I used the lab in all my ferments , i don't know the nitty gritty , i just go with what i think will work ,
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Can you use brewer's yeast instead of fish aminos?
Also why avocado? Why no fish oil or krill oil?
Also why avocado? Why no fish oil or krill oil?
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Oils are also forms of unsaturated fatty acid. There are tons. I only listed a single fruit/vegetable
Damnit - my arms are sore from table spooning and my eyes are crossed, but I figured out where I went wrong - I only had 253 tablespoons in my gallon jug! No wonder it didn’t work - my ratios were off!
PP - You are so freaking precise it makes my pinch of this and splash of that look totally redonk.
all right brother just pulling your leg and having some fun - have a great day
PP - You are so freaking precise it makes my pinch of this and splash of that look totally redonk.
all right brother just pulling your leg and having some fun - have a great day
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You're silly. Hahaha. The %'s were given by Microbe Man. I gave his percents to figure for yourselves. Or if math is not one's wheel house, they could just increase my measurements to their brew size.
*my new molasses is foaming up like it's full of soap! Very confused...
2nd jug after cleaning and still foaming up. I decided to let it settle and check the color for molasses concentration. It should look like the darkest sweet tea you ever seen and not like weak coffee. How's that for red neck...
@013
Don't get it twisted bruh, I come across as smart but if you ever saw me...hahahaha! You'd think the fair was in town.
*my new molasses is foaming up like it's full of soap! Very confused...
2nd jug after cleaning and still foaming up. I decided to let it settle and check the color for molasses concentration. It should look like the darkest sweet tea you ever seen and not like weak coffee. How's that for red neck...
@013 Don't get it twisted bruh, I come across as smart but if you ever saw me...hahahaha! You'd think the fair was in town.
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@copperrein
I was looking in to Brewer's Yeast. I have applied it for the Amino Acid profile. Amino Acids are the protein building blocks our plants use for growth. NCBI site has a few LENGTHY reads on the matter.
Using Brewer's Yeast for it's supply of unsaturated fatty acids? I am clueless of what it is made up of besides Aminos.
"...Saturated fatty acids predominated in the composition of total and neutral lipids, while in the polar lipid fraction the contents of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids were almost the same".
It has some but is probably not the best choice. As mentioned oils, fish, and avocado are all I have unearthed so far.
I was looking in to Brewer's Yeast. I have applied it for the Amino Acid profile. Amino Acids are the protein building blocks our plants use for growth. NCBI site has a few LENGTHY reads on the matter.
Using Brewer's Yeast for it's supply of unsaturated fatty acids? I am clueless of what it is made up of besides Aminos.
(PDF) Lipid Composition of Brewer's Yeast
PDF | The lipid fraction of the Saccharomyces uvarum yeast obtained as a by-product of industrial beer production was analyzed in order to evaluate... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
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"...Saturated fatty acids predominated in the composition of total and neutral lipids, while in the polar lipid fraction the contents of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids were almost the same".
It has some but is probably not the best choice. As mentioned oils, fish, and avocado are all I have unearthed so far.
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The AC/DC is the sole performer, so she gets a ton of "radio play". Starting this indoor grow my expectations were low due to not controlling the environment. Lights and fans...done.
Here she is Jan 15th...
Here she is Feb 1st...
...not too bad for 2 weeks of growth.
-Super Soil
-Compost Teas
-Lactobacillus
-Molasses monthly soil drench
-Weekly foliar spray
Here she is Jan 15th...
Here she is Feb 1st...
...not too bad for 2 weeks of growth.
-Super Soil
-Compost Teas
-Lactobacillus
-Molasses monthly soil drench
-Weekly foliar spray
That's the shizz right there man!
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My plants have grown well outdoors, but this AC/DC is thriving with the biological activity in it's soil.
Outdoors, I would use super soil and weekly Neem. They did well and produced well.
Indoors, it's the same soil but with treated/clean water and addition of compost teas and LABs. Those few additions to my grow have super charged the growth and I feel I have cheated myself all the previous grows.
I am getting back in touch with the more natural side of growing. Who knows how far it will go. I am dreaming of big ol containers of living soil...
she's loving life now matey
Mmmmm microbes!
My plants have grown well outdoors, but this AC/DC is thriving with the biological activity in it's soil.
Outdoors, I would use super soil and weekly Neem. They did well and produced well.
Indoors, it's the same soil but with treated/clean water and addition of compost teas and LABs. Those few additions to my grow have super charged the growth and I feel I have cheated myself all the previous grows.
I am getting back in touch with the more natural side of growing. Who knows how far it will go. I am dreaming of big ol containers of living soil...
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I used to apply an all purpose to my bonsai mothers. It was organic and simple. It coincided with growing outdoors; i got away from teas.
There was no good clean treated water. The whole yard is drip system and I am not renewing filters for the garden; too much.
Now that my grow is shrinking on a scale i can manage personally, the compost teas are back.
Here is the AC/DC mother and she is showing great color in her new growth and my worries are eased.
I usually experience Mag def with my Bonsai's, outside of the usual all purpose. With this tea recipe, it all seems to be covered.
I regret ever getting away from them because i can see how much happier my plants are with all this activity in their rhizophere.
There was no good clean treated water. The whole yard is drip system and I am not renewing filters for the garden; too much.
Now that my grow is shrinking on a scale i can manage personally, the compost teas are back.
Here is the AC/DC mother and she is showing great color in her new growth and my worries are eased.
I usually experience Mag def with my Bonsai's, outside of the usual all purpose. With this tea recipe, it all seems to be covered.
I regret ever getting away from them because i can see how much happier my plants are with all this activity in their rhizophere.
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The next journey is going to involve getting that Fish Amino Acid going again and Fermented Plant Juice.
I screwed up last time and didn't treat the water I used. That will change. Then this fermented plant juice, it's a process of taking whatever plant or vegetable matter handy and mixing that with equal parts sugar & molasses and 30ml of LABs and let it sit loosely capped for 7-14 days. Strain and bottle. It keeps for ~12 months.
I think Nutty is already running concoctions like this. I do believe that I can even grab a bunch of weeds from around the yard as well.
I screwed up last time and didn't treat the water I used. That will change. Then this fermented plant juice, it's a process of taking whatever plant or vegetable matter handy and mixing that with equal parts sugar & molasses and 30ml of LABs and let it sit loosely capped for 7-14 days. Strain and bottle. It keeps for ~12 months.
I think Nutty is already running concoctions like this. I do believe that I can even grab a bunch of weeds from around the yard as well.
There's a list of preferred plants. I forget what's in them but a special magic. Dandelions are on top of the list. I wish I could remember the name of the goodness I'm trying to think of, it would lead us to the list. I have a feeling @Emilya remembers?
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I am just scraping the surface right now. I am heavily reasearching this topic and I appreciate all input at this point.
My 1st search shows a 1:1 ratio of plants to sugar. This recent read states a 3:1 (plants to sugar). This last read is a touch more detailed. I found this at (businessdairy).com.pH ...so...
Materials needed in making Fermented Plant Juice
* Local plants that are fast growing like kangkong, legumes and grasses. You can also use bamboo shoots, asparagus shoots, actively growing plant parts and young fruits of cucumber, squash, melon, watermelon, ampalaya and other cucurbits.
* Weed species that are found growing in the production area, young leaves of trees, banana trunks, young leaves and fruits of stress tolerant crops are also good materials for Fermented Plant Juice.
* You can use either crude sugar or molasses or whichever is available and can be bought at a lower price.
* You will need basin, ceramic pot or plastic pail, net bag or cloth bag, paper or cloth for cover, string, stone as weight, bolo, chopping board, marking pen and glass jars.
Steps in Making Fermented Plant Juice
1. Collect the plant materials early in the morning while they are fresh and the microorganisms are still present. Do not wash the plant materials.
2. Cut the plant materials into small pieces so that the juice can be easily extracted.
3. Put 3 kg chopped plant materials in a basin, add 1 kg crude sugar or molasses, then mix thoroughly with your hands. Make sure that all plant materials are mixed with sugar so that the juice can be extracted easily.
4. Put the mixture in a net bag or cloth bag. This is done so that the extracted juice will ooze from all sides of the bag.
5. Put the bagged mixture in a ceramic pot or plastic pail, and put weight to compress the mixture. Stone is a good material used to weigh down the mixture.
6. Cover the pot or pail with paper or cloth, and secure with a string or rubber band. Paper or cloth is used as cover to allow some air to get inside the pot and for the gas that is being produced during the fermentation process to escape. On the cover, write the date of processing and the expected date of harvest
7. Store the container with the bagged mixture in a cool dry shady place. Make sure that the storage area is not infested with cockroaches or mice, because they might feed on the mixture and contaminate the extract. In 7 days, plant juice is extracted and fermented. The plant extract will change its color from green to yellow, then to brown and will smell sweet and alcoholic.
8. After 7 days, lift the bagged mixture and squeeze hard to get the remaining extracts
9. Collect the fermented extracts and preserve in dark colored glass jar. To cover the jar, use paper or cloth to allow the gas to escape during further fermentation, then, store in a cool, shady place. You may add the plant residue to the compost pile to hasten decomposition or you can apply it to the garden plots as source of organic matter. Use your Fermented Plant Juice more effectively if it is stored for another one week after completion.
Uses and rates of application of Fermented Plant Juice
* As seed treatment before sowing – soak the seeds in 0.2 % solution for 4 to 5 hours to facilitate germination and as a start-up solution to germinating seeds.
* As a natural growth enhancer – Fermented Plant Juice made from actively growing plant parts and fast growing plants may contain natural growth hormones and mineralized nitrogen that promotes plant growth. Mix 1 teaspoon of Fermented Plant Juice per liter of water and spray on the leaves or apply directly to the soil around the plants from seedling stage up to pre-flowering stage. You can apply weekly or depending on plant vigor. Please note that with the use of Fermented Plant Juice, there is no overdose; you may use it liberally. However, the soil must be watered first before applying Fermented Plant Juice to avoid scorching of the roots.
* Apply Fermented Plant Juice to the soil to serve as source of energy to accelerate activities of soil microorganism. This activity will make the nutrients available to the plants.
* Give Fermented Plant Juice, as drink, to livestock at 1 tbsp/liter to increase microbial activities in gastrointestinal tracts. This would result to better absorption of nutrients.
* Spray to animal beddings to hasten manure decomposition.
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This is what I am after now. I think I am going to get away from these expensive amendments if I can get this method working for me. Top dressing will still be a part of my technique, I just won't lean so heavily on it. The microbes will continue to get fed but through these fermented juices.
My 1st search shows a 1:1 ratio of plants to sugar. This recent read states a 3:1 (plants to sugar). This last read is a touch more detailed. I found this at (businessdairy).com.pH ...so...
Materials needed in making Fermented Plant Juice
* Local plants that are fast growing like kangkong, legumes and grasses. You can also use bamboo shoots, asparagus shoots, actively growing plant parts and young fruits of cucumber, squash, melon, watermelon, ampalaya and other cucurbits.
* Weed species that are found growing in the production area, young leaves of trees, banana trunks, young leaves and fruits of stress tolerant crops are also good materials for Fermented Plant Juice.
* You can use either crude sugar or molasses or whichever is available and can be bought at a lower price.
* You will need basin, ceramic pot or plastic pail, net bag or cloth bag, paper or cloth for cover, string, stone as weight, bolo, chopping board, marking pen and glass jars.
Steps in Making Fermented Plant Juice
1. Collect the plant materials early in the morning while they are fresh and the microorganisms are still present. Do not wash the plant materials.
2. Cut the plant materials into small pieces so that the juice can be easily extracted.
3. Put 3 kg chopped plant materials in a basin, add 1 kg crude sugar or molasses, then mix thoroughly with your hands. Make sure that all plant materials are mixed with sugar so that the juice can be extracted easily.
4. Put the mixture in a net bag or cloth bag. This is done so that the extracted juice will ooze from all sides of the bag.
5. Put the bagged mixture in a ceramic pot or plastic pail, and put weight to compress the mixture. Stone is a good material used to weigh down the mixture.
6. Cover the pot or pail with paper or cloth, and secure with a string or rubber band. Paper or cloth is used as cover to allow some air to get inside the pot and for the gas that is being produced during the fermentation process to escape. On the cover, write the date of processing and the expected date of harvest
7. Store the container with the bagged mixture in a cool dry shady place. Make sure that the storage area is not infested with cockroaches or mice, because they might feed on the mixture and contaminate the extract. In 7 days, plant juice is extracted and fermented. The plant extract will change its color from green to yellow, then to brown and will smell sweet and alcoholic.
8. After 7 days, lift the bagged mixture and squeeze hard to get the remaining extracts
9. Collect the fermented extracts and preserve in dark colored glass jar. To cover the jar, use paper or cloth to allow the gas to escape during further fermentation, then, store in a cool, shady place. You may add the plant residue to the compost pile to hasten decomposition or you can apply it to the garden plots as source of organic matter. Use your Fermented Plant Juice more effectively if it is stored for another one week after completion.
Uses and rates of application of Fermented Plant Juice
* As seed treatment before sowing – soak the seeds in 0.2 % solution for 4 to 5 hours to facilitate germination and as a start-up solution to germinating seeds.
* As a natural growth enhancer – Fermented Plant Juice made from actively growing plant parts and fast growing plants may contain natural growth hormones and mineralized nitrogen that promotes plant growth. Mix 1 teaspoon of Fermented Plant Juice per liter of water and spray on the leaves or apply directly to the soil around the plants from seedling stage up to pre-flowering stage. You can apply weekly or depending on plant vigor. Please note that with the use of Fermented Plant Juice, there is no overdose; you may use it liberally. However, the soil must be watered first before applying Fermented Plant Juice to avoid scorching of the roots.
* Apply Fermented Plant Juice to the soil to serve as source of energy to accelerate activities of soil microorganism. This activity will make the nutrients available to the plants.
* Give Fermented Plant Juice, as drink, to livestock at 1 tbsp/liter to increase microbial activities in gastrointestinal tracts. This would result to better absorption of nutrients.
* Spray to animal beddings to hasten manure decomposition.
...
This is what I am after now. I think I am going to get away from these expensive amendments if I can get this method working for me. Top dressing will still be a part of my technique, I just won't lean so heavily on it. The microbes will continue to get fed but through these fermented juices.
Have you found Chris Trump? Yeah I know. He's a great source of knf style grow info.
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Yo, stoney...I will search him now. Thank you.
Here's her tutorials if you haven't seen them. Emmie's Links
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We took off out of town for 4 days; not very long. I got back and the plant was droopy. I thought it was due to being near to lights off.
I woke up in the morning and she looked the same. I thought she was not liking the amount if tea.
It turns out she was just thirsty. She drank it up and perked back up.
So in a fit of anxiety i searched all over the house until I found a few binder clips (LST gold for indoors) and started the training. She will probably be flipped the end of this week. That stalk in the middle will likely be topped as well, leaving a sole shoot in the middle.
I really have no plans; only keep her short.
I woke up in the morning and she looked the same. I thought she was not liking the amount if tea.
It turns out she was just thirsty. She drank it up and perked back up.
So in a fit of anxiety i searched all over the house until I found a few binder clips (LST gold for indoors) and started the training. She will probably be flipped the end of this week. That stalk in the middle will likely be topped as well, leaving a sole shoot in the middle.
I really have no plans; only keep her short.
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