Peyton's Sour Sky Hempy Grow 2014

Stumped said:
I've seen some 2-3 even 5 foot autos before. I'm pretty sure why yours only got 20" was because of the conditions, you had a high temp problem right? That will almost always slow growth and stunt the plant. Or light too close to plants. If its an auto and says it gets double what yours is, almost answers its own question there. Don't mean the plant isn't good by no means.

But.... A big but, this is your first grow right? Considering that and all the stuff you learned on the way. That's one nice fucking plant.
I've fucked up this strain I'm growing more times then actually successfully growing. They say my strain gets 3-4 feet. And until last crop I always had under 2 foot plants.

Another hypothesis.
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You are absolutely right. Had heat problems up until 4 weeks, half the seed to harvest estimate. I'm already 1 week past that time anyway. It only got to 20" in the final stretch.
Two pieces of glass with the grain facing differently will do strange things to light waves. So making the glass thicker might be a better idea if you are trying to do anything to change the "focal length" of the glass (as if it were a lens). Focal length=distance between LED face and I think midway through the pane of glass. Not sure, it might be either surface of the glass pane. Thicker glass would change all those distances except if focal length is determined by the inner face of glass pane.
 
PeytonManning said:
So wildjim, is today the big day? Are the trichs turning amber at the bottom of plant too? Can't wait to see her chopped
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I don't know if today is it. Wanted to get online first I missed so much yesterday. (te he he) I will check after wife leaves for work. She has to go two hours early for a meeting. I told her to take off two weeks after the end of this schedule. End of June unfortunately. Colorado or California here I come. I'd prefer Colorado. It's only 2/3s of the way to Cali.
I didn't like the 1/4 or 1/5 green to dry formula. It looks like I will have even less than I thought. Wife says volume looks like 25-28 grams. That would make it 5-7 dry. But we'll see. Looks like a full sack to me. I'll pray to Kali tonight.
 
Off topic, as usual, but 14 of my Texas Star Hibiscus have popped. I'll include a picture of what they look like Here. Depending on how many would like to grow one, I'll send a couple seeds if they are wanted. Look like weed before the flowers bloom. You can google the name to see flowers.
 
Stumped said:
I beg to differ, that's why there rated at certain distances. Hid wasn't originally designed for growing pot, that's why results vary sooooo much. These Leds are designed for growing hence why the industry suggest its rated distance. Because they know and you can see it yurslef if you have a spectrometer, at about 18 inch the colors blend into one.

Is this all bullshit the industry is tell us? THAT is a good question, and I can't wait to test for myself!

Someone just figured out 30 or 40 years ago or however long ago it was, a street light will grow pot indoors lol wasn't designed for growing like LEDs are. These particular LEDs.

I dunno just how I see things from my point of view and from what I've been extensively reading lol

I feel the need to put this, I'm not being rude or trying to sound like a know it all. Research I do, and this is what I understand. Wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong lol but I think I'm right. Hhaahahah

Please elaborate if you got any input on it.
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We are refering to many different lights here, so painting with a broad brush. I really don't feel like rehashing this one, but what the hell. This information is there to be read. The LED display I bought came with instructions that essentially state a recommended height, then go on to say that the genetics of each organism differ. Therefore, their requirments for intensity is not the same across the board. The lights I bought do not state they were made for growing cannabis, nor do the instructions or literature on their site make any such claims. This pretty much goes for every other brand, since they are all following the lead of advanced, poorly I may add.

They are designed to grow vegetative life, yes. That makes them much more efficient, but it doesn't mean there is one set distance to adhere to because it differs from plant to plant, even strain to strain and parameters matter, as well.

You can obviously decide whatever height you wish. No one is telling you what to do. I simply directed you to someone with more experience than myself, who's used the lights at a very close distance with success, such as myself and others.

Again, these LEDs are sold with instructions to grow most plants, however, cannabis is not most plants, has an evolutionary lineage and niche. It evolved to it's native region on mountainous plains, high elevation where the UV is more intense. So, some growers feel it's wise to give cannabis more intensity from these very forgiving LEDs in an attempt to produce the best quality cannabis they can, while judging their own parameters and adapting their height accordingly. Or you could simply ignore that cannabis is different from most plants, with larger, thicker, more hearty leaves and simply follow the instructions without question.

It's a trade off, not so much one way or the other. They specifically mention the dynamic between coverage and intensity and finding a balance suited for your plants because they know genetics of cultivated vegetation is widly diverse. It's a large tree of life- evolution via natrual selection produces astonishing variety. They are so diverse because they are distinct to their invironments, hence why some species adapt distinct traits, while the same species on another island close by develops similar, yet distinct traits of it's own. Divergence, evolution and natural selection are the reason why we can't set the lights the same for every plant. Then again, it will still grow and it's completely up to you, of course. I will also add that pretty much no cannabis plant is grown completely flat and even, although we certainly try, it's just never going to be flat. This is why we lollipop, train, etc. so we can try to absorb as much light as possible. If you keep your lights at the recommended height, really only the tops of the plant are recieving this intensity, with a dramatic drop in intensity just underneath the top set of fan leaves, or canopy. Well, by lowering the light to compromise this fulcrum, we take advantage of an average intensity, where the entire height of the plant is taken into account. So, lowering the lights leaves me with a spread of the spectra both too narrow at the top of the plant and too wide, or spread out at the bottom, so the middle of the plant is in this perfect zone, imho getting maximum efficacy of the panel. However, this is distinct to the growing method I've decided to utilize.

I can also say that there is very little risk involved with doing a bit of your own experimenting, as well. Paying close attention to the details of your own grow often leave you with far more information than if you simply asked, or faithfully follow something you think is more of a law than a guideline. Speaking in general, not just this situation. Of course, ask for help if you need it, but it's important to learn to swim independently to gain trust in your own ideas and logic, hopefully well rooted in reality and facts.

I don't know enough about the history of hid lighting, so I won't comment on that.

Keep calm and grow on... I'm happy to see another LED cultivator for sure. Don't worry about upsetting me. I don't take non-personal arguments to heart. I think they should always be heated. Scream at each other if you have to. I would rather see debate and bickering than blank pages. We learn a lot in heated exchanges. We even make new friends. For one, I'm glad you have some fight in you. It's a good thing.
 
wildjim said:
You are absolutely right. Had heat problems up until 4 weeks, half the seed to harvest estimate. I'm already 1 week past that time anyway. It only got to 20" in the final stretch.
Two pieces of glass with the grain facing differently will do strange things to light waves. So making the glass thicker might be a better idea if you are trying to do anything to change the "focal length" of the glass (as if it were a lens). Focal length=distance between LED face and I think midway through the pane of glass. Not sure, it might be either surface of the glass pane. Thicker glass would change all those distances except if focal length is determined by the inner face of glass pane.
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Yea I wasn't aware the leds already have glass. 2 would probably cause all kinds of issues. Maybe removing first pane, and put it further from the bulbs, might make a difference if anything.
 
cannateer said:
We are refering to many different lights here, so painting with a broad brush. I really don't feel like rehashing this one, but what the hell. This information is there to be read. The LED display I bought came with instructions that essentially state a recommended height, then go on to say that the genetics of each organism differ. Therefore, their requirments for intensity is not the same across the board. The lights I bought do not state they were made for growing cannabis, nor do the instructions or literature on their site make any such claims. This pretty much goes for every other brand, since they are all following the lead of advanced, poorly I may add.

They are designed to grow vegetative life, yes. That makes them much more efficient, but it doesn't mean there is one set distance to adhere to because it differs from plant to plant, even strain to strain and parameters matter, as well.

You can obviously decide whatever height you wish. No one is telling you what to do. I simply directed you to someone with more experience than myself, who's used the lights at a very close distance with success, such as myself and others.

Again, these LEDs are sold with instructions to grow most plants, however, cannabis is not most plants, has an evolutionary lineage and niche. It evolved to it's native region on mountainous plains, high elevation where the UV is more intense. So, some growers feel it's wise to give cannabis more intensity from these very forgiving LEDs in an attempt to produce the best quality cannabis they can, while judging their own parameters and adapting their height accordingly. Or you could simply ignore that cannabis is different from most plants, with larger, thicker, more hearty leaves and simply follow the instructions without question.

It's a trade off, not so much one way or the other. They specifically mention the dynamic between coverage and intensity and finding a balance suited for your plants because they know genetics of cultivated vegetation is widly diverse. It's a large tree of life- evolution via natrual selection produces astonishing variety. They are so diverse because they are distinct to their invironments, hence why some species adapt distinct traits, while the same species on another island close by develops similar, yet distinct traits of it's own. Divergence, evolution and natural selection are the reason why we can't set the lights the same for every plant. Then again, it will still grow and it's completely up to you, of course. I will also add that pretty much no cannabis plant is grown completely flat and even, although we certainly try, it's just never going to be flat. This is why we lollipop, train, etc. so we can try to absorb as much light as possible. If you keep your lights at the recommended height, really only the tops of the plant are recieving this intensity, with a dramatic drop in intensity just underneath the top set of fan leaves, or canopy. Well, by lowering the light to compromise this fulcrum, we take advantage of an average intensity, where the entire height of the plant is taken into account. So, lowering the lights leaves me with a spread of the spectra both too narrow at the top of the plant and too wide, or spread out at the bottom, so the middle of the plant is in this perfect zone, imho getting maximum efficacy of the panel. However, this is distinct to the growing method I've decided to utilize.

I can also say that there is very little risk involved with doing a bit of your own experimenting, as well. Paying close attention to the details of your own grow often leave you with far more information than if you simply asked, or faithfully follow something you think is more of a law than a guideline. Speaking in general, not just this situation. Of course, ask for help if you need it, but it's important to learn to swim independently to gain trust in your own ideas and logic, hopefully well rooted in reality and facts.

I don't know enough about the history of hid lighting, so I won't comment on that.

Keep calm and grow on... I'm happy to see another LED cultivator for sure. Don't worry about upsetting me. I don't take non-personal arguments to heart. I think they should always be heated. Scream at each other if you have to. I would rather see debate and bickering than blank pages. We learn a lot in heated exchanges. We even make new friends. For one, I'm glad you have some fight in you. It's a good thing.
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Lol not bickering that's for sure. Debating is always healthy if both sides are mature enough to not take offence personally :) as we all are here at the present.

I'll get someone who knows the ins and outs of led lighting to explain basically what I've been saying only in a more educated and detailed manor, and some background info. My brain don't have that callibur so sometimes I come across dumb and don't explain what I'm saying well.

Cheers bro.
 
cannateer said:
We are refering to many different lights here, so painting with a broad brush. I really don't feel like rehashing this one, but what the hell. This information is there to be read. The LED display I bought came with instructions that essentially state a recommended height, then go on to say that the genetics of each organism differ. Therefore, their requirments for intensity is not the same across the board. The lights I bought do not state they were made for growing cannabis, nor do the instructions or literature on their site make any such claims. This pretty much goes for every other brand, since they are all following the lead of advanced, poorly I may add.

They are designed to grow vegetative life, yes. That makes them much more efficient, but it doesn't mean there is one set distance to adhere to because it differs from plant to plant, even strain to strain and parameters matter, as well.

You can obviously decide whatever height you wish. No one is telling you what to do. I simply directed you to someone with more experience than myself, who's used the lights at a very close distance with success, such as myself and others.

Again, these LEDs are sold with instructions to grow most plants, however, cannabis is not most plants, has an evolutionary lineage and niche. It evolved to it's native region on mountainous plains, high elevation where the UV is more intense. So, some growers feel it's wise to give cannabis more intensity from these very forgiving LEDs in an attempt to produce the best quality cannabis they can, while judging their own parameters and adapting their height accordingly. Or you could simply ignore that cannabis is different from most plants, with larger, thicker, more hearty leaves and simply follow the instructions without question.

It's a trade off, not so much one way or the other. They specifically mention the dynamic between coverage and intensity and finding a balance suited for your plants because they know genetics of cultivated vegetation is widly diverse. It's a large tree of life- evolution via natrual selection produces astonishing variety. They are so diverse because they are distinct to their invironments, hence why some species adapt distinct traits, while the same species on another island close by develops similar, yet distinct traits of it's own. Divergence, evolution and natural selection are the reason why we can't set the lights the same for every plant. Then again, it will still grow and it's completely up to you, of course. I will also add that pretty much no cannabis plant is grown completely flat and even, although we certainly try, it's just never going to be flat. This is why we lollipop, train, etc. so we can try to absorb as much light as possible. If you keep your lights at the recommended height, really only the tops of the plant are recieving this intensity, with a dramatic drop in intensity just underneath the top set of fan leaves, or canopy. Well, by lowering the light to compromise this fulcrum, we take advantage of an average intensity, where the entire height of the plant is taken into account. So, lowering the lights leaves me with a spread of the spectra both too narrow at the top of the plant and too wide, or spread out at the bottom, so the middle of the plant is in this perfect zone, imho getting maximum efficacy of the panel. However, this is distinct to the growing method I've decided to utilize.

I can also say that there is very little risk involved with doing a bit of your own experimenting, as well. Paying close attention to the details of your own grow often leave you with far more information than if you simply asked, or faithfully follow something you think is more of a law than a guideline. Speaking in general, not just this situation. Of course, ask for help if you need it, but it's important to learn to swim independently to gain trust in your own ideas and logic, hopefully well rooted in reality and facts.

I don't know enough about the history of hid lighting, so I won't comment on that.

Keep calm and grow on... I'm happy to see another LED cultivator for sure. Don't worry about upsetting me. I don't take non-personal arguments to heart. I think they should always be heated. Scream at each other if you have to. I would rather see debate and bickering than blank pages. We learn a lot in heated exchanges. We even make new friends. For one, I'm glad you have some fight in you. It's a good thing.
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Cannateer,
My input was mainly because of the height of my tent. I can see that at 62" when the light hits the floor outside of my tent, the light can be seen as many different colors of light and each color displaced horizontally. As if the light is not in correct phase or spectral focus. The difference at close range would be different. At 62" however the displacement is about (about) 3/4" - 1". I was not trying to argue any position. I just think if a couple inches make a difference something should and can be done to adjust or make allowance for the distance, those things include fabrication a hanger, ordering a different hanger when buying a tent or as in my case, buying a taller tent. Which I should have done in the first place.
 
wildjim said:
Yea yea buddy! I can hardly wait. I will try the leaves anyway. I remember a time in the 70s when Jamaican I ever got was just leaves all would together like spaghetti. It was kick butt.
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5-7 grams? I hope that's not what your acthualy expecting??? Your kidding right? Gotta be 2 oz on her. Got a pic for today? And maybe a pop can or something for perspective?
 
Those hibiscus do look like weed plants! I might want a couple of those. Then I could probably do ah outdoor grow and just tell people those are Texas hibiscus, the weird one in middle is a.... "Calirado" blend. Get it, Cali, Colorado, weed... I make myself laugh at least
 
Stumped said:
5-7 grams? I hope that's not what your acthualy expecting??? Your kidding right? Gotta be 2 oz on her. Got a pic for today? And maybe a pop can or something for perspective?
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Here is a photo. We haven't drank a soda in 2 years. Only 1 beer a year on Veterans Day. So how about a Chicken Noodle Soup can? Sorry about the bad photo. Having a bad Glaucoma day. Light bad bad bad!

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wildjim said:
Here is a photo. We haven't drank a soda in 2 years. Only 1 beer a year on Veterans Day. So how about a Chicken Noodle Soup can? Sorry about the bad photo. Having a bad Glaucoma day. Light bad bad bad!

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I'm a total newb and i can see you're getting more than 5-7 grammes off that. I don't know what's happening on the previous page, looks like a novel writing competition. Good to see some bud porn as reward for the ultimate scrollathon lol
 
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