PK Perpetual Grow Journal 2020

bluter said:
are you on RO ?

assuming you are :

has me twisted. do you mean plain water that tests at 395ppm or nuted water at 395ppm ?

if actual plain water then i think i see a problem.

you should switch all your measurements to ec if you are going to approach everything by tds. it is much more accurate and far less prone to confusion. there is only one scale for ec. measures the same thing as ppm.
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I edited the 25l tank bit sorry buddy was reading paper here for info wrong

Stil the same tho i took half out and swapoed half plain water to get ppm right lol.

If i swao to ec am gettin bloody this. base ec water 0.8 tap water not ro

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besides the issue with the pens, diluting down on large amounts can be tricky. the ec you get back is not always in balance with feed needs. it is always best to mix up to your target ec by adding nutes. not by going over and diluting.
what you get is a target ec but the balance of nutes that it is measuring will be wrong.

edit : should add this is more particular to two and 3 part nute systems.

i'm gonna ask @Jack420 in on this. he runs a super pro flood and drain perpetual on MC 1 part. it's similar to at least half your grow. he has a simplified approach that works and i respect his input.
 
bluter said:
besides the issue with the pens, diluting down on large amounts can be tricky. the ec you get back is not always in balance with feed needs. it is always best to mix up to your target ec by adding nutes. not by going over and diluting.
what you get is a target ec but the balance of nutes that it is measuring will be wrong.

edit : should add this is more particular to two and 3 part nute systems.

i'm gonna ask @Jack420 in on this. he runs a super pro flood and drain perpetual on MC 1 part. it's similar to at least half your grow. he has a simplified approach that works and i respect his input.
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As long as u stick to the grams per gallon ur golden I never check my water or ph I just read the plants but evrey time I mix i scale it up . Full flower I’ve never went past 6 g per gal veg 2 tru 4 g per gal really simple to fallow the more u run it the more understanding you will have for mc
 
Jack420 said:
As long as u stick to the grams per gallon ur golden I never check my water or ph I just read the plants but evrey time I mix i scale it up . Full flower I’ve never went past 6 g per gal veg 2 tru 4 g per gal really simple to fallow the more u run it the more understanding you will have for mc
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he's on a 2 part MC jack - but i see no reason not to run it different.

i would go back to g / gal, follow the MC feed guidelines, drop the kelp and other stuff for now. measure your ec for educational purposes - but don't live by it. and take a read on the plants. after a while you won't need the ec pen, living by it is tripping you up some @Pondwater.

adding stuff with mc is a recipe for issues as well. it's a nute you have got to learn on it's own or risk blowing stuff up big time.
 
@Pondwater I would disregard GLN's elemental PPM calculator as everyone and GLN suggests to do. Go based off of their grams per gallon dosing but keep in mind that it is running a little hot/high PPMs. They have a warning about the elemental calculator not matching up with what your meter says, this goes beyond just adding in the initial tap water PPM. Look at their 1 part calculator, if you use their feed calculator to get a PPM reading at a specific gr/gal and then take that gr/gal to the elemental calculator for the 1 part you will not get the same PPM reading. Below is an example.

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So at 20 grams per 10 gallons they show a PPM of 277

Now taking 20 grams per 10 gallons to the elemental calculator.

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A PPM of 225 and a difference of almost 19%.

This is the reasoning behind this disclaimer for the elemental calculator.

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yes this ^

we've all kind of been saying the same thing.
plants really don't look bad to me at all really. sure won't take much.
 
@Pondwater i am back along with the other to help you out but you are just confusing and i'm sure @MrSauga didn't mean anything with your english and typing but that its just hard to follow and help.

So, i'm just gona tell you what to do and i'd appreciate if you just drop pictures and read your sentence before pressing post reply


1. Can you take a picture of your tds meter in just plain water that you use to water the plants. I want to know your water tab reading of what the ec or ppm are.

2. can you take a picture of your plant close by showing the leaves.

3. what was your last feeding ppm/ec reading.

4. do you have a scale?


I don't care for the calculator. i want proper answer to your grow so i can explain the calculator and how it should be used.

sry but your making it difficult and if you make a journal it would be easier to help you but if you want to drop your info here thats okay 2


Also, the 2part MC is not difficult at all and the calculator and your tds meter are working fine.
 
bluter said:
yes this ^

we've all kind of been saying the same thing.
plants really don't look bad to me at all really. sure won't take much.
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ya, the plants do look good from far, but under that light its hard to tell.
@Pondwater if you are running on the calculator and feeding you probably will see some sort of deficiency. mainly nitrogen unless your plants and current feeding is past the levels that is suggested in the early or late veg phase
 
bluter said:
he's on a 2 part MC jack - but i see no reason not to run it different.

i would go back to g / gal, follow the MC feed guidelines, drop the kelp and other stuff for now. measure your ec for educational purposes - but don't live by it. and take a read on the plants. after a while you won't need the ec pen, living by it is tripping you up some @Pondwater.

adding stuff with mc is a recipe for issues as well. it's a nute you have got to learn on it's own or risk blowing stuff up big time.
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Wow they have a 2 part now lol but I agree mc don’t need all the extra stuff added it’s all in the product itself u always told me that after a few run def believed u brother
 
Jack420 said:
Wow they have a 2 part now lol but I agree mc don’t need all the extra stuff added it’s all in the product itself u always told me that after a few run def believed u brother
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funny enough @Pennywise told me the same thing :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
follow the best, help the rest ... :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
PK said:
@Pondwater i am back along with the other to help you out but you are just confusing and i'm sure @MrSauga didn't mean anything with your english and typing but that its just hard to follow and help.

So, i'm just gona tell you what to do and i'd appreciate if you just drop pictures and read your sentence before pressing post reply


1. Can you take a picture of your tds meter in just plain water that you use to water the plants. I want to know your water tab reading of what the ec or ppm are.

2. can you take a picture of your plant close by showing the leaves.

3. what was your last feeding ppm/ec reading.

4. do you have a scale?


I don't care for the calculator. i want proper answer to your grow so i can explain the calculator and how it should be used.

sry but your making it difficult and if you make a journal it would be easier to help you but if you want to drop your info here thats okay 2


Also, the 2part MC is not difficult at all and the calculator and your tds meter are working fine.
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3 mc 2 part 1 week. I followed the guide and ppm 1700 ph 6.

4 amazing scales very accurate.
5i only use tnc bactor13 hydromax and tricor coco. There bebeficial fungi. Gln said was fine. They contain humics that make nutes more avalible chelation. And kelp traces gln said was fine.

In the hydro i mixed a tea up with worm cast as i use them for rot rot prevention. I cure root rot in days no chems.
Done it for years even without chillers i can cure a root rot tank in a week at 24degrees. Not mine a friends wash them over water. New tank bennie tea in nutes 3days later and more tea root rot gone and new white roots.

The mix i use litetatly i root cuttings in it in 5 days i spray houseplants with it. Years and on side by sides they protect and double my root zone. Strong symbic relationship. If anythings amiss they normaly sort it.

In coco i innoculate tricor its for coco. And feed the tea by hand weekly if i feel they need it it has trace elements also its not a food its aftercare trust u cud not overdose this i soak seeds in it seriously its just bennies.

They only seemd to effect my hydro but im not sosure thst ppm there wasnt osmosis effect leeching advsnced leftovers ontop after the swap over hydro was 2000ppm ive done a half change to 1200ppm as she has nitrogen curling slightly

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