Radogast 2 - Return of the Clones

Genetic mutation + potency loss = up to 25% difference. Compare a fourth gen clone to the seedling mother and you'll believe. Look it up! Agreed, peer reviewed science will be great.......you do it, I have precious little time. Check it out bro, my Aurora Ultra strain I made between 2000-2003, I'm still cloning the exact original mother plant that I made in 2003 and the only thing that's changed is the clones now all ways have tight staggered internodes instead of the straight across internodes with the little buds. The potency is exactly the same as the mother plant was, two hits and you HAVE TO LAY DOWN. So I also disagree. TOAST
 
Radogast, I was reading on page 105, where the guy says his clones got him higher then the mother, well that's because he took better care of the clones and probable didn't feed them the same nute's as the mother. If you grow them out side they will be different then the plants you grow indoors, and you will see a lot of difference in Tri-Comb development between 600 watt HPS's and 1000 watt HPS's. So any body can increase clone potency, if you know what your doing. How do you think they get the CLUB bud all dense and sparkly. TOAST
 
lembatoast said:
Check it out bro, my Aurora Ultra strain I made between 2000-2003, I'm still cloning the exact original mother plant that I made in 2003 and the only thing that's changed is the clones now all ways have tight staggered internodes instead of the straight across internodes with the little buds. The potency is exactly the same as the mother plant was, two hits and you HAVE TO LAY DOWN. So I also disagree. TOAST
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So are you saying you kept one Aurora Ultra mother alive since 2003, or is this mother a clone of ... a clone of ... ?

Either one is impressive, as is your grow. I do believe you have the largest, non-commercial grow on 420 mag. AND you know and understand your plants (even when you forget to check under the leaves for buds :) )


lembatoast said:
Radogast, I was reading on page 105, where the guy says his clones got him higher then the mother, well that's because he took better care of the clones and probable didn't feed them the same nute's as the mother. If you grow them out side they will be different then the plants you grow indoors, and you will see a lot of difference in Tri-Comb development between 600 watt HPS's and 1000 watt HPS's. So any body can increase clone potency, if you know what your doing. How do you think they get the CLUB bud all dense and sparkly. TOAST
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It sure does seem the buds are more potent when the plants reach their full potent-ial.

Under that 'frickn huge' light called the sun, have you noticed the larger plants being more potent? or do they just have more yield?
 
Well of course they are clones of clones. Every year I pick the healthiest clone or clones of the batch, ( you've seen the number of clones I take ) and turn them into mothers, and clone more for next time. But I'm still cloning that original plant from 12 years ago. And I'm telling you it hasn't lost any potency at all period, let alone 25%, that's bullshit. Now you want to talk the big light in the sky. While plants you grow Out side are a lot more healthy and more robust and are just easier to grow in general. I have found I get a hell of a lot more Trich's indoors when I use 2- 600 watt HPS's along with 10- 125 watt CFL's. Here's the PR on the hill a few minutes ago:
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now here's past indoor:
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you see the difference? That's partly due to strain but not as much as you would think. I had one better indoor photo but I couldn't find it. In regards to the out door yes you get more yield, the plants just get bigger out side. I'm sure the fact that I grow on a north facing hill has more to do with the amount of Trich's my plants produce then any other factor. I don't think the size of the plant has much to do with potency. It's got more to do with finding the right food for the right strain, not over watering, and light. Now I stop watering my plants a week to ten days before I harvest. Every one will tell you all that does is make the buds shrink and they do a little, but when the plant thinks is dieing it produces more resin to protect the top of the plant. Most every one say's that bullshit but I'm saying there wrong. Try it, pick a crumby plant, with in a month of harvest and stop watering it, whats going to happen is the fan leaves are going to go lemp, turn yellow, dry up and fall off, and the plant is going to send all resources to the buds to keep them alive, and what are the resources Water and resin. Sorry for the rant Brotha TOAST Some times I get a little aggravated with people telling me what Ive been doing for 45 years is wrong. Its not wrong its just different.
 
lembatoast said:
Well of course they are clones of clones. Every year I pick the healthiest clone or clones of the batch, ( you've seen the number of clones I take ) and turn them into mothers, and clone more for next time. But I'm still cloning that original plant from 12 years ago. And I'm telling you it hasn't lost any potency at all period, let alone 25%, that's bullshit. Now you want to talk the big light in the sky. While plants you grow Out side are a lot more healthy and more robust and are just easier to grow in general. I have found I get a hell of a lot more Trich's indoors when I use 2- 600 watt HPS's along with 10- 125 watt CFL's. Here's the PR on the hill a few minutes ago:
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now here's past indoor:
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indoor_grow_041_1_.jpg
you see the difference? That's partly due to strain but not as much as you would think. I had one better indoor photo but I couldn't find it. In regards to the out door yes you get more yield, the plants just get bigger out side. I'm sure the fact that I grow on a north facing hill has more to do with the amount of Trich's my plants produce then any other factor. I don't think the size of the plant has much to do with potency. It's got more to do with finding the right food for the right strain, not over watering, and light. Now I stop watering my plants a week to ten days before I harvest. Every one will tell you all that does is make the buds shrink and they do a little, but when the plant thinks is dieing it produces more resin to protect the top of the plant. Most every one say's that bullshit but I'm saying there wrong. Try it, pick a crumby plant, with in a month of harvest and stop watering it, whats going to happen is the fan leaves are going to go lemp, turn yellow, dry up and fall off, and the plant is going to send all resources to the buds to keep them alive, and what are the resources Water and resin. Sorry for the rant Brotha TOAST Some times I get a little aggravated with people telling me what Ive been doing for 45 years is wrong. Its not wrong its just different.
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Rant is totally OK

Photos of frosty goodness indoors - magnificent !
 
Lembatoast, that was a wonderful rant. If I've learned nothing in the past year it's that there are so many ways to grow this plant it's crazy. Your years of experience work for me. Thanks for the info on letting them go dry before harvest. It's one of those things that's been niggling in the back of my brain forever. We're shooting for better trichome production and that makes perfect sense. I have a lot of plants to play with. I'll pick one or two and see what happens. A week to 10 days ahead of harvest. Got it!

:Namaste:
 
Borderliner* Bowie - Harvest Day


When I looked at Bowie today, she had new pistils at different spots on her buds - starting to foxtail. Her trichomes were looking a little beat up and cloudy.
The Master Grower and Master Trimmer decided it was time to chop and trim.
This is what :420: sponsor AmsterdamMarijuanaSeeds . com has to say about this Brazilian strain

*NOTE: I have been saying this strain name wrong since I planted it on my birthday, one week before Hallowe'en/Samhain. And you know what? This last 10 months have been the most magical of my life :)

Good story for this herb.The proof is in the smoking
:rollit::party::ganjamon:


Borderliner Bowie: 9 weeks of flower

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Obligatory BIC lighter at harvest shot

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Trichome Shots

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Giselle Clone 1 immediately took her place in the pot (now in the garden room.)

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Trimming (one seed was found, 2 hash balls of scissor trim were saved )

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Washed and hung to dry

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Drip Dry Buds

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Congratulations my friend. Well done. :high-five: I love that harvest is a celebration in your home, as it should be. You deserve that all your years be magical Rad. Just saying. :battingeyelashes: :hugs:
 
The master trimmer :byebye: smoked two bowls :ganjamon: (a common dose) :lot-o-toke: of oven dried Borderliner Bowie popcorn with two scrapes off the scissor hash ball. :yummy:
(5 minutes later.) :bong:

"I'm high. I'm really high, high as F*k. .. No really (giggle.)" :ciao::rollit:

"(giggle)" I haven't been this high since I first ate brownies. :MoreNutes::nomo: I had two brownies and everyone else ate half a brownie and was high as fuck. I'm that high. I coughed."RoorRip:cough:

"Tastes fruity.. I'm really high (giggle.)" :surrender::hippy:
"I gotta go tell someone.":high-five::slide::slide::trance::blalol:
 
Congratulations on your harvest Radogast. :high-five:

That's great information Lem, what you call "rant" we call "teaching". :adore:
 
grimmreefer said:
Nice pull mang!!
Do you wash all of your harvest?
I've been thinking about it for all of 4 hrs. I found some inch worms in my latest outdoors. I'm wondering what else is hiding there.
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Yeah I wash every harvest, even the popcorn. Because I washed and hung by myself it takes 5 minutes per double handful, 8 handfuls so about 20 minutes. With two people washing in an assembly line it would take about 15 minutes. Either way adding 5 minutes to get the buckets, lemon juice, baking soda and water ready, about 1/2 an hour for a 2-4 oz plant.

Cost is 1/2 box of baking soda and 1/2 a 16 oz bottle of store brand concentrated lemon juice, about $3 for up to 10 oz of bud. I've never done more than 8 oz in a day so the water is clean enough and ths baking soda/lemon juice still has the essence of bubble action. Somewhere around 10-12 oz I would expect to need a full water change,
 
grimmreefer said:
Big trim night in MA. Finger hash for this guy tonight. My favorite part of trimming!!!so high :loopy:
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lembatoast said:
Well if the Borderliner is half as good as it say's in the link, we wont be talking to you for a while. So see ya when you get back. LMAO
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I believe very little of that story, but it's a good marketing story: the dead guy doesn't even have to confirm it or handle complaints :rofl: :rofl:

No finger hash or smoking tonight, I had a couple of hits of house blend during the trim, but I wake up for work in 3 hours - can't touch that.
Finger hash is tucked away in the grinder kief catcher until Friday night. I'm sure I'll be getting more early smoke reports before then :)
 
ClosedCircuit said:
I have yet to partake in this finger hash...but it sounds amazing :)
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Same here.....after trimming my fingers are totally gummed up with stuff and it's usually a carry on to wash it off and get rid of the smell.

How do you get the stuff off your fingers to render it smokable? Thanks :thanks:
 
Bapple said:
Same here.....after trimming my fingers are totally gummed up with stuff and it's usually a carry on to wash it off and get rid of the smell.

How do you get the stuff off your fingers to render it smokable? Thanks :thanks:
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the side of a razor blade or pair or scissors would probably do it. Then just scrape it into a bowl or whatever else you like.
 
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