GardenFaerie
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Hmm, never thought of orris root. What does it do, absorb the odors in the air the way it holds fragrance of essential oil in potpourri?
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Hmm, never thought of orris root. What does it do, absorb the odors in the air the way it holds fragrance of essential oil in potpourri?
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Exactly GF. Orris is a fixative made from a type of iris root. It traps and stabilizes the essential oils and fragrance of the other potpourri ingredients. Patchouli is another good fixative. Both orris and patchouli are common perfume ingredients for that reason. The greenhouse deodorizers are, for all practical purposes, potpourri in a muslin bag. They smell much more pleasant than ona gel - I think that stuff smells like urinal mints.
When I decided to make the deodorizers I went to a huge herb store and asked the young lady working there to show me things that smelled rank. She thought that was funny and we ran around opening up jars. I chose things that smelled strong but nothing like cannabis. I got chaparral, epazote, and a few others as well as stinky stuff from around the neighborhood that I dried. I used orris and patchouli as a fixative. There is a huge sack of it in the freezer. Since there are many fragrant perennials in the greenhouse folks just think that is what smells and it doesn't smell like weed.
It seems like the orris sucks up the weed odor.
When I decided to make the deodorizers I went to a huge herb store and asked the young lady working there to show me things that smelled rank. She thought that was funny and we ran around opening up jars. I chose things that smelled strong but nothing like cannabis. I got chaparral, epazote, and a few others as well as stinky stuff from around the neighborhood that I dried. I used orris and patchouli as a fixative. There is a huge sack of it in the freezer. Since there are many fragrant perennials in the greenhouse folks just think that is what smells and it doesn't smell like weed.
It seems like the orris sucks up the weed odor.
Happy Weednsday Pj 
PeeJay, first of all I hope I didn't offend u at all, in any way. Second great post.
U are totally right about needing a research grant, well that's not in the near future probably. Mine is simply an opinion of course. And opinions, especially in a secret illegal closet researching community are like... Well u know. I really respect your reasons for growing too, as well as your innovative style. And if u ever grow some that is TOO stinky I will take it off your hands. JK
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Truth be told, CO, your post did sort of irk me. When I go back and read it now, I'm not sure why... Chalk one up to a grumpy mood. I suppose the root of the grumpiness is that my decision to wash is an informed decision. I posted a link to a whole thread about washing and have read more than that about it, too. As I alluded to in the other post, washing is a controversial subject. If I wash and someone else doesn't that's fine.
In many ways it is like discussing whether to defoliate or not. It's a decision that is dictated by circumstance, preference and priorities. With defoliation there is a lot of information out there to read and guide personal policy decisions. Discussions about if it is good or bad are like people arguing about one band being better than another. Kind of pointless.
When I posted that I washed my harvest I didn't want to end up being some guy up on a soap box preaching the benefits of bud washing. I mentioned the washing as an aside, was asked about it by someone unfamiliar with it and posted a link to a whole thread about it.
Mr. Loadie spoke of his experience with it. I responded that bag appeal from potential aroma loss was not as important for me as a for a commercial grower. I appreciate his comment and input. Graytail noted he had seen one incidence of aroma loss and was thoughtful and insightful about the whats and whys of how that might have happened.
I feel like you misconstrued my response to Mac's post. What I said is that bag appeal is not as important to me as it is to a commercial grower. That is truth. It's not that it isn't important, it just ranks a few rungs below growing a product that serves my medicinal needs, growing in a way that I find pleasant, stress-free, and results in a smooth smoking end-product. Because I am just growing for me I can wash if I want, trim as tight or loose as I want and dink around with different strategies to my heart's content. The stakes are not nearly as high as someone who is counting on the product moving quickly on the market.
Having enough product in jars to bridge the gap if a harvest goes wrong = freedom to take risks you might not have taken otherwise. I'm there. My sphincter does not pucker-up over the little stuff anymore. Washing is little stuff for me but a big thing for someone who's looking at a couple of pounds and trying to decide what to do.
I don't have any smoke that is too aromatic to get rid of right now, lol. I do have some that may be too strong for me, however. I may swap it out with a friend for something that doesn't hammer me as hard as the Darkstar. I smoked a little dried bud last night and I have to be really careful with dosing. It is crazy potent! Someone can think that is a crazy thing to say if they want, "how can smoke be too potent?" It's all relative to individual circumstance.
In the end I realize that you meant no harm. You did sort of put me on the defensive about my priorities and growing philosophy - nothing wrong with that. I was just in a testy mood.
In many ways it is like discussing whether to defoliate or not. It's a decision that is dictated by circumstance, preference and priorities. With defoliation there is a lot of information out there to read and guide personal policy decisions. Discussions about if it is good or bad are like people arguing about one band being better than another. Kind of pointless.
When I posted that I washed my harvest I didn't want to end up being some guy up on a soap box preaching the benefits of bud washing. I mentioned the washing as an aside, was asked about it by someone unfamiliar with it and posted a link to a whole thread about it.
Mr. Loadie spoke of his experience with it. I responded that bag appeal from potential aroma loss was not as important for me as a for a commercial grower. I appreciate his comment and input. Graytail noted he had seen one incidence of aroma loss and was thoughtful and insightful about the whats and whys of how that might have happened.
I feel like you misconstrued my response to Mac's post. What I said is that bag appeal is not as important to me as it is to a commercial grower. That is truth. It's not that it isn't important, it just ranks a few rungs below growing a product that serves my medicinal needs, growing in a way that I find pleasant, stress-free, and results in a smooth smoking end-product. Because I am just growing for me I can wash if I want, trim as tight or loose as I want and dink around with different strategies to my heart's content. The stakes are not nearly as high as someone who is counting on the product moving quickly on the market.
Having enough product in jars to bridge the gap if a harvest goes wrong = freedom to take risks you might not have taken otherwise. I'm there. My sphincter does not pucker-up over the little stuff anymore. Washing is little stuff for me but a big thing for someone who's looking at a couple of pounds and trying to decide what to do.
I don't have any smoke that is too aromatic to get rid of right now, lol. I do have some that may be too strong for me, however. I may swap it out with a friend for something that doesn't hammer me as hard as the Darkstar. I smoked a little dried bud last night and I have to be really careful with dosing. It is crazy potent! Someone can think that is a crazy thing to say if they want, "how can smoke be too potent?" It's all relative to individual circumstance.
In the end I realize that you meant no harm. You did sort of put me on the defensive about my priorities and growing philosophy - nothing wrong with that. I was just in a testy mood.
Yep, I hung out in the loadie lot, that's where we solved world problems, started wars, ended wars, smoked cowboy killers, tried to get laid, and burned alot of ganja!...LOL
The washing does seem to mellow the product considerably.....but you have to consider that all these experiences are the result of specific strains....in specific situations..........washing made my weed really smoothe.
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Two liquor stores, a 7-11, a laundry mat, and a Pizza Hut?
LOL...no bro, just alotta kids kickin the question of life around and doin our best to get to tomorrow....LOL, my generation of friends was nearly wiped out for various reasons....there are very few left. We went to the liquor store later in life, by the dumpster.....LOL, where I lit the m80 and a rock hit me in the knee and knocked me down...hehe.... we went there after work!
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You've inspired me PeeJay. If I can successfully get to harvest I will try washing my bud. I'm a purist.
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Ahhh. We didn't hang out in the same loadie lot then, Mac. It's just where I grew up the cliques were jocks, nerds, stomps (cowboys), and loadies (stoners.) Loadie ain't a common term. When I moved to Wisco to go to college in '81 nobody had ever heard of loadies...
So, we hung out in different places together.
PeeJay,
Good stuff man. Sometimes I get my self worked up on something. Truth be told my personal opinion is not "don't ever wash your buds".
It's way more like, "why wash buds that don't have PM, don't get foliar fed, are relatively clean of debris"
I speak too quick sometimes. Thanks for letting me comment on your thread and glad I didn't piss ya off.
Good stuff man. Sometimes I get my self worked up on something. Truth be told my personal opinion is not "don't ever wash your buds".
It's way more like, "why wash buds that don't have PM, don't get foliar fed, are relatively clean of debris"
I speak too quick sometimes. Thanks for letting me comment on your thread and glad I didn't piss ya off.
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No worries, CO. I'm far more bothered by the testy tone I adopted than by anything you posted!
The humidity has been low here - 18-20%. The weed dried quick. It is now in jars with Boveda Packs. There were 47g when it went into the jars. It'll be interesting to see if the weight goes up or down after some time with the Boveda.
Mr. Green was asking if the smoke showed any kush character. Not in the smell which is spicy - gingerbread and citrus before curing. What I smoked last night was very hashy-kushy on the exhale. A couple of pictures - not going to win any beauty contests with the lack of colors but the tricomes are thick. Super creamy. The chlorophyll has degraded very quickly. Not a harsh smoke at this point and it will only improve in the jars.
The humidity has been low here - 18-20%. The weed dried quick. It is now in jars with Boveda Packs. There were 47g when it went into the jars. It'll be interesting to see if the weight goes up or down after some time with the Boveda.
Mr. Green was asking if the smoke showed any kush character. Not in the smell which is spicy - gingerbread and citrus before curing. What I smoked last night was very hashy-kushy on the exhale. A couple of pictures - not going to win any beauty contests with the lack of colors but the tricomes are thick. Super creamy. The chlorophyll has degraded very quickly. Not a harsh smoke at this point and it will only improve in the jars.
I like the pics. ;-) Sorry if I missed it, but what percent of amber did you wait for....if you use that as a deciding factor at all.
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Really beautiful. I am not sure why you say they aren't pretty, because they really are.
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Superb My Brother! And Congrats Again! Creamy And Hashy I Agree For Sure!
Creamy! Creamy it is for sure!
That's something I forgot to mention in the previous exchanges that we've had!
I def. understand that hashy aspect that you mention too, but I got absolutely O kushiness out of mine.
When I think of Kush, I think of that lemon-like tinge to it you know.
But whose to say that won't win any beauty contest lol.
Looks better than anything that I could buy, that's for sure!
Hope you're well and medicated brother!
& Blessings!
Ps, I can also see lots of missing trich heads, but it's done nothing to take away from the beauty of the herb as a whole, so thanks again for sharing!
I owe you a favor when you ask now!
Creamy! Creamy it is for sure!
That's something I forgot to mention in the previous exchanges that we've had!
I def. understand that hashy aspect that you mention too, but I got absolutely O kushiness out of mine.
When I think of Kush, I think of that lemon-like tinge to it you know.
But whose to say that won't win any beauty contest lol.
Looks better than anything that I could buy, that's for sure!
Hope you're well and medicated brother!
& Blessings!Ps, I can also see lots of missing trich heads, but it's done nothing to take away from the beauty of the herb as a whole, so thanks again for sharing!
I owe you a favor when you ask now!
Happy Thurweed day Pj
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lol Mr. Green. I see some not completely developed trics on the topmost sugar leaves. I don't see anything that can't be accounted for by damage done from the shears during the trim - damage that resulted in a nice ball of brown scissor hash. Beyond that, the buds went into and out of a jar a couple of times while it was drying. In the low humidity the buds where drying very quickly and spent an hour or so in a sealed environment, twice, to equalize the RH of the drying buds before they were returned to the screen where they dry. The screen probably roughed some trics up too. They also got dumped out of a jar into a different container to weigh. What else... Oh, how about handling them with gloved hands while trimming?
I welcome anyone who has pictures of a trimmed, unwashed, dry bud with nothing but pristine round headed tricomes to post up pictures here so we can compare. I didn't leave any unwashed so there is no way to ascribe any tric degradation or damage to washing and there is a veritable laundry-list of other things that always rough-up some of the outer tricomes.
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