Playing With Royal Queen Seeds At Otters - An LOS Grow
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Soon I hope Smokes!Grow School Thanks guys , now if this state would get there shit together on it
Highya SO,
I just looked at the forecast. The next time above freezing up here will be next Friday. And that's only forecast to be 33 degrees. I hope you're not that cold. Canna ladies might not like that!
Seedlings look good. I saw some mottling on some. Has it been a little chilly in there? I grew a couple years inside, but couldn't keep them warm enough. They looked like that early. Picked up great after though. Happy Smokin'
I just looked at the forecast. The next time above freezing up here will be next Friday. And that's only forecast to be 33 degrees. I hope you're not that cold. Canna ladies might not like that!
Seedlings look good. I saw some mottling on some. Has it been a little chilly in there? I grew a couple years inside, but couldn't keep them warm enough. They looked like that early. Picked up great after though. Happy Smokin'
Gee man, isn't this making a case for buying an IR gun first rather than the refractometer. I can build high brix soil, so for me, VPD monitoring might be a higher priority in order to get my lights right and within the DLI range? What do you think?
Gee64
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It's sort of your call Carmen. With your open room setup you will have a hard time getting VPD to work. So the need for an IR gun lessens.
The refractometer would tell you which light cycle was producing better photosynthesis by which cycle produced higher brix, as well as the state of your calcium, and the IR gun will tell you if your leaves are dialed for optimal transpiration.
If you were to make your day longer but reduce light intensity you would almost assuredly not have warm leaves because of the reduced ppfd. Transpiration would be slower but last longer to achieve the same amount in the end.
If you were pushing your ppfd to the limit I would say get the IR gun so you don't push too hard, but with lower light longer there's no pushing.
As for longer days at lower ppfd vs shorter days at higher ppfd, I'm not sure which is better, but your eye would tell you if it was producing a bigger plant.
But then there is the arguement that you could possibly be able to turn the light intensity higher while remaining on your 18/6 schedule, thus growing faster, and you would need the IR gun to do that.
So really you need both. I guess whichever is the most affordable at the time of purchase is probably your best route.
Your point of likely already being high brix is valid, which slants it in favor of the IR gun 1st.
The IR gun would tell you if you have room to push them harder at 18/6, but upping ppfd would change DLI.
Tough call. Your logic for the IR gun 1st is solid, so if that makes more sense to you then that's the route to go.
Myself, I see DLI as a byproduct, and would consider being able to give them maximum safe ppfd's more beneficial than following a DLI chart because every plant is different, but the DLI chart doesn't allow for that. It assumes all plants are the same.
So yeah, I agree with you, the gun is going to tell you more immediately because your brix is likely already solid.
You don't have calcium issues, but raising your light levels requires more calcium, so you will need to be extra dilligent watching for a calcium deficiency if the IR gun says you can raise light levels.
Dealers choice, but in your position I'm kinda leaning towards the gun. Just watch for calcium issues. Keep a close eye on your soil every drydown and if it starts to crust then give her a low dose of calmag.
Thanks Gee. Looking back, I attribute most of my earlier plant issues to too much light and sometimes too much water. I'll get the gun before my next grow. I may even get the refractometer and while I still worry that I will not have the strength to squeeze liquid from leaves, I'd love to join the brixing club lol.
Gee64
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lol one thing always leads to another. Your 3rd purchase may be a garlic press
.Garlic and weed attracts men, and we are pests, you have been warned!
Edit: A lasagne sticky trap will contain man-pests.
Too funny.lol one thing always leads to another. Your 3rd purchase may be a garlic press
Garlic and weed attracts men, and we are pests, you have been warned!
So, question while you're here pestering away at Carmen....LOL....when you take the temps with the IR gun, are you turning off any fans before you do the reading?
Might seem a silly question, but there it is.
Gee64
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Good question actually. I leave the environment exactly how it is to get a real time reading of what's going on so I leave my fans running. You want to know leaf temps under normal conditions.Too funny.
So, question while you're here pestering away at Carmen....LOL....when you take the temps with the IR gun, are you turning off any fans before you do the reading?
Might seem a silly question, but there it is.
It's really important to take this reading at 10 hours after lights on or later, as weed will photorespire in the early day as she burns the last of her sugars that she built yesterday, during the early day, so she will naturally fluctuate her leaf temps to flip in and out of respiration while she is photosynthesizing.
Later in the day she's just running full bore building sugars for tonight, and that's when she is in danger of running too fast. That's her maximum speed for the day, so that's the reading you make adjustments by.
Don't panic if she has warm leaves during the early part of the day, because she will.
At night she will raise her leaf temps above ambient to flip herself into respiration, and if she isn't finished respiring at lights on she will photorespire when lights come on.
Taking readings all day long is a cool way to see what she's up to tho. Just don't panic. Adjust at the 10 hour reading.
Gee64
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Lady C, if you start taking readings and are unsure of anything, pop into GeeSpot. We discuss this a fair bit there so someone is always lurking that can help. Or tag me and I can come to your journal so you have it documented.
Thanks, I've already been doing some IR experimenting on the leaves, but this isn't the proper IR gun that measures everything I need. It's just a simple gun that I use in the kitchen. No panic here, just watching.
Waiting on yet another late freaking Zon delivery, expected 4 days ago on overnight delivery. LOL We've got some snowfall, so I expect another "Delayed in transit" message today.
I'll leave the natural environment with the fans I have going alone when I take the readings then. The fans are pointed more toward the light to cool off the heat.
Thanks Gee. I just noticed where I am. LOL
Sorry Stone! I thought I was on Carmen's thread. oops....I should look first.
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Good morning Bode! Same here! The good news is I can see the frozen ground still! No snow!
Temps are varying in there, good eye! 65 at night now, I went from high to low on the coop heater. Maybe I'll go back to high.
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It took 8 years for folks to be interested in working in Living Organic Soil. It's been slow for that time and any and all discussions are welcome here! First the Doc Brix folks came in. Great system! That was too secretive and proprietary for me. This free speaking on all topics LOS is enlightening and I live for it! Nature in her Birthday Suit! That's what I'm talking about! I can listen and learn on that all day!
Gee64
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Good to know Stone
. I was afraid I may have been spamming your journal. Brix is definitely Natures Way. It's how she ensures that the strong survive.If you are growing with LOS it only makes sense to take advantage of it. It's cheaper than bug spray
Gee64
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Plus it will lead to owning a worm farm, and then your one of the Cool Kids
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Them being off the bug menu starting at ~12 brix is awesome!Good to know Stone
If you are growing with LOS it only makes sense to take advantage of it. It's cheaper than bug spray
I kept a couple of mothers in 5 inch pots a while back. Bonsai style. They got so many bugs! Springtails I believe. When I watered, they would make white pools of moving life on top of soil. Not 3 feet from my 4 x 4 full of plants not showing any sign of this. I wondered how it cold be? Now I know! Healthy plants in the tent, unhealthy plants right next door!
I didn't figure how to keep a healthy bonsai weed plant but I was happy to grow on with the least of them living in the 4 x 4 harmoniously.
Not in my cards for the near future. I prefer happily marriedPlus it will lead to owning a worm farm, and then your one of the Cool Kids
My grow store always has a stock of them. No leachate for me though!
Gee64
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As long as you have EWC your good. And your still a Cool Kid... honest...
Gee64
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I may have told you this story already.
I gave my buddy a cut of a strain I thought he would like. It was a clone in LOS and high brix. I gave him specific instructions for water only, as he's a synthetic grower.
Later I asked him how it was doing. He said he had to cull it, so I asked why? I told you water only.
He said he did do water only but something was wrong with it. It looked good but even the bugs wouldn't go near it so he culled it. He'd never seen that before so it wigged him out
I just shook my head.
I gave my buddy a cut of a strain I thought he would like. It was a clone in LOS and high brix. I gave him specific instructions for water only, as he's a synthetic grower.
Later I asked him how it was doing. He said he had to cull it, so I asked why? I told you water only.
He said he did do water only but something was wrong with it. It looked good but even the bugs wouldn't go near it so he culled it. He'd never seen that before so it wigged him out
I just shook my head.
JiggiLotus
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autos like the light, however they dont seem to want it hard..they like it gentle.
