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Check out microbeman. He is wonderfully simple to understand. He has his own website or page.

I can't link it, but a simple search will pull him up. He is very scientific in his approach and tells you exactly what he found and the effects that certain inputs had on the populations.

He also instructs how to harvest more fungi than bacteria, dependent on the stage of growth you are at.

Microbeman. ;)
 
Patient Puffer said:
Check out microbeman. He is wonderfully simple to understand. He has his own website or page.

I can't link it, but a simple search will pull him up. He is very scientific in his approach and tells you exactly what he found and the effects that certain inputs had on the populations.

He also instructs how to harvest more fungi than bacteria, dependent on the stage of growth you are at.

Microbeman. ;)
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The Aussie?
 
copperrein said:
The Aussie?
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Compost Tea

Compost tea is the controlled extraction of microorganisms and nutrients from a small amount of high-quality compost (and nutrient sources) into water.
www.gardenerspantry.ca
 
Given my grow is on a much smaller scale, I can easily make enough tea. I had to dig a bit to get my little pump.

Most will say an aquarium pump is too small for a 5 gal bucket. It could be, but it comes down to air stone placement.

For a little 1 gal jug, 2 little air stones is more than enough. I just got the treatment in the water. I forgot it all! Hahahaha. I need to review. I am off to a solid start, though. LOL!

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Patient Puffer said:
Given my grow is on a much smaller scale, I can easily make enough tea. I had to dig a bit to get my little pump.

Most will say an aquarium pump is too small for a 5 gal bucket. It could be, but it comes down to air stone placement.

For a little 1 gal jug, 2 little air stones is more than enough. I just got the treatment in the water. I forgot it all! Hahahaha. I need to review. I am off to a solid start, though. LOL!

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I just ordered air stones and bags for teas yesterday. I also ordered ascorbic acid to get the Chloramines out of my water. Anyone else using ascorbic acid?
 
Ascorbic acid? Is that like vitamin C?

There are Vitamin C filters out there to filter out these bad things like chlorine and chloramines.

I personally have been using a liquid fish tank conditioner.
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Though, upon reading the label, the bottle asks to only use this product on ornamental fish and NOT fish intended for human consumption. Hmmm...makes me wonder if there is a concern using it on cannabis amd consuming that.

Quick, Robin! To the web!
 
Patient Puffer said:
Ascorbic acid? Is that like vitamin C?

There are Vitamin C filters out there to filter out these bad things like chlorine and chloramines.

I personally have been using a liquid fish tank conditioner.
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Though, upon reading the label, the bottle asks to only use this product on ornamental fish and NOT fish intended for human consumption. Hmmm...makes me wonder if there is a concern using it on cannabis amd consuming that.

Quick, Robin! To the web!
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I don't think your gonna continue using that... lol Please correct my research I found. I ordered a big bottle of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) powder form. My biggest problem is measurement for five gallons bucket. It's like a 5th of a teaspoon.
 
The planter has sat around long enough for me to see my conservative filling of the pot resulted in a chunk of the pot not being used.

This combined with the AC/DC bunching up the bottom growth, I eliminated the bottom growth and topped off the pot with more super soil.
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The soil is a touch hot with nitrogen. It is causing minor clawing on a couple of blades. Not so horrible its a wash, but i definitely won't be adding anymore N for some time.

She has got her feet under her and is showing great growth and color.
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Her blades are coming in thicker and she has got that velvety feel to her leaves. Teas are kept on the low N side and mainly have EWC + Kelp & Rock Phophate.

Both the EWC and Molasses bring N. I am needing to watch her closely and be sure these little teas don't push her over the edge.

I will post that info here shortly.
 
Well after a little research to gather a consensus on these inputs, it would seem both bring a low N number.

Molasses - (1-0-5)

EWC - (1-0-0)

So hopefully using only molasses as a food source for the microbes and EWC to BRING the microbes, I am not pushing the N envelope.

Careful watching of the leaf tips will let me know if I need to back off the teas. The soil is not lacking much, but I am needing to get a fert regimen together for the mother bonsai plants. So since there is a surplus of this tea, i am applying to the AC/DC and see how it goes.

It was a hurdle to get the stuff rounded up and shrink the overall size to match my need, but it won't stop now that it is going.
 
Looks like she's off to a good start and being cared for well.

Plant Daddy said:
Anyone else using ascorbic acid?
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I use a product called neutralise from ecothrive. It's ready diluted. Cheaper to buy a bag of ascorbic acid but I thought it would be a hassle figuring out and measuring the right amount to dilute. For £5 I got a 50ml bottle that has a dropper. 1 drop per L of water so it lasts a while.
 
VetSmoke85 said:
Looks like she's off to a good start and being cared for well.


I use a product called neutralise from ecothrive. It's ready diluted. Cheaper to buy a bag of ascorbic acid but I thought it would be a hassle figuring out and measuring the right amount to dilute. For £5 I got a 50ml bottle that has a dropper. 1 drop per L of water so it lasts a while.
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Nice... I couldn't find it in liquid form.... I'll take a better look in a few years when I Finnish bottle of powder I bought..
 
Plant Daddy said:
Nice... I couldn't find it in liquid form.... I'll take a better look in a few years when I Finnish bottle of powder I bought..
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I just read that 1000mg will dechlorinate a bathtub of water. Quick Google search says the average bathtub will hold 42 gallons. Works out just under 24mg per gallon.
 
VetSmoke85 said:
I just read that 1000mg will dechlorinate a bathtub of water. Quick Google search says the average bathtub will hold 42 gallons. Works out just under 24mg per gallon.
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About a hundred mg for five gallon.. lol don't know how to measure that...lol I need thinkers like you VetSmoke. I give up on calculations way to fast.
 
Plant Daddy said:
About a hundred mg for five gallon.. lol don't know how to measure that...lol I need thinkers like you VetSmoke. I give up on calculations way to fast.
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Probably best to make a bottle of concentrate that can be measured out by drops from a pipette. That'll involve some maths that I'm too tired to try and figure out right now. :rofl: I'll have a go tomorrow.
 
Patient Puffer said:
Given my grow is on a much smaller scale, I can easily make enough tea. I had to dig a bit to get my little pump.

Most will say an aquarium pump is too small for a 5 gal bucket. It could be, but it comes down to air stone placement.

For a little 1 gal jug, 2 little air stones is more than enough. I just got the treatment in the water. I forgot it all! Hahahaha. I need to review. I am off to a solid start, though. LOL!

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Your milk jug is making me home sick.. Did you know Bayview is the exact same milk as the SunnySide but less expensive.
 
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The AC/DC is chugging along at 2 weeks after transplant and she is doing way better than I thought she would. I know I can grow outdoors...well, I know I can build a soil and put a plant in it. ;) That is not technically growing. Indoors is a total game changer. If you don't supply it, it is not there.

Much respect for you indoor growers. Watch your rear view though, patient's organics are closing in. ;)

This lovely lady is the sole enjoyer of a simple little Mars TS600. This light was originally bought for my veg compartment and might I add, it is doing a great job.
 
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The tea got a touch foamy this time. I added some emulsion in to it, since it was only for the mothers. Emulsion always foams for me, also there may have been a worm in the castings.

The plants are liking it so i will post what I am using. I am only brewing <1 gallon at a time, so my measurements are for 1 gallon. However the recipe is actually broken down by %'s as well.

1 gallon = 256 Tbsp

EWC @ 2.38% = 0.375 cups (6 Tbsp)

Molasses @ 0.5% = 1.28 Tbsp

Kelp Meal @ 0.25% = 1.92 tsp

Rock Phophate @ 0.063% = 0.48 tsp

Alflafa Meal @ 0.25% = 1.92 tsp

Hydrosylate @ 0.063% = 0.48 tsp

All that in a little jug seems a bit much. I have my EWC @ 1/4 cup, molasses @ 1 Tbsp, all other inputs @ 1/4 tsp or less. I also have no Fish Hydrosylate nor Fish Amino Acid. I do have a fat jug of emulsion. Unfortunately it is not the same. The plants are digging it anyways and I will start to increase the inputs and see how it goes.
 
Next we are going to touch on Hexanoate.

RoyalQueenSeeds has broken it down to its bare essentials...

".... As they digest sugars, your LABs create a short-chain fatty acid called hexanoate as a byproduct. Cannabis plants synthesise hexanoate to produce terpenes and cannabinoids..."

There it is. Lactobacillus is actually very common and is present anywhere something is decaying. They are readily present in the first 15 cm of the soil.

However, their link to NCBI site stated nothing of the sort. The NCBI link was for "priming plant resistance", which still could be a lovely read.

I did find this nugget of joy over at the National Library of Medicine speaking of the Hexanoyl-CoA (?) precursor synthatase for cannabinoid biosynthesis.

The hexanoyl-CoA precursor for cannabinoid biosynthesis is formed by an acyl-activating enzyme in Cannabis sativa trichomes - PubMed

The psychoactive and analgesic cannabinoids (e.g. Δ(9) -tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)) in Cannabis sativa are formed from the short-chain fatty acyl-coenzyme A (CoA) precursor hexanoyl-CoA. Cannabinoids are synthesized in glandular trichomes present mainly on female flowers. We quantified...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"...the trichome-specific expression of CsAAE1 suggest that it is the hexanoyl-CoA synthetase that supplies the cannabinoid pathway..."

"...hexanoate may be formed through a pathway that involves the oxygenation and breakdown of unsaturated fatty acids".

Pretty neat stuff. This by no means applying LABs to the soil is going to launch your plants in to orbit. Theoretically though, if a fremented concoction of avocado (source of unsaturated fatty acid) broken down by LABs (lactobacillus) was applied to the soil, there should be an abundance of Hexanoate? A precursor synthatase that plants use to form cannabinoids.
 
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