PK Perpetual Grow Journal 2020

Pennywise said:
GG4 is Sour Dubb x Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel
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Definitely a different taste but very potent stuff. I liked it but I have to be careful. To much was not an enjoyable high for me....I'ma light weight. I only smoke occasionally. Gram or two here n there. But once my grows finished I should be okay for a while.
 
JimJonesJr said:
It is not recommended by many people but it will not kill your plants. But I understand the energy bill thing. Whatever works for you. Playing God in a 2x2 is a blast isn't it.
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It's called plant respiration and is very important... I used to think it didnt matter much but when I went to 18/6, I noticed the plants were using that time to actually grow..every morning it looked like they put on an inch or two.. I hadn't noticed that kind of every day spurt-surge under 24 hour light.. I also noticed that at the end of the day when i come to turn out their lites, they look tired and leaves droop a bit, They look super refreshed-recharged in the morning, so decided I liked them at 18/6 for all the benefits and recharging they get.... I also think watering them twice a day routine works well for me. Once in the afternoon, a big ass full drink of MC, and just before lights out give them the smaller amount to drink slow..

[The process of respiration in plants involves using the sugars produced during photosynthesis plus oxygen to produce energy for plant growth. ... Respiration takes place in the mitochondria of the cell in the presence of oxygen, which is called "aerobic respiration".]

Basics of Plant Respiration

Delve into how plants breathe and grow. Learn to foster strong roots and beautiful plant by understanding cellular respiration.
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This means that plants use the 6 hours time to grow.. , and you are short changing them by 2 hours of real growing time by only giving them 4 hours to sleep... :rofl:
 
Anthony Suszko said:
I've done that but I've stayed away from taking one off the plant thats showing flower form... I've taken a few off a prime example nearing six feet in 5th day of 12/12 but wont take one off her that late for fear of finishing flower and dieing/ end of plants cycle like i suspect might happen here...
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So funny enough some people have played with revegging a lot and I have seen it done where a person will litererally harvest the plant all except the larf buds at the bottom and they reveg the entire plant and succesfully if I may add. This does sound crazy but what I am trying to say is maybe you don't need to worry about taking clnes that have some pistil development :lot-o-toke:
 
r0am1ng st0ner said:
So funny enough some people have played with revegging a lot and I have seen it done where a person will litererally harvest the plant all except the larf buds at the bottom and they reveg the entire plant and succesfully if I may add. This does sound crazy but what I am trying to say is maybe you don't need to worry about taking clnes that have some pistil development :lot-o-toke:
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Maybe?.. but think of it at as making life harder for yourself when you don't need to if you take a good clone to start with... You guys seem to like to work bassackwards making life harder on yourselves... just sayin,
 
Anthony Suszko said:
Maybe?.. but think of it at as making life harder for yourself when you don't need to if you take a good clone to start with... You guys seem to like to work bassackwards making life harder on yourselves... just sayin,
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I am not trying to say you can only clone in flower, I only mean to say relax and watch your clones go they may surprise you happy growing :passitleft:
 
r0am1ng st0ner said:
I am not trying to say you can only clone in flower, I only mean to say relax and watch your clones go they may surprise you happy growing :passitleft:
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you know what, It's fine!
If you feel you want or need to make a production of reversing flowering just to take a simple clone that should take 2 seconds to snip, dip in gell and plant in a cup... All I'm saying, it may boil down to time factor waiting for all that stuff to happen... burning the lamp for 24 hours to get clones to give out roots..and then count in your time along with utilities.. Sometimes it just pays to keep it simple..
 
Anthony Suszko said:
It's called plant respiration and is very important... I used to think it didnt matter much but when I went to 18/6, I noticed the plants were using that time to actually grow..every morning it looked like they put on an inch or two.. I hadn't noticed that kind of every day spurt-surge under 24 hour light.. I also noticed that at the end of the day when i come to turn out their lites, they look tired and leaves droop a bit, They look super refreshed-recharged in the morning, so decided I liked them at 18/6 for all the benefits and recharging they get.... I also think watering them twice a day routine works well for me. Once in the afternoon, a big ass full drink of MC, and just before lights out give them the smaller amount to drink slow..

[The process of respiration in plants involves using the sugars produced during photosynthesis plus oxygen to produce energy for plant growth. ... Respiration takes place in the mitochondria of the cell in the presence of oxygen, which is called "aerobic respiration".]

Basics of Plant Respiration

Delve into how plants breathe and grow. Learn to foster strong roots and beautiful plant by understanding cellular respiration.
www.pthorticulture.com
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This means that plants use the 6 hours time to grow.. , and you are short changing them by 2 hours of real growing time by only giving them 4 hours to sleep... :rofl:
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See, I told you someone would pipe in....lol. It's all good though. Love this forum.
 
Anthony Suszko said:
you know what, It's fine!
If you feel you want or need to make a production of reversing flowering just to take a simple clone that should take 2 seconds snip, dip in gell and plant in a cup... All I'm saying, it may boil to time factor waiting for all that stuff to happen... and then count in your time along with utilities.. Sometimes it just pays to keep it simple..
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I don't get why you are going to such effort to devalue my opinion when you showed up only to tell the OP his clones were taken too late to do anything. you wrote this as a question so I simply informed you that you're wrong it can be done and now you are trying to tell me it is a waste of time. Here is how it usually works, people are busy in their life and they flip their plant, oh no now I need clones am I hooped? nope I will just go get some clones and enjoy my life without worry. Sorry PK1 that this is taking up space on your journal

Edit: from beginning I simply wanted to give the OP hope about his clones by stating some people do it intentionally, I never tried to ever state that you should intentionally flower before cloning and I would never state this as I have never tried for myself, please do whatever you need to enjoy yourself :Namaste:
 
Did someone mention taking clones during flowering? Now that was always a subject of debate I remember having many many times. Some say it's a waste of time. I make it mandatory when I take clones. Why? Because of the massive branching you get which makes growing in a scrog much faster. No need to top plants. You get more branching than you need without topping or lst bending. Day 21 of flowering is an optimal time to take your clipping. Nothing different about the process. Clip, dip, n root. Takes about a week after rooting to re veg and then BAM! Method not recommended if your doing sog but in a scrog they shine. I've recently read where some have been using these clones to grow massive trees outdoors. I wrote up an article on this years ago. Maybe I should share it here and stir up a huge debate...lol. We all have our ways of doing things. Some are out of the norm. These are flowering clones. 2 plants in a 18gal dwc Scrog taken at 21 days flowering. I've taken them even later. Usually when I am cleaning out the undergrowth of the canopy.
 

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Anthony Suszko said:
you know what, It's fine!
If you feel you want or need to make a production of reversing flowering just to take a simple clone that should take 2 seconds to snip, dip in gell and plant in a cup... All I'm saying, it may boil down to time factor waiting for all that stuff to happen... burning the lamp for 24 hours to get clones to give out roots..and then count in your time along with utilities.. Sometimes it just pays to keep it simple..
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The reason some people monster crop is that there is a theory you will get twice if not way more colas in a small compact auto size plant and I have seen photos of crazy huge grows literally do whatever makes you happy

Edit sounds like the plant can get to be any size as JimJonesJr states people putting them outdoors and I did say reveg in a 18/6 I never said burn out your plants or lights in a 24/0
 
JimJonesJr said:
Did someone mention taking clones during flowering? Now that was always a subject of debate I remember having many many times. Some say it's a waste of time. I make it mandatory when I take clones. Why? Because of the massive branching you get which makes growing in a scrog much faster. No need to top plants. You get more branching than you need without topping or lst bending. Day 21 of flowering is an optimal time to take your clipping. Nothing different about the process. Clip, dip, n root. Takes about a week after rooting to re veg and then BAM! Method not recommended if your doing sog but in a scrog they shine. I've recently read where some have been using these clones to grow massive trees outdoors. I wrote up an article on this years ago. Maybe I should share it here and stir up a huge debate...lol. We all have our ways of doing things. Some are out of the norm. These are flowering clones. 2 plants in a 18gal dwc Scrog taken at 21 days flowering. I've taken them even later. Usually when I am cleaning out the undergrowth of the canopy.
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I am so happy someone that was already here had experience to add to this conversation I only have my research on the interwebs
 
r0am1ng st0ner said:
The reason some people monster crop is that there is a theory you will get twice if not way more colas in a small compact auto size plant and I have seen photos of crazy huge grows literally do whatever makes you happy

Edit sounds like the plant can get to be any size as JimJonesJr states people putting them outdoors
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Flowering clones ROCK! Never hesitate! Pk I too must apologize. We have hijacked your thread..lol. However there's been some good stuff discussed here.
 
r0am1ng st0ner said:
I am so happy someone that was already here had experience to add to this conversation I only have my research on the interwebs
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I learned this method back in the early 2000s from an amazing Australian grower. He used it to grow trees. I took the method and used it to Scrog and never looked back. The method is awesome for mother plant clones as well due to the heavy branching. Hell, I've even taken a reg clone from a mother. Thrown her into flower and then back into veg state to get the branching. If you read my grow journal I did basically the same thing with a seed grow..lol Different strokes for different folks aye..
 
Anthony Suszko said:
you know what, It's fine!
If you feel you want or need to make a production of reversing flowering just to take a simple clone that should take 2 seconds to snip, dip in gell and plant in a cup... All I'm saying, it may boil down to time factor waiting for all that stuff to happen... burning the lamp for 24 hours to get clones to give out roots..and then count in your time along with utilities.. Sometimes it just pays to keep it simple..
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You need not burn 24/7 lamps for a flowering clone. You can opt for any vegging cycle lamp schedule. They develop just as fast as new growth on a regular clone. However, late flowering clippings will take a tad bit longer to regenerate. That is why I always say 21 days in...clip clip clip them low hangers.
 
JimJonesJr said:
Flowering clones ROCK! Never hesitate! Pk I too must apologize. We have hijacked your thread..lol. However there's been some good stuff discussed here.
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Agree, there are people growing scrog strictly for production and turnover in small mini tents and people growing and newbies learning how to grow their first plants before ascending into the hobby and expanding.. They may prefer growing 40 inch Hydro DWC set ups or soil pots it's just whatever floats your boat and whatever level you are, there seems to be a grow style for everyone. There is no wrong or right answer here.. its strictly preference and for some growing a big ass tree is a major accomplishment and are in it for the fun and size.. Some people dont care for mini mutants scrog-sog but hey it's yur thing knock yurself out. This convo just started out as questioning if the clone with pistols was too far into flower to turn back...Scrogging seems to require allot of expensive gadgets and gizmos to pin your grows down and trouble shoot. I hear allot of bitching about the utility bill for running these small Suzy Bake Ovens yur all playing with..
 
Anthony Suszko said:
Agree, there are people growing scrog strictly for production and turnover in small mini tents and people growing and learning how to grow their first plants before ascending into the hobby and expanding.
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finally @Anthony Suszko :rofl: @JimJonesJr & @r0am1ng st0ner
you guys will all come along. Keep it proffesional and on topic tho :rofl:

i've only read some of the above content.
My two cent is that i've read that you could essentiall harveset a plant and put it back to veg mode. I dont think any begginer would be able to do this. However, the internet says it is possible. Now if you look at your plants in your yards.
They flower every year and they go back to veggative stage before it flowers again. It's called cycle of plant. :rofl::rofl:
now back to reading agian lol!!
 
JimJonesJr said:
You need not burn 24/7 lamps for a flowering clone. You can opt for any vegging cycle lamp schedule. They develop just as fast as new growth on a regular clone. However, late flowering clippings will take a tad bit longer to regenerate. That is why I always say 21 days in...clip clip clip them low hangers.
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agreed!! i am noticing this as i am going through the clones.

My first set of clones were before flower and they grow faster, but i had a male which i also took a clone from and as stoned as i am. I forgot to mark them :hmmmm:. i guess i gotta get used to marking things down. lol!! The clones that i have now are after i found out which one is a female and male/. So i decided to throw the last clones out and just cut few branches from the female plant
 
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