Radogast 2 - Return of the Clones

Greenthumb J said:
You have a source of mycorrhizae in your tea right? cause a tea isn't a tea without added mycorrhizae. The molasses is to feed the microbes as they multiply. I also highly recommend adding aquashield to your tea, cause basically what you have done, is taken dirt, put it in a bucket with water and molasses. This is a recipe for anaerobic bacteria and disaster within your root zone as you are adding zero beneficial bacteria to root zone. you're just adding super soggy soil water to your containers.
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If my soil were sterilized dirt or pro-mix without mycorrhizae you would be correct.
This is a living, composted soil with colonies of mycorhizae.
They are, in fact, colonies of mycorrhizae that have grown up together in soil.

I am using the tea as an inoculate, to reintroduce bacteria, etc. to a soil food web stressed by pesticides.

A bucket of water without air is a recipe for anaerobic bacteria.
Bacteria grown in the presence of air is, by definition, aerobic.
 
Greenthumb J said:
You have a source of mycorrhizae in your tea right? cause a tea isn't a tea without added mycorrhizae. The molasses is to feed the microbes as they multiply. I also highly recommend adding aquashield to your tea, cause basically what you have done, is taken dirt, put it in a bucket with water and molasses. This is a recipe for anaerobic bacteria and disaster within your root zone as you are adding zero beneficial bacteria to root zone. you're just adding super soggy soil water to your containers.
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I call bullshit!
"A tea isn't a tea without myco". This is horribly bad information. "Bubbling soil and molasses is bad for the root zone, causes anaerobic bacteria". Equally bad information. It's really sad to see you going around perpetuating myths and flat out ignorance. "You are adding zero beneficial bacteria to your root zone". Absolute bullshit as well. Please go do some reading on what a compost tea is, greenthumbJ, you sharing your misinformed opinions isn't helping anybody.
 
Copied from microbeorganics.
"There are also other types of fungi which do not grow (to my knowledge) in compost or Compost Tea which form a direct symbiotic nutrient exchange relationship with roots. This sort of fungi is called mycorrhizal fungi and there are many different species. The major microorganisms at work in Compost Tea are bacteria, protozoa (flagellates, ciliates and amoebae) and fungal hyphae if present in your compost."
 
Copied from microbe organics.
"Through a plethora of trial and error brewing with a dissolved oxygen meter at hand we determined that a pretty reliable volume of [vermi]compost to use is 2.38% by volume of water used up to around a 250 gallon brewer.

So if you have 5 gallons you multiply that by 2.38% to get the amount of [vermi]compost to use. Then you can go to; Online Conversion - Volume Conversion and convert it into any unit of measure which is convenient. In my opinion measuring [vermi]compost by weight is inaccurate because of varying moisture content.

Anyway to proceed we have;

5 x 2.38% = 0.119 of a gallon = 0.476 of a quart = 0.450 of a liter
= 450.5 milliliters [450 rounded] = 1.904 cups [2 cups rounded] - Your choice

Likewise with the use of black strap molasses, a percentage of 0.50% is a good median amount to use.

These two ingredients, perhaps surprisingly, comprise the total of inputs in most of our brews these days. This simple recipe, if using an efficient ACT maker and good quality [vermi]compost results in a microbial population made up of the important three groups. This is the only recipe used to date, in all the videos on my Youtube channel ‘Microbe Organics’

To get these three groups the ACT maker should be run for 36 to 42 hours. The ideal temperature range is 65 to 72 Fahrenheit (18 to 22 Celsius), however a little cooler or warmer is okay. I’ve had pretty equivalent results with ambient temperatures around 100 F (38 C) and as cool as 50 F (10 C)."

I don't see any myco additions above. In fact, the myco product your using, greenthumbJ, is loaded with tricoderma, (a parasitic fungi) which can be grown in an aerobic tea brewing environment. Tricoderma EATS the good endo myco growers are after. So how's that working out for you?

Credit to Tim Wilson for the quoted material.
 
COorganics said:
I call bullshit!
"A tea isn't a tea without myco". This is horribly bad information. "Bubbling soil and molasses is bad for the root zone, causes anaerobic bacteria". Equally bad information. It's really sad to see you going around perpetuating myths and flat out ignorance. "You are adding zero beneficial bacteria to your root zone". Absolute bullshit as well. Please go do some reading on what a compost tea is, greenthumbJ, you sharing your misinformed opinions isn't helping anybody.
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Gentle COorganics.
GreenThumbJ is a top feed hydro grower with some education in Heisenberg tea, such is where the aquashield comes in.

The problems with hydro, in my opinion, is you can't get a real sustainable ecosystem going. Deep water hydro has an ecosystem, but without the buffering of soil the system is reportedly prone to "crashing."

If I were brewing a tea for a one time feeding of plants, adding myco.. and nutrients to tea makes sense.

Brewing tea for soil is more like raising sourdough starter. You want your colony to grow big quickly and then take up a new job in the new environment.

Brewing tea for hydro is a brew and use process where the tea gets mostly consumed upon use.
 
Greenthumb J said:
It also looks like you are using soil thats too "hot" for seedlings. May i suggest starting plants in rockwool? You will most likely eliminate your yellowing leaves and ridiculously slow growth rates by using rockwool
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I started hundreds of seeds directly in soil made by the same guy, a local rasta man, and the same recipe, last winter.

I had healthy plants and seedlings until I tried multiple methods to kill gnats. The cures were worse than the disease.

I agree the Dr. Earth based soil was too hot, but that's not the real problem, my clones were thriving in it. I'm done using it.

At this point, I'm pretty damn sure that these poor plants have been mostly damaged by over watering,
However, the biocides, Bacillus Thurengensis Israeliensis, and Diotamaceous Earth have also done a number on my bennys.
 
COorganics said:
Is a nutrient solution for hydroponics now referred to as tea?
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TheCapn brewed heisenberg tea in addition to regular nutrient changes in his hydro grows.
I'm sure some other hydro growers use the Heisenberg Tea recipe.

Imo - adding plant nutrients and minerals makes it sort of a hybrid between a compost tea and a liquid fertilizer.
 
Still waiting for the soil to dry out and start feeding the plants.

Posting just enough to let you know they aren't dead.

Before

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Still not thriving - sliding downhill

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Virtually no change.

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its hard to like that but thanks for sharing Rado :S hope things turn around soon, who knows, maybe a holiday miracle is in the works for your plants haha. :peace:
 
Rado,
You should start over with compost+yard dirt+perlite or something local/cheap/natural. There is some kind of demon in your soil. Those clones won't die or live. What the hell is going on with them?

Positive vibes!!! Start over??... maybe run that soil through an outdoor project for a while?
 
:laughtwo: demon... right lol? I kinda didn't want to say it like that, but yeah Rado maybe its time for an exorcism. I have a feeling just about any soil beats that soil at this point.
 
i would say to cut them and reclone them but i feel they dont have enough nitrogen in them to survive the re cloning.

best of luck to whatever you decided to do. can you obtain seeds where you live?

I&i
 
Merry Christmas Rado! Haha nice bowl holder there! :Love:

- not bowel holder. :rofl: bowl holder. :)
 
Merry Christmas, Yule and New Year's to all.

I decided to ex(or)cise the non-productive soil.

I transplanted the 2 month old seedlings to local crafted soil.
Borderline came out bare root.
AK47 and Northern Lights hung onto small clumps of soil.

It's amazing these seedlings have been struggling for 2 months now!


Borderline

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AK47

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Northern Lights

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The transplanted seedlings. May they be happy and grow!

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