PP Bagseed Outdoor Grow Journal - 2018

Emilya said:
yep, just filter it and use about a tablespoon per gallon as you water. Read the last paragraph on my signature lines to see my opinion of nutes. Only now I would even start considering using nutes, and then only on your most robust plants.
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Is there any special method to filtering? Can I use like a cloth? How often should I use this supplement? I really should make more now cos I really didn't make alot.

OK so nutes for two big plants only.
 
Ok so I tied down 4 and 5. Plant 5 actually looks the most decent and similar to what I see in the YouTube videos etc. But after tieing them up they look much better.

Here's a pic of plant 4:
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Here's two pics of plant 5:
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Potplant said:
Is there any special method to filtering? Can I use like a cloth? How often should I use this supplement? I really should make more now cos I really didn't make alot.

OK so nutes for two big plants only.
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i just poured it off as best I could not worrying about a few particles. I shake it up real good before using it anyway. And on those more robust plants, if you start noticing yellowing on the bottom leaves, apply some nutes... but without a clear reason to do so, I would not add anything at this point... let the soil do its job.
 
Emilya said:
i just poured it off as best I could not worrying about a few particles. I shake it up real good before using it anyway. And on those more robust plants, if you start noticing yellowing on the bottom leaves, apply some nutes... but without a clear reason to do so, I would not add anything at this point... let the soil do its job.
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OK so as it stands, I'm just gonna water with proper pH water. No nutes until I see yellowing on the leaves, got it. Thank you, you simplify it for me so well its much better to understand.

Don't forget it's promix. After 2 uses if i add it to the soil that i had in here, won't it make that soil more breathable cos of the perlite?

Now with regards to trays and runoff, I need advice. This is the first time using trays under the pot. I read that the pot shouldn't stand in any runoff water. So how soon after watering do I empty it out, i see runoff immediately and after emptying it out when I'm done there is still runoff coming into the tray slowly but surely. Can I keep it in the runoff until next watering? It looks like I'm ight need to water three times a day or should I just water more and water twice or once?
 
Potplant said:
OK so as it stands, I'm just gonna water with proper pH water. No nutes until I see yellowing on the leaves, got it. Thank you, you simplify it for me so well its much better to understand.

Don't forget it's promix. After 2 uses if i add it to the soil that i had in here, won't it make that soil more breathable cos of the perlite?

Now with regards to trays and runoff, I need advice. This is the first time using trays under the pot. I read that the pot shouldn't stand in any runoff water. So how soon after watering do I empty it out, i see runoff immediately and after emptying it out when I'm done there is still runoff coming into the tray slowly but surely. Can I keep it in the runoff until next watering? It looks like I'm ight need to water three times a day or should I just water more and water twice or once?
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Promix will break down after the first run and I would not recommend reusing it in a subsequent grow. If you want permanent reusable soil you are going to have to investigate living organic soils.
You still are not watering correctly. You should never try to guess how much water is needed. Simply water to runoff EVERY TIME. If you are watering before the soil dries out all the way to the bottom, you are not growing new roots. I fail to see why you think you must water several times a day at this point... your plants can not possibly be using all that water. If you can be patient, and wait for them to actually dry out, and then water to runoff every time, you will notice that they need more water each cycle.
Also, if you are experiencing a large amount of runoff, again you are not doing it correctly. If you are watering slowly enough for the soil to absorb the maximum amount of water, you will not see runoff until right at the very end.... and when it starts to trickle out of the bottom you simply stop watering. The amount of runoff in the trays should always be negligible and in most cases in a half hour or so will be sucked back into the soil as the plants uptake some of the water you just gave them.
 
Morning my friend, I'm afraid I don't have access to promix I made a simple mix of-

50% compost similar to your original bag
30% worm poo
20% perlite

And that's served me well so far, what I do is mix all together in pot give a light watering so the soil settles and mix does its thing for a cpl hours in the shade ready for transplant I water when and as needed according 2 weight/dry weight of pots. Might start today or tomorrow with wet/dry watering as just waiting on 1 girl befor I water..

my big girl get 2litres when needed
My smaller OG Kush gets a litre
My soil clone just misting
my 4 DP seedlings 3rd set leaves have only had 2 200ml waterings, 1st watering I added 1.25ml nitrosol per200ml each got 50ml and suffered clawing and slight burn. I left them to get totally dry 3 days total and flushed each with 50ml bubbled water yesterday, just giving mistings plain water now till she's dry again.
Haze2.0 auto is 6 days old, 25cm pot and same soil method as above, but due to not weighing wet weight, I'm just misting for now with plain water and will only start feeding with bubbled water when she's ready, from that point will only feed bubbled water till she says otherwise..

Nutes I'm using is nitrosol, seagro really. I do have bio Bizz but saving that for another grow and Hazey to see if I can maximize growth and harvest as I saw my boets 2 haE autos, quite interesting and unique growth and quirkiness to be honest, he a wire frame lst, I'll put up pics I took yesterday now now..

Something you might want to try but please refer to Emilya ( +reps ) about using a banana sugar fermentation as a source of natural potassium for flowering stages of your girls life cycle, I have a 5lt jug of tap water with bout ten banana skins steeping in the fridge but haven't gotten round to asking Emilya about it/ or has she a thread related info on such. I've got too many sideline projects going like the eggshell calmag from Emilya sitting in a tub of water rinsed and dried just haven't got there yet.....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

So I share your trials and tribulations my friend, I hope you get it all dialed in, I'm dealing with a very stocky dwarf ish stretching structure on my OG that's got me flummoxed after I take clones, do I top or let grow and clone, but your space determines your limits so I might flower after I've got 8!clones to continue with. And get some bud sooner than than the clones.... Too many possibilities my friend, I'm fluxaliciously flummoxed while flummoxing myself over what to do....:smokin2::passitleft::hugs::hugs:
 
Emilya said:
Promix will break down after the first run and I would not recommend reusing it in a subsequent grow. If you want permanent reusable soil you are going to have to investigate living organic soils.
You still are not watering correctly. You should never try to guess how much water is needed. Simply water to runoff EVERY TIME. If you are watering before the soil dries out all the way to the bottom, you are not growing new roots. I fail to see why you think you must water several times a day at this point... your plants can not possibly be using all that water. If you can be patient, and wait for them to actually dry out, and then water to runoff every time, you will notice that they need more water each cycle.
Also, if you are experiencing a large amount of runoff, again you are not doing it correctly. If you are watering slowly enough for the soil to absorb the maximum amount of water, you will not see runoff until right at the very end.... and when it starts to trickle out of the bottom you simply stop watering. The amount of runoff in the trays should always be negligible and in most cases in a half hour or so will be sucked back into the soil as the plants uptake some of the water you just gave them.
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Yeah you right, so I left it from yesterday and this morning I checked up just before it starts to get direct sunlight and the soil was still moist, only now after 2 hours or so of direct sunlight did it dry up but I'm sure it's not all used up, so in gonna leave it and check up on them in the evening.

Filtered the calcium supplement and got it stored in the cupboard.

Thank you so much again Emilya. I can't thank you enough.
 
Ok so i topped plant 1 again, the main stem I had fimmed it so I had to top it cos it was still longer than the others. I left all the leave only one or two came off when I gently tugged them, they were yellow.

Here's pics of the plants :

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if you had been watering properly I would say the yellow was due to lack of nutes... but since you have been keeping the lower roots wet, I think the yellow indicates the beginnings of root rot. Please let them dry out all the way to the bottom before watering. Water properly for a couple of wet/dry cycles, and then lets see where we stand with the yellowing. Nothing with these plants has to be done right now, in fast human time. Let them chill out for a bit and let's see what is happening.
 
Emilya said:
if you had been watering properly I would say the yellow was due to lack of nutes... but since you have been keeping the lower roots wet, I think the yellow indicates the beginnings of root rot. Please let them dry out all the way to the bottom before watering. Water properly for a couple of wet/dry cycles, and then lets see where we stand with the yellowing. Nothing with these plants has to be done right now, in fast human time. Let them chill out for a bit and let's see what is happening.
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OK perfect, thank you! Those yellow leaves I thought was from earlier on with the pH lockout. But I am going to leave them now to dry up properly.
 
Ok quick update, I haven't watered the plants yet. I watered last on the morning of the 4th. The night of the 4th it rained a but, on the 5th and 6th no rain and onn the 7th night it rained,alot. I was going to 2ater on the morning of the 7th but said I'll leave it dry little longer and then I saw it was gonna rain so I left it. Today on the 8th I went to check in them and to empty the trays. I noticed some yellowing on the older leaves and bottom leaves,I don't know if this is from over watering, some of the lost roots from transplant or lack of nutes. I'm gonna leave them to dry out again and will keep them undercover if it does rain today or 2mrw.

Here are some pics:

Plant 1:

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Plant 2:

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Plant 3:

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Plant 4:

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Plant 5:

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Plant 6:

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Can you see the new growth in plant 6??

I do see some growth on all though, so I'm wondering what's with the yellowing. Should I use nutes in my next feeding,hopefully in a day or 2.
 
Its just an old leaf. :) leaves yellow naturally & fall off as the plant gets rid of toxins. And it's always the older lower leaves. If younger leaves show burnt tips or weird discoloration, I'd be worried.

I always give a weak nutrient solution after rain. It helps to replace what got flushed out.

Your plants look really good. I'm glad to see how they've recovered in such a short time. Keep up the good work bud. :D
 
if you oxygenate your water so the roots don't drown, you can get away with this, if you are running pure coco. You have a mixture of soil, clay and coco. Your method is working well, and you went from dying and very sick plants to what you see today. Going pure coco will change everything and will require more care and much more accurate adjustment of nutrients and pH. In your mix, if you attempt to keep your medium wet your plants are not going to like it. You have been making great progress with the lift method... why change now? Also, keep firmly in mind that the feed schedule above treats the situation as if it were a hydro grow, not soil. Coco is an artificial grow medium and without supplying oxygen infused nutrients every watering your plants will die. In a pure hydro/coco grow, pH is extremely critical and you will have no buffer to protect you from yourself in the soil. My strong advice to you is to complete this grow and figure out what the plants look like through all stages as well as what they look like when they are struggling. After this grow, if you then want to try a hydro grow, go for it. Pure coco, nutrients, an accurate pH meter, and accurate TDS meter and a fish tank air pump and stone to provide oxygen, and you will be ready for your new adventure.
 
Emilya said:
if you oxygenate your water so the roots don't drown, you can get away with this, if you are running pure coco. You have a mixture of soil, clay and coco. Your method is working well, and you went from dying and very sick plants to what you see today. Going pure coco will change everything and will require more care and much more accurate adjustment of nutrients and pH. In your mix, if you attempt to keep your medium wet your plants are not going to like it. You have been making great progress with the lift method... why change now? Also, keep firmly in mind that the feed schedule above treats the situation as if it were a hydro grow, not soil. Coco is an artificial grow medium and without supplying oxygen infused nutrients every watering your plants will die. In a pure hydro/coco grow, pH is extremely critical and you will have no buffer to protect you from yourself in the soil. My strong advice to you is to complete this grow and figure out what the plants look like through all stages as well as what they look like when they are struggling. After this grow, if you then want to try a hydro grow, go for it. Pure coco, nutrients, an accurate pH meter, and accurate TDS meter and a fish tank air pump and stone to provide oxygen, and you will be ready for your new adventure.
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Well I guess that's where the confusion is, it's pure coco. 90%coc and 10% perlite. There's no soil and clay. Or sand. I made sure I removed all soil and from the roots too when I was transplanting thats how the roots got damaged. So if it's coco I should be treating way differently isn't it? I noticed the yellowing etc after letting it dry out. When I transplanted and was watering everyday it was looking healthy.
 
oh.... well you have gone way off book then in a valiant effort to try everything in your first grow. No wonder they are yellowing. There are ZERO nutrients in coco and your plants will starve unless you add nutrients in the water. So now you have a totally synthetic grow going, nothing at all natural about it. Also, your pH range has now changed as well as the type of nutrients that are needed. You are now forced to use hydroponic nutrients that are designed to break apart at a much more acidic level. You absolutely must find a way to accurately measure your pH to 6.1, which as I recall is the perfect pH to use for coco. You can get by without a TDS/PPM meter if you carefully follow the directions on these products. You must now give nutrients with every watering.

Here is where you can make a decision. You can decide to water twice a day, striving to always keep the medium wet, or you let the medium dry out each time as we were doing with soil. Either method works with coco, but if you decide to go full hydroponic and keep the medium wet, you have a special problem to solve, and that is where the air pump comes in. Roots need to get oxygen. You can either get it to them by allowing air to be sucked down into the coco by allowing the plant to suck the liquid dry, or you can add the oxygen to the liquid with the air pump. Either method works, and some would say you get superior growth by allowing the plants to be in a nutrient rich solution full time.
 
That's why I was so confused, the guy at the store advised I should water upto 2 times a day depending on the plant, i got the nutrients that he said I will need and I initially gave them that watering, after that I watered with normal pH water then again nuts then I left it. Yeah a pH between 5.5 and 6.1 is bet for coco so my water pH is about 5.8. I used nutes earlier when I watered it. Hopefully they will recover nicely.

Yeah it was the best medium at the store and the soil they had was gonna work out to too much work and I had to buy perlite for it. So I decided to go coco and perlite as I got someone to invest and it seemed like the best solution for me considering how I love to water my plants lol.
 
yep, probably so... you do like to putter. A full hydro grow will keep you hopping to be sure. You will find that 5.8 will work fine right now with nitrogen being your main nutrient used in the mix, but later in flowering when the heavier micronutrients and phosphorus and potassium become the macro nutrients needed for growth, your low pH is going to cause problems if you keep them always wet... read up on it in other coco grows to be sure, but I remember reading that 6.1 was the magic spot for coco. If you are using the drying out method there is a pH drift that happens and in that case, your 5.8 number is correct.
please consider that your guy in the shop probably doesnt grow pot and at best he grows a few tomatoes. He has not learned some of the minute details as to how to work with this stuff. I am giving you info that comes from years and years of real world experience that is also rich with reading about, writing and conversing online with others trying to grow this weed. We have practical real world experience that your grow shop guy doesnt have. Please follow our advice.
All in all, considering the horrible soil mix and bug problems that you had before, I think you made a very wise choice, a gutsy one indeed, but wise choice to go to coco and the synthetic environment. The learning curve is steep though.... hang on. And dont try to keep your coco wet before figuring out a way to oxygenate the fluids. Try this... it will help. Mix up your nutrient solution needed for that watering and put it in a gallon milk jug. Shake it for 10 minutes, opening the lid now and then to add more oxygen. Fish pump is easier just to keep some oxygenated water going until you need to mix up your nutes... but manual labor works too... and you do like to do things in the garden. :)
 
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