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Bamalabrat said:
Looks great as always FE. Uhm, just a suggestion. The 2x4 tents are very cheap and have a really small foot print. The light would be the real expense, but you could flower 4 more plants or up to 8 if you were to sog and use a screen to train the plants. That way when you get one of those great little clones again you can cut it up and throw it into flower along with a few of the extra clones. :) The extra bud could then be used to offset the cost of the light for the new tent. :) Just saying. lol (Stealth ship and make sure the wife is gone when the goodies show up. Works for me. :))
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You are right on.... I could easily grow each of my plants in this one tent... I am not worried about that actually at all.. I could get huge yield etc .. I am forcing myself to use this to remain small and varied. Just me and my wife... with extra to be given away...
I already planned out a separate veg room that is twice the size of my grow room... Veg/ work room... Then the current room just flowers... allowed to do their thing...


BUT.... "So far" I am trying to follow my state rules... 12 in veg and only 6 in flower at a time...... And that isn't even the worst part... Max allowed on hand processed is only 2.5 oz. Seriously.. Any crappy grower can get that from a single plant checking on it once a month.... ok that was a joke... just getting to harvest is a feat! My first was 5 and I gave a couple away.. yes gave...(family)

Up to 8lbs in varied drying stages so I guess my shit is never ever going to be cured....Never Ever dry... Hey baby steps.. they'll get it right eventually. So a lot of gray area but locals are really good about it...

SO that is the issue... But I will expand this more I am sure. I really want the VEG room. I keep measuring and thinking and looking... My plan will entail 2-3 LEDs and another filter set up plus some lumber and sheet rock. Really not bad.


Oh and my wife is like what ever... She did ask how come my grow room has running water and a sink but the hose outside doesn't work... lol... Just need a new spicket old one leaked so i didnt hook it up again.. spring..lol

Have a good one bro!

FE
 
the funny answer is either can happen
scenario 1- your plants drink a boat load of water and or you have some evaporation take place making the solution more potent shows ppm raising, or
scenario 2- your plants drink little water and just uptake nutes shows ppm dropping
 
G00ch said:
the funny answer is either can happen
scenario 1- your plants drink a boat load of water and or you have some evaporation take place making the solution more potent shows ppm raising, or
scenario 2- your plants drink little water and just uptake nutes shows ppm dropping
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But to follow it up are they suppose to get more of one than the other?
Should I be trying to get them to drink more or eat more ...lol
 
FE
I agree with Gooch. I saw that with mine. However I will add this that in the last 2 days, since I started using RO, I have seen my PPM's decrease daily. My plants are still drinking a lot of water, but they are also using up quite a bit of the nutes. I believe, and this is just a theory, that the reason I was seeing an increase in PPM's was the stuff in my tap water was not usable by the plants so as the water level dropped the concentration of PPM's increased. This was only aggravated by me using more tap water when I topped off my res. So every gallon was putting ~160 PPM of unusable stuff in the system.

Now that is only a theory, and it is only applicable for my system, but it does show or explain why there could be an increase in PPM's. Also another fun fact I have learned since starting this hobby, is that plants do secrete (think PooP) waste out through the roots. So this stuff would be going into the res. Now, I kinda laugh and then became very concerned when I learned this, do not be overly concerned about that. Plants do not "eat" like animals do. They pretty much only take in what they can use so there is very little waste that they excrete. Which makes sense in evolutionary terms. If they were "pooping" then the root zone would quickly become very toxic and thus kill the plant. But in hydro, it might just be enough plant poop to raise the PPM.

Now there could be another explanation for the rise, and this would be the most worrisome. Your nutes could be locked out. This could be pH, a bad batch, or something else. Watch your plants closely for signs of def. That could tell you fairly quickly what is locked out and help you to narrow it down. I had this problem a month ago with Calcium. My pH was too low for too long and the calcium was not getting to the plant. I raised the pH a little bit and viola the plants got healthy again and my PPM's went down.

So that is just my 2 cents from what I have seen in my grow. Plus a fun factoid about plant metabolism. Great journal and keep it up. :)
 
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bama is spot on. and to answer your second question you dont want to force it to do anything let it do what it does, and if it your ppm rise add more water if they fall add more nutes
And awesome roots man i took the lazy hydro way and went with ebb and flow, but damn look at those roots
 
Bamalabrat said:
FE
I agree with Gooch. I saw that with mine. However I will add this that in the last 2 days, since I started using RO, I have seen my PPM's decrease daily. My plants are still drinking a lot of water, but they are also using up quite a bit of the nutes. I believe, and this is just a theory, that the reason I was seeing an increase in PPM's was the stuff in my tap water was not usable by the plants so as the water level dropped the concentration of PPM's increased. This was only aggravated by me using more tap water when I topped off my res. So every gallon was putting ~160 PPM of unusable stuff in the system.

Now that is only a theory, and it is only applicable for my system, but it does show or explain why there could be an increase in PPM's. Also another fun fact I have learned since starting this hobby, is that plants do secrete (think PooP) waste out through the roots. So this stuff would be going into the res. Now, I kinda laugh and then became very concerned when I learned this, do not be overly concerned about that. Plants do not "eat" like animals do. They pretty much only take in what they can use so there is very little waste that they excrete. Which makes sense in evolutionary terms. If they were "pooping" then the root zone would quickly become very toxic and thus kill the plant. But in hydro, it might just be enough plant poop to raise the PPM.

Now there could be another explanation for the rise, and this would be the most worrisome. Your nutes could be locked out. This could be pH, a bad batch, or something else. Watch your plants closely for signs of def. That could tell you fairly quickly what is locked out and help you to narrow it down. I had this problem a month ago with Calcium. My pH was too low for too long and the calcium was not getting to the plant. I raised the pH a little bit and viola the plants got healthy again and my PPM's went down.

So that is just my 2 cents from what I have seen in my grow. Plus a fun factoid about plant metabolism. Great journal and keep it up. :)
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Oh no everything is going perfect right now.. Didn't feel like doing pics... lazy tonight..rofl...

The last two grows I notice as it drinks of course the PPM's go up PH goes up slower but as well... Transpiration is doing its things and I add PH'd water and it is right back to where I started.. all good. after a week or two I change it all fresh and start over..

But does this mean over feeding as a lot of people say? My water is 40 ppm out of the tap.. nutes bring it to 6.3/2 ph... so i usually need to add little PH adjust...

So i have changed schedule on feeding this grow and was lighter on the nutes heavier on the supps but it did climb same as last time...

So it had me thinking... what is better for the plant... slightly overfeeding and it takes as it needs but without burn... wouldnt that be a sign of ppm's rising....

Or very low nutes and supps I guess to the point it drinks more water... PPM's drop and it is hungry? I didnt get that low but is that how it would work?

Nice discussion thanks guys...

FE
 
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G00ch said:
bama is spot on. and to answer your second question you dont want to force it to do anything let it do what it does, and if it your ppm rise add more water if they fall add more nutes
And awesome roots man i took the lazy hydro way and went with ebb and flow, but damn look at those roots
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Sad part was she went in the trash ;/
Root ball and all...

Can't wait to see the root ball on my two in flower... DMZ has helped... still had some issues awhile ago but all new roots have been white for awhile... ever since i started using it i think..
 
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I just re read Bama .. it's the Poop isn't it... I knew it....

I'll get the toilet brush and cleaner...

just thought I'd be funny.. yah there was crud in the bottom of my last grow.. Looked like from the clay stuff but never know...
 
I really do not know what the best course of action on that is. I have a theory that I am running with in my grow. My thinking is that I want to put enough nutes in the system to support whatever growth the plant is going to make, with out burning it. I would rather the nutes be available but not needed than needed but not available.

I read before where you said you were going to go heavy on the supplements. I have to say, and again I have no experience to back this up, that I was thinking that that idea was probably a mistake. My take on it is this, the base provides everything that the plant needs in the stage that the plant is in. The supplements are there to "drive" a particular aspect of the growth. So while I agree with using supplements (I am currently using 7 different supplements from Advance Nutes) I would not give them greater weight than the base. Like for me I went to 900 PPM with my base and then added another 400 PPM with the nutes.

I did not say anything before because well I am a noob :) , also I wanted to see how your plants performed. If yours had just incredible health and budding and nug production in general, or the quality or potency were off the chains, then I really wanted to know that. :) lol. Now I will say that your girls look great and I am very envious of that PC as I stated before. So I will say that so far pushing the supplements seems to be working out very well. :)
 
Bamalabrat said:
I really do not know what the best course of action on that is. I have a theory that I am running with in my grow. My thinking is that I want to put enough nutes in the system to support whatever growth the plant is going to make, with out burning it. I would rather the nutes be available but not needed than needed but not available.

I read before where you said you were going to go heavy on the supplements. I have to say, and again I have no experience to back this up, that I was thinking that that idea was probably a mistake. My take on it is this, the base provides everything that the plant needs in the stage that the plant is in. The supplements are there to "drive" a particular aspect of the growth. So while I agree with using supplements (I am currently using 7 different supplements from Advance Nutes) I would not give them greater weight than the base. Like for me I went to 900 PPM with my base and then added another 400 PPM with the nutes.

I did not say anything before because well I am a noob :) , also I wanted to see how your plants performed. If yours had just incredible health and budding and nug production in general, or the quality or potency were off the chains, then I really wanted to know that. :) lol. Now I will say that your girls look great and I am very envious of that PC as I stated before. So I will say that so far pushing the supplements seems to be working out very well. :)
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All good all good thank you for sharing.. I as well barely above noob status... ok i still am...

Last time was all over... but usually around 1k in nutes gh lucas using the micro and bloom only... then later started the cal mag etc.. struggled around 1300 blah blah constantly mixing diluting adding BC... no frosting plants produced yield but left alot left out there...

This grow I changed a good amount.. I was totally doing less is more on this one... I could push a lot harder I am sure..

In Veg 800- 900 ppm lucas formula adding about 200-250 ppm cal mag, no candy...

Since first nute change going into Flower 500 ppm lucas mix... 350 cal mag and 300 or so on the Bud candy... thats it.

Always DMZ zone but I don't see a ppm increase from it...

pretty simple... I forgot the cal mag on the first part of flower if i recall and the n1's hated it right off... the PC just saw some tip burn.. slightly... Right after corrected nothing but growth and delicious frosting..Look at how tall the PC got.. It must have had some food? Other than me being totally sick of it 's smell even the N1's are frosting up delish!

Just throwing it out there.... Both seem to be working excellent as your grow is going to be a monster I don't know if you are ready for...

:peace:

FE
 
On the feeding / PPM topic...

My 2c based my whole 4 months experience is that I'd rather slightly under feed than over feed; IMO it's a more proactive way to manage nutrient issues... IMHO with under feeding you might get slightly slower growth, but reduce the probability of nute issues (burn, lockout, etc.). With over feeding obviously just the opposite. I'd prefer slightly slower growth over nute issues which could cause more serious problems. Also with under feeding its very easy to add a lil more nutes to find your right strength whereas in over feeding you are basically reacting to something which already impacted your plant.

But that's just me, and I don't know squat :)

Obviously a lot of people are getting good results with "over feeding" so hey; whatever works for you!
 
overfeeding and underfeeding, to me it depends on how I am growing, if its soil, I underfeed since trying to lower nutes in soil is a pain in the butt. If I am growing in hydro, I overfeed. In hydro its easy with DWC to lower the nutrient level by adding phd water with no nutes. That's just my 2 cents on the subject.

The plants look great!
 
sciguy said:
overfeeding and underfeeding, to me it depends on how I am growing, if its soil, I underfeed since trying to lower nutes in soil is a pain in the butt. If I am growing in hydro, I overfeed. In hydro its easy with DWC to lower the nutrient level by adding phd water with no nutes. That's just my 2 cents on the subject.

The plants look great!
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Thanks SG yah soil i can definitely see the benefit to low... It is so slow to respond to changes...

And yes CG totally agree the damage from burns is horrible.. My recent light nute damage will not grow trics on those sugar leaves... So if you damage a lot then your hash will be horrible or next to none like mine... Any all nute damage is bad.... worse than slow growth from under feeding... agreed there...


But if you didn't burn it at all like my PC or just the tips barely a long time ago... then wouldn't max be better as you would know it was taking the absolute most it can..(DWC) Now keep in mind the mix of supps and additives.. food.. all matter but just saying what ever the cocktail. Wouldn't that maximize the grow as long as the other things are hypothetically all correct?

All I am saying is once again as with most things in growing MJ... essentially isn't it a preference and opinion again... lol


:peace:

FE
 
Far East Buds said:
Thanks SG yah soil i can definitely see the benefit to low... It is so slow to respond to changes...

And yes CG totally agree the damage from burns is horrible.. My recent light nute damage will not grow trics on those sugar leaves... So if you damage a lot then your hash will be horrible or next to none like mine... Any all nute damage is bad.... worse than slow growth from under feeding... agreed there...


But if you didn't burn it at all like my PC or just the tips barely a long time ago... then wouldn't max be better as you would know it was taking the absolute most it can..(DWC) Now keep in mind the mix of supps and additives.. food.. all matter but just saying what ever the cocktail. Wouldn't that maximize the grow as long as the other things are hypothetically all correct?

All I am saying is once again as with most things in growing MJ... essentially isn't it a preference and opinion again... lol


:peace:

FE
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They say (whoever they is..) your 3rd grow is when you seem to have it all click for most people. I am trying to make sure.. not that i am complaining I am back to being bored in my grow room and that is definitely a good thing...
 
Bamalabrat said:
I am ready! :) lol Ok maybe not. But I know that I am ready for some smooth, heavy, face melting smoke. :)
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That will be one long day harvesting all that at once for the first one... yah plan that one ahead... lol

Took me hours on one plant.. pretty big though.. and I enjoyed it all.... ;)
 
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