PP Bagseed Outdoor Grow Journal - 2018

Yeah I just spent the whole of yday and today reading up on it and on this site as well. Surprisingly other people have made the same switch as me. Yeah that's what I thought but it's an online shop and 1 of the 2 biggest hydroponics retailers in South Africa. If not the biggest. They guy I chatted to used the same promix and same pots. He gave one nutrient for grow and one for flowering. I'm gonna let it dry for the day then water, im gonna water once or twice a day depending on weight of the pot. I gave them a small dose of the homemade calmag, about 3 litre between the 6 plants but bigger plants got more than the smaller plants. Il check in the morning and see the weight of the pots, if its light then il water with nutes, still low dosage, will up to normal dosage in 2 weeks. Or should I go full 7mls in every 10 liters or what I'm doing and put 2.5mls in 10 liters. I was thinking maybe going to like 4.5mls.

I value your opinion and other recognized members on this site as the most important.
 
what makes you think that you should not use full dosage right now? did you decide that on your own or did the plants tell you that this was what they wanted? Because of their yellowing I would say the clear indication is that they need more than they are getting. Use normal dosage, every time... or you will stunt your plants. All they get now is what you give them, but they will adapt to whatever that is. If you want bold plants, you need to be bold. If the plants don't like it, they will tell you, but don't be shy... you are committed now and your plants are counting on you.
 
Well the bottle recommended that I use 2,5mls for week 1 and week 2 of growth. So mine is way past that but I felt i didnt want to overdo it, i rather under do it and then add to it instead of adding too much then having to flush. Ok so you say I should go full 7mls,then that's what I'm going to do! Thank you so much.
 
@Potplant check out my grow journal if you intend to do a hydro grow for your next grow. I'm doing 1 autopot vs 1 fabric pot for comparison & I'm seriously considering switching over completely once this grow is completed, just because once it's setup it's so easy to maintain. I don't have to water/feed all my plants by hand & there's no worry that they're dying in the heat on hot days like today.

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Thanks Jimmy, I had a look, commented and subbed!

It rained again last night so I had to empty the trays so I don't get bugs and root rot! This time tho it sat there for the whole night cos it only started around 1am and stopped not long after.

On another note, all my other seedlings in normal soil has taken off very well. I'm wondering if I can keep them in small pots? 2 of them already showing roots at the bottom so needs to be transplanted, but I want to know, what will happen if I leave them in the small pots? Is there a way to keep them there?
 
Thanks Jimmy, I had a look, commented and subbed!

It rained again last night so I had to empty the trays so I don't get bugs and root rot! This time tho it sat there for the whole night cos it only started around 1am and stopped not long after.

On another note, all my other seedlings in normal soil has taken off very well. I'm wondering if I can keep them in small pots? 2 of them already showing roots at the bottom so needs to be transplanted, but I want to know, what will happen if I leave them in the small pots? Is there a way to keep them there?
If you leave them in small pots, they'll get root bound, stay small, flower a bit earlier but also need more frequent watering. And they'll also be more prone to get blown over by any strong wind. I used 17.5cm square pots for my first grow & they grew well, but needed extra attention, I watered then twice a day. It was a budget grow, so I couldn't switch till they re-vegged.
 
Hi mate, I thought id have a look at whats going on after you posted in my coco thread.

Ok, I will help you get through this grow and if you do exactly as I say you will have success for sure. But I will give it the simple as poss route. Coco although hydro isn't the demon people think, infact its incredibly simple to use providing you feed everyday with nutrients and have your ph adjusted. A digital ph pen is a must for growing in coco, its a one of payment and a great investment.

Im not sure what feeds you have access to so im going to give you rules to follow and if you follow them you will have great plants. the beauty of growing in coco is shitty plants can become amazing in a very short amount of time, however the opposite is true also if you don't follow the rules.

Also I strongly recommend buying and EC/PPM meter as this will make mixing nutes far easier as bottles instructions can not be relied in from experience.

I am an expert coco grower and have grown many thousands of plants in this medium so theres not much I haven't seen, ive probs grown 20-30k plants this way, shit thats a lot! just thinking about it is giving me a head ache lol.

There is scope to adjust up or down in the directions im about to give but if you just follow it you will def get a result, its up to you to then fine tune it next time.

I can't understand the logic of 10% perlite in the coco, there is absolutely no need for this and it makes it a worse medium in my opinion. you can not over water coco so I don't understand the adding of perlite.

Ok. So first thing you want to do is start feeding nutes every day, twice a day is better because you have the perlite in the mix, without the perlite once would have been fine. However the plants will definitely respond better to multiple feedings in this media.

DO NOT allow the coco to dry out!! Its one of the biggest errors people new to coco do, especially when transitioning from soil. It will burn the roots and cause plants to lock up.

I would feed my base nutrient at 1.5ec/750ppm and add a rot stimulator. set ph at 5.8. its impossible for me to guess what ml per litre based on the nutes you are using as ive never used them. If you are going off the bottle give them 3/4 strength for a week and see how the plants respond, if they are greening up and taking off its good, if its still slow growth try full strength. Also its a good idea to add calmag to coco grows if you can get it, add that before your base nutrient and all you need is 0.1-0.2ec/50-100ppms.

When you transition to flower set your base nutrient to 1.6-1.8ec/800-900ppm and then add any pk or boosts you may use. make sure the total ec value does not exceed 2.2ec/1100ppm. and set ph at 6.0.

Its that simple. f you follow that and feed everyday you will get good strong plants. There are things to do that make better plants but stick with the absolute basics for now.

Ignore advice given by someone stood behind the counter of a grow shop, their Botton line is profit and the amount of bad information ive heard in grow shops is shocking. Too many people have opinions and give advice when it comes to growing without even having tried or tested the method. The best advice I can give you when searching for good sources of info is to just ask what they have grown and how? If someone says 'I grow in soil BUT', then they aren't the person to ask about a coco grow. Just make sure the people giving you advice know what they are talking about.

Anyway hope this helps.

Goodluck.
 
Hi mate, I thought id have a look at whats going on after you posted in my coco thread.

Ok, I will help you get through this grow and if you do exactly as I say you will have success for sure. But I will give it the simple as poss route. Coco although hydro isn't the demon people think, infact its incredibly simple to use providing you feed everyday with nutrients and have your ph adjusted. A digital ph pen is a must for growing in coco, its a one of payment and a great investment.

Im not sure what feeds you have access to so im going to give you rules to follow and if you follow them you will have great plants. the beauty of growing in coco is shitty plants can become amazing in a very short amount of time, however the opposite is true also if you don't follow the rules.

Also I strongly recommend buying and EC/PPM meter as this will make mixing nutes far easier as bottles instructions can not be relied in from experience.

I am an expert coco grower and have grown many thousands of plants in this medium so theres not much I haven't seen, ive probs grown 20-30k plants this way, shit thats a lot! just thinking about it is giving me a head ache lol.

There is scope to adjust up or down in the directions im about to give but if you just follow it you will def get a result, its up to you to then fine tune it next time.

I can't understand the logic of 10% perlite in the coco, there is absolutely no need for this and it makes it a worse medium in my opinion. you can not over water coco so I don't understand the adding of perlite.

Ok. So first thing you want to do is start feeding nutes every day, twice a day is better because you have the perlite in the mix, without the perlite once would have been fine. However the plants will definitely respond better to multiple feedings in this media.

DO NOT allow the coco to dry out!! Its one of the biggest errors people new to coco do, especially when transitioning from soil. It will burn the roots and cause plants to lock up.

I would feed my base nutrient at 1.5ec/750ppm and add a rot stimulator. set ph at 5.8. its impossible for me to guess what ml per litre based on the nutes you are using as ive never used them. If you are going off the bottle give them 3/4 strength for a week and see how the plants respond, if they are greening up and taking off its good, if its still slow growth try full strength. Also its a good idea to add calmag to coco grows if you can get it, add that before your base nutrient and all you need is 0.1-0.2ec/50-100ppms.

When you transition to flower set your base nutrient to 1.6-1.8ec/800-900ppm and then add any pk or boosts you may use. make sure the total ec value does not exceed 2.2ec/1100ppm. and set ph at 6.0.

Its that simple. f you follow that and feed everyday you will get good strong plants. There are things to do that make better plants but stick with the absolute basics for now.

Ignore advice given by someone stood behind the counter of a grow shop, their Botton line is profit and the amount of bad information ive heard in grow shops is shocking. Too many people have opinions and give advice when it comes to growing without even having tried or tested the method. The best advice I can give you when searching for good sources of info is to just ask what they have grown and how? If someone says 'I grow in soil BUT', then they aren't the person to ask about a coco grow. Just make sure the people giving you advice know what they are talking about.

Anyway hope this helps.

Goodluck.
That definitely helps me out. Wasn't sure of the ppm I'd need in flower. Basically been eyeballing the measures & my tds & PH meter literally just arrived. :D
 
If you leave them in small pots, they'll get root bound, stay small, flower a bit earlier but also need more frequent watering. And they'll also be more prone to get blown over by any strong wind. I used 17.5cm square pots for my first grow & they grew well, but needed extra attention, I watered then twice a day. It was a budget grow, so I couldn't switch till they re-vegged.

Awesome, ok so these are slightly smaller pots. However i want to see what i can yield from them and if by them getting root bound will it affect the plant that i wont be able to harvest or will it be ok?
 
Awesome, ok so these are slightly smaller pots. However i want to see what i can yield from them and if by them getting root bound will it affect the plant that i wont be able to harvest or will it be ok?
This pic should answer your question. :) Bagseed in a 17.5cm square pot. The bricks stop it from blowing over. The plant is about waist height & flowering nicely. It went from a 1l milk carton to the pot. It won't yield close to my other plants, but it will yield quite a bit.
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Hi mate, I thought id have a look at whats going on after you posted in my coco thread.

Ok, I will help you get through this grow and if you do exactly as I say you will have success for sure. But I will give it the simple as poss route. Coco although hydro isn't the demon people think, infact its incredibly simple to use providing you feed everyday with nutrients and have your ph adjusted. A digital ph pen is a must for growing in coco, its a one of payment and a great investment.

Im not sure what feeds you have access to so im going to give you rules to follow and if you follow them you will have great plants. the beauty of growing in coco is shitty plants can become amazing in a very short amount of time, however the opposite is true also if you don't follow the rules.

Also I strongly recommend buying and EC/PPM meter as this will make mixing nutes far easier as bottles instructions can not be relied in from experience.

I am an expert coco grower and have grown many thousands of plants in this medium so theres not much I haven't seen, ive probs grown 20-30k plants this way, shit thats a lot! just thinking about it is giving me a head ache lol.

There is scope to adjust up or down in the directions im about to give but if you just follow it you will def get a result, its up to you to then fine tune it next time.

I can't understand the logic of 10% perlite in the coco, there is absolutely no need for this and it makes it a worse medium in my opinion. you can not over water coco so I don't understand the adding of perlite.

Ok. So first thing you want to do is start feeding nutes every day, twice a day is better because you have the perlite in the mix, without the perlite once would have been fine. However the plants will definitely respond better to multiple feedings in this media.

DO NOT allow the coco to dry out!! Its one of the biggest errors people new to coco do, especially when transitioning from soil. It will burn the roots and cause plants to lock up.

I would feed my base nutrient at 1.5ec/750ppm and add a rot stimulator. set ph at 5.8. its impossible for me to guess what ml per litre based on the nutes you are using as ive never used them. If you are going off the bottle give them 3/4 strength for a week and see how the plants respond, if they are greening up and taking off its good, if its still slow growth try full strength. Also its a good idea to add calmag to coco grows if you can get it, add that before your base nutrient and all you need is 0.1-0.2ec/50-100ppms.

When you transition to flower set your base nutrient to 1.6-1.8ec/800-900ppm and then add any pk or boosts you may use. make sure the total ec value does not exceed 2.2ec/1100ppm. and set ph at 6.0.

Its that simple. f you follow that and feed everyday you will get good strong plants. There are things to do that make better plants but stick with the absolute basics for now.

Ignore advice given by someone stood behind the counter of a grow shop, their Botton line is profit and the amount of bad information ive heard in grow shops is shocking. Too many people have opinions and give advice when it comes to growing without even having tried or tested the method. The best advice I can give you when searching for good sources of info is to just ask what they have grown and how? If someone says 'I grow in soil BUT', then they aren't the person to ask about a coco grow. Just make sure the people giving you advice know what they are talking about.

Anyway hope this helps.

Goodluck.

Thanks so much for that bud!

OK so I need a proper pH meter and tds meter?

These are the descriptions of the two I found online:
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I posted a pic of the nutrients information earlier on the thread and is in my gallery. I was giving them 2,5mls for first 2 weeks as suggested on bottle and normal strength is 7ml per 10litres. So for yday feed i just gave them full strength.

What will you suggest will be the minimum and maximum amount of water I should be putting into these plants.

I won't lie all the ec talk is foreign to me until I get the tds meter, I need a good clean reservoir now I guess. But I'd like to fill for 2 or 3 feeds at a time so that's why I'm guessing how many litre il need per plant.

I think I need to find that root stimulator. I have homemade calmag, how often should I add that? Can I add it to my normal nutrient water?
 
This pic should answer your question. :) Bagseed in a 17.5cm square pot. The bricks stop it from blowing over. The plant is about waist height & flowering nicely. It went from a 1l milk carton to the pot. It won't yield close to my other plants, but it will yield quite a bit.
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I'm sure it got root bound?! No issues?

That looks pretty awesome tbh, I won't mind the small pots growing something like this, considering that flowering time should be in a month or so.
 
ec is just another name for tds, I use ec because its the main reading in Europe. how much feed? well how much can they take? water until its wet, just don't let it completely dry out is the key. it can be dryish just not bone dry if that makes sense. If you can get a bluely truncheon for measuring EC you won't go wrong and it will last forever. I wouldn't use home made calmag, id use specific for coco nutes. you add the calmag to your nutrient mix.
 
I'm sure it got root bound?! No issues?

That looks pretty awesome tbh, I won't mind the small pots growing something like this, considering that flowering time should be in a month or so.
Lol. It's most definitely root bound. As long as it gets enough nutrients, it'll continue to flower till harvest & shouldn't get much bigger than this
 
ec is just another name for tds, I use ec because its the main reading in Europe. how much feed? well how much can they take? water until its wet, just don't let it completely dry out is the key. it can be dryish just not bone dry if that makes sense. If you can get a bluely truncheon for measuring EC you won't go wrong and it will last forever. I wouldn't use home made calmag, id use specific for coco nutes. you add the calmag to your nutrient mix.
That bluelab truncheon is R2500 here. Way out of my price range. :( maybe next grow
 
Ok so i have been watering twice a day with nutes, however don't I need a flush if I had let them dry out for 2 days? Cos I still got some yellowing and tips are yellowing, but that's not all the plants which is weird. For the first few feedings I just dumped 1.5litres of nutes over the top so it can cover the whole surface area. Seemed excessive as alot of runoff came out. My runoff was really brown and now its just like a tea colour.

The 6 plant which was like dead is now showing awesome growth! Plant 5 I started noticing something different with the way the new growth was forming, almost like its flowering?! Noticed it on plant 2 as well.

So here's the pic from 1 to 6:

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My friend, I think you owe yourself a big pat on the back....:bravo:
:high-five: and a big thanks to the folk who have guided you, cause from day 1 till now you've done well and the girls are responding in a happy way...:Namaste:

Thanks man, i just hope it works out!
 
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