a pair of 100x3W LEDs I could add to the veg area. At this point, any change to veg probably means changing furniture, but I've put that off too long already.

Thanks for asking - now I have another rainy day project !

 

[Blazinjones]

My veg light is a 4x4' T5 HO light fixture with Agromax 'Pure Par Veg' F54T5HO bulbs. My leaves grew a darker green when I switched to these lightly purple lights. I could probably veg faster with LED, but until recently I was more interested in vegging slowly so I could have more strains going. Since my flower tent isn't full, I might rethink that strategy. I have a pair of 100x3W LEDs I could add to the veg area. At this point, any change to veg probably means changing furniture, but I've put that off too long already.

Thanks for asking - now I have another rainy day project !

Lol sry 4 tht it jus looked really cool so i had 2 ask n yea man leds are the shit i jus got a cheapo cob light n holy balls they love it in the veg tent almost makes me wana go order another 1 jus to throw in the flower tent but wudnt be able 2 put it up till i got more yoyos for one n my bigger fan needs 2 show up first but yea man cant go worng with sum decent leds bro lookn gud tho anyway ur rockn the high brix thts 4 sure

 

[Morglie]

K so she is in veg n the temp is like 85 86 degrees f n humidity is 36 but im guna be getting a cold air humidifier for tht as soon as i get my check n i water wen she is dry about 2 ana half cups ro water or tea depending on the day every 2 r 3 days

It's not excessively so, but your humidity is low. Especially for the mid 80s. In veg you want to be around 45-60 rh. That can cause some of the leaf yellowing issues. To me the plant in the picture looks overwatered. There are plenty way more knowledge than I am though. Make sure your environment is good and then see what issues are still there.

 

[Blazinjones]

It's not excessively so, but your humidity is low. Especially for the mid 80s. In veg you want to be around 45-60 rh. That can cause some of the leaf yellowing issues. To me the plant in the picture looks overwatered. There are plenty way more knowledge than I am though. Make sure your environment is good and then see what issues are still there.

Thanx yea im working on getting a cold air humidifier rite now to boost the rh alil bit in my flower tent and then another1 to boost it alil bit in the veg tent as well the main issue im running into is over heating in my flower tent its getting up 2 90 sumthn degrees during the day sumtimes wen its cold out its decent in the tent mid 80s but wen it gets hot outside the tent jus gets scorching hot so yea def need tht fan to arrive i got originally a 200 cfm fan from vivosun i believe n it dont work for shit so i got a 440 cfm or 400 sumthn anyway lol can fully remember the size but i no it was 4sumthn lol but yea once tht gets here ill put tht one in my flower tent n the lil one in the veg tent then i shud be gud on the heat issue then i will jus be needn the humidifiers

 

[bobrown14]

I was just admiring your Early Vixen photos -- and a beautiful girl she is - then I saw this massive hand in the photo! Either that, or those aren't 5 gallon buckets.

Are you running Build-A-Soil soil & organic teas in 2-gallon buckets?

If these girls are in only 2-3 gallons of soil, I don't think you have enough soil to be living soil that feeds your roots. I think Doc Oc is running out of soil and nutrients. I'm not saying Living soil can't be done in 2-3 gallons, but 5 gallon or more would be easier.

Rad spot on.... 5 gal minimum in flower. One or 2 yellow leaves are not a problem in my flower or veg rooms.

Plants shed those btm leaves after a while. Leaves have a life span that is less than the life span of the plant. Some older leaves yellow and fall off. Plant is using some of the nutrients stored in the leaf to grow flowers. IF you are worried there's something wrong, make a EWC & Kelp meal tea... dilute and water in.

Plant looks fine to me, cept missing apical meristem ...

 

[Radogast]

Thanx yea im working on getting a cold air humidifier rite now to boost the rh alil bit in my flower tent and then another1 to boost it alil bit in the veg tent as well the main issue im running into is over heating in my flower tent its getting up 2 90 sumthn degrees during the day sumtimes wen its cold out its decent in the tent mid 80s but wen it gets hot outside the tent jus gets scorching hot so yea def need tht fan to arrive i got originally a 200 cfm fan from vivosun i believe n it dont work for shit so i got a 440 cfm or 400 sumthn anyway lol can fully remember the size but i no it was 4sumthn lol but yea once tht gets here ill put tht one in my flower tent n the lil one in the veg tent then i shud be gud on the heat issue then i will jus be needn the humidifiers

Thrift stores are good for small, under $5 humidifiers. I see them a lot, especially near colleges this time of year (when the students move out for the summer.

I'm looking forward to your new exhaust fan.

Rad spot on.... 5 gal minimum in flower. One or 2 yellow leaves are not a problem in my flower or veg rooms.

Plants shed those btm leaves after a while. Leaves have a life span that is less than the life span of the plant. Some older leaves yellow and fall off. Plant is using some of the nutrients stored in the leaf to grow flowers. IF you are worried there's something wrong, make a EWC & Kelp meal tea... dilute and water in.

Plant looks fine to me, cept missing apical meristem ...

I'm inclined to grow a plant untouched again, I like those big colas on the apical meristem.

Has anyone noticed a correlation between topping a plant and their stretch indoors during flowering? It would be a shame to set up to grow a nice cola on a 'christmas tree' and have to bend the apical meristem in the last few weeks.

 

[Morglie]

Thanx yea im working on getting a cold air humidifier rite now to boost the rh alil bit in my flower tent and then another1 to boost it alil bit in the veg tent as well the main issue im running into is over heating in my flower tent its getting up 2 90 sumthn degrees during the day sumtimes wen its cold out its decent in the tent mid 80s but wen it gets hot outside the tent jus gets scorching hot so yea def need tht fan to arrive i got originally a 200 cfm fan from vivosun i believe n it dont work for shit so i got a 440 cfm or 400 sumthn anyway lol can fully remember the size but i no it was 4sumthn lol but yea once tht gets here ill put tht one in my flower tent n the lil one in the veg tent then i shud be gud on the heat issue then i will jus be needn the humidifiers

I'm breaking down my flower room in early July this year to set up another space because it will be hitting 90 late this summer with a humidity in the 70s and I can't do anything to bring that down in the space. I can tell you that plants in veg love it though. If you can't control the environment, try timing your grows so that you have plants vegging during that time of the year.

 

[Canyon]

....I'm inclined to grow a plant untouched again, I like those big colas on the apical meristem.

Has anyone noticed a correlation between topping a plant and their stretch indoors during flowering? It would be a shame to set up to grow a nice cola on a 'christmas tree' and have to bend the apical meristem in the last few weeks.

I am still adapting to my current light setup. I have only flowered a few plants with it. Most of my plants are topped. I am getting 6 to about 14" with most around 10" that was with HPS lighting for most of 5 years. My belief is that the older they are the less they tend to stretch. I also think dividing the top growth among multiple tops tends to contribute to the shorter stretch.

 

[Radogast]

I'm breaking down my flower room in early July this year to set up another space because it will be hitting 90 late this summer with a humidity in the 70s and I can't do anything to bring that down in the space. I can tell you that plants in veg love it though. If you can't control the environment, try timing your grows so that you have plants vegging during that time of the year.

Tead grows in New Orleans under extreme humidity - He seems to have success growing more lolipop type thin plants - but he also keeps his heat under control

I am still adapting to my current light setup. I have only flowered a few plants with it. Most of my plants are topped. I am getting 6 to about 14" with most around 10" that was with HPS lighting for most of 5 years. My belief is that the older they are the less they tend to stretch. I also think dividing the top growth among multiple tops tends to contribute to the shorter stretch.

In my experience, I agree, older plants stretch less.

In my last 2 girls to set buds (Lilly and Ace Mix), I've had a lot of stretch with 10+ tops (from 17" to 39", and 18 to 42".) But they are both heavily sativa, so maybe they would have been more stretchy with less tops.

 

[SweetSue]

Thrift stores are good for small, under $5 humidifiers. I see them a lot, especially near colleges this time of year (when the students move out for the summer.

I found a great Homedics one for 75% off at Target this year, just as the seasonal merchandise changed. Next year I'll watch for this to happen again. I paid around $40 and nearly danced home with it.

None of my plants stretch much Rad. It's always been like that. I top young or old, and it doesn't seem to matter. I don't believe I've had a single plant go over 4'.

 

[Blazinjones]

hey rad and well any1 who cud answer me wud be great but I jus had a question what is selfpolinating mean is it where u just let ur plant grow out till it produces a seed?? also what does backcrossing mean I'm just wondering I'm trying to look into tryn to take an auto strain I'm getting (dark devil ,and red poison) and makn seeds from them also wud those seeds be fem seeds or regular regular I'm guessing??

 

[Radogast]

hey rad and well any1 who cud answer me wud be great but I jus had a question what is selfpolinating mean is it where u just let ur plant grow out till it produces a seed?? also what does backcrossing mean I'm just wondering I'm trying to look into tryn to take an auto strain I'm getting (dark devil ,and red poison) and makn seeds from them also wud those seeds be fem seeds or regular regular I'm guessing??

Self pollinating is when the female plant produces pollen, the pollen fertilizes the female flowers, and then the flowers produce seeds.

The ways I know of for a female plant to produce pollen are a) the mature female plant produces 'nanners, b) the flowering plant is both male and female (hermaphrodite), and c) a human applies colloidal silver or something to induce some of the buds to produce pollen.

If the pollen is male, the seeds can be male or female.
If the pollen is female, the seeds will be female.

Hermaphrodite pollen is male.
I THINK 'nanner pollen is also male. I don't know for sure.
Colloidal silver pollen is female.

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Now the hard question ...



According to my reading ...
Backcrossing refers to taking the offspring of 2 parents (a cross/ an F1 hybrid) that has the desired traits and breeding it (back) with one of the parents to 'stabilize' the new strain. For backcrossing to produce a stable hybrid strain, multiple generations of crossing and back crossing need to occur, with the desired traits verified in each new generation, to produce a stable hybrid. This might be known as an In-Bred Line (IBL.) Lots of hybrid seeds being sold are not very stable as evidenced by multiple phenotypes in one hybrid strain. Unstable hybrids can be great because they have 'hybrid vigor' whereas in-breeding can produce weaker, but stable plants.

At the simplest level of breeding, crossing two parents to produce a couple of hundred seeds creates F1 Hybrids. Most F1 hybrids are a lot like the other F1 hybrids with the same parents IF THE PARENTS ARE STABLE. They are almost like clones of each other, and can be called a strain.

When F1s are bred together, from the same parents or different parents, they produce F2 hybrids, which tend to have divergent characteristics (as in they are all over the map in their behaviour.) The best of these can give years of service as 'clone only' strains but the F2 group as a whole is unstable/unpredictable.

Most seeds sold are some kind of hybrid, so crossing to strains creates an F2 (or F3 or F4...) Backcrossing a homemade hybrid with good characteristic to the parents create more stable genetics.


Dark Devil Auto seems to be an F5 strain with three Northern Lights Backcrosses(from the Jack Herer) and ruderalis on both sides.
Red Poison seems to be an F2 strain (with Ruderalis on only one side.)

Backcrossing to Red Poison probably makes more sense than DDA.


If you want to create a clone only strain, breed the two and save the clones you like

If you want to create a stable strain from your favorite clone, learn all you can about breeding, because the project might take several years.
If you start with frankenstrains like DDA, I imagine it will take even longer.
If you start with true landrace strains or IBL, I imagine the time will be shorter.

I only know of one person on 420 that has created a fairly stable strain (over 15-20 years,) but there are probably many more.

Then again, I may be all wrong and a BC2 strain is different than an F2 strain and what I call and F2 might be an S2. I didn't really get Mendel in high school and there has been a lot of advance in the science in the 200 years since Mendel put forward his theories.

 

[Blazinjones]

Self pollinating is when the female plant produces pollen, the pollen fertilizes the female flowers, and then the flowers produce seeds.

The ways I know of for a female plant to produce pollen are a) the mature female plant produces 'nanners, b) the flowering plant is both male and female (hermaphrodite), and c) a human applies colloidal silver or something to induce some of the buds to produce pollen.

If the pollen is male, the seeds can be male or female.
If the pollen is female, the seeds will be female.

Hermaphrodite pollen is male.
I THINK 'nanner pollen is also male. I don't know for sure.
Colloidal silver pollen is female.

- - -

Now the hard question ...



According to my reading ...
Backcrossing refers to taking the offspring of 2 parents (a cross/ an F1 hybrid) that has the desired traits and breeding it (back) with one of the parents to 'stabilize' the new strain. For backcrossing to produce a stable hybrid strain, multiple generations of crossing and back crossing need to occur, with the desired traits verified in each new generation, to produce a stable hybrid. This might be known as an In-Bred Line (IBL.) Lots of hybrid seeds being sold are not very stable as evidenced by multiple phenotypes in one hybrid strain. Unstable hybrids can be great because they have 'hybrid vigor' whereas in-breeding can produce weaker, but stable plants.

At the simplest level of breeding, crossing two parents to produce a couple of hundred seeds creates F1 Hybrids. Most F1 hybrids are a lot like the other F1 hybrids with the same parents. They are almost like clones of each other, and can be called a strain.

When F1s are bred together, from the same parents or different parents, they produce F2 hybrids, which tend to have distinct characteristics (as in they are all over the map in their behaviour.) These can give years of service as 'clone only' strains but the F2 group as a whole is unstable/unpredictable.

Most seeds sold are some kind of hybrid, so crossing to strains creates an F2 (or F3 or F4...) Backcrossing a homemade hybrid with good characteristic to the parents create more stable genetics.


Dark Devil Auto appears to be an F5 or F6 strain (with ruderalis on both sides.)
Red Poison is probably an F2 strain (with Ruderalis on one side.)

Backcrossing to Red Poison probably makes more sense than DDA.

If you want to create a clone only strain, breed the two and save the clones you like
If you want to create a stable strain from your favorite clone, learn all you can about breeding, because the project might take several years.
If you start with frankenstrains like DDA, I imagine it will take even longer.
If you start with true landrace strains or IBL, I imagine the time will be shorter.

I only know of one person on 420 that has created a fairly stable strain (over 15-20 years,) but there are probably many more.

Then again, I may be all wrong and a BC2 strain is different than an F2 strain and what I call and F2 might be an S2. I didn't really get Mendel in high school and there has been a lot of advance in the science in the 200 years since Mendel put forward his theories.

Holyshit man i guna hve to do sum research on what f2 f3 g4 all tht even means lol but yea what i wana do is get colloidal silver n spray down one of my red poisons n tht shud make seeds right? And they wud be regular seeds am i correct?

 

[NorCaliwood]

Drive by,,, Congrads on some chunky looking buddage.. Keepem Green

 

[Radogast]

Holyshit man i guna hve to do sum research on what f2 f3 g4 all tht even means lol but yea what i wana do is get colloidal silver n spray down one of my red poisons n tht shud make seeds right? And they wud be regular seeds am i correct?

Colloidal silver is used to make female pollen. Female pollen makes feminized seeds.

If you take the Female pollen and apply it to the same mother plant, you have created feminized seeds that should have traits much like the mother plant.

If you take the female pollen and apply it to a different female plant, you have created feminized seeds that may inherit the traits of the parent plants, or may express recessive traits not seen in either of the parents.

 

[Blazinjones]

Colloidal silver is used to make female pollen. Female pollen makes feminized seeds.

If you take the Female pollen and apply it to the same mother plant, you have created feminized seeds that should have traits much like the mother plant.

If you take the female pollen and apply it to a different female plant, you have created feminized seeds that may inherit the traits of the parent plants, or may express recessive traits not seen in either of the parents.

So what wud happen if i used colloidal silver on an auto fem plant wud it make auto fem seeds or a mix of photo fem seeds and auto fem seeds??

 

[Radogast]

So what wud happen if i used colloidal silver on an auto fem plant wud it make auto fem seeds or a mix of photo fem seeds and auto fem seeds??

Your Dark Devil Auto would almost certainly be auto since ruderalis was inserted 3 times in the genetic tree.

Your Red Poison Auto is less likely since it is (Hindu Kush x ruderalis) x Green Poison(a mostly indica.) with Ruderalis confirmed on only one side of the genetic tree, and assuming the autoflower gene gene is fairly dominant- She will be auto 1/2 to 3/4 of the time.

Also assuming I understand this stuff - it's all book knowledge - no hands on experience.

 

[Radogast]

I've got my veg light on 24/0 to help reveg Bubba's Gift. The girls are growing faster than under the usual 16/8. Faster is OK for now, but I prefer to veg slow so I can keep more strains going.

My last Hawaiian Skunk seed seems to have failed to pop after the seed split in water. The seed was fuzzy, so I washed it and popped it into soil before it developed a true tail. A replacement seed may be on it's way. 7 gallon fabric pots are on their way. Worm compost is on it's way. The big rush of outdoors, non-420 spring planting is (almost) over.

I need to take stock and order some Nutes from Doc Bud.

I missed doing indoor gardening yesterday, and had a Mother's Day graveyard visit followed by a long drive along the Mississippi to a winery with the wife for mother's day.

I moved Carnival into the flower area, watered 4 plants, and replaced the dehumidifier outside the veg and flower stalls this evening, but didn't get a chance to take pictures.

I'm second guessing myself and might move Canival back into veg in the morning. She looks bushy but is only 16" high with a 19x15" canopy. I'm thinking I should pull her out of flower and supercrop the canopy to make things a little bushier before she goes into flower.

 

[bobrown14]

Thrift stores are good for small, under $5 humidifiers. I see them a lot, especially near colleges this time of year (when the students move out for the summer.

I'm looking forward to your new exhaust fan.




I'm inclined to grow a plant untouched again, I like those big colas on the apical meristem.

Has anyone noticed a correlation between topping a plant and their stretch indoors during flowering? It would be a shame to set up to grow a nice cola on a 'christmas tree' and have to bend the apical meristem in the last few weeks.

Rad I've had good success topping in VEG @ 3rd node and that's it... still adds a week or so to the finish time.... I'm OK with that.. don't top at all anywhere after the 3rd or 4th node and ONLY on plants grown from seed.

Now clones are a whole different story. I've been trimming cutting back and topping several of my clones to keep then under control in VEG .... I'm in the middle of some mayhem with Chemdawg right now. Big monsters from clones and topped - trimmed - bush-hammered they go from 24-30" in VEG to 6' in flower.

The VEG time is long tho... as you know some clones take a while to get legs and get going....doesn't always line up with space in the flower room.

I would not top a plant in flower... just move lamps or bend her over and tie her to something... she will keep growing no problem, topping you will loose yields AND time. I've tried it, was warned not to do it... stubborn me did it anyway.

With the clones that are huge, they look a lot like outdoor plants. many many many colas... no main cola Christmas tree shape anymore. Probably good plants to scrog with to keep them under control.