PakaloloHawaii's LED High Brix Perpetual!

tavosvo i didnt mean your plants didnt look great i have been following silently for awhile on a bunch of these high brix journals and just had to point it out.Your plants do look great and im sure it will be everything your hoping for.But just because someone isnt growing in the kit does not mean they arent getting high brix.Just because the brix level is high does not guarantee a great smoke.I think if i started a journal and took brix readings and called it my high brix grow everyone would flame me..just my thoughts,im not even a high school graduate but i do consider myself intelligent.I know no one has stated you must use this kit to get high brix but i think alot of people less versed in chemistry and botany are confused and think we need to buy the kit to get high brix. great grow and i was simply taking an oppurtunity to get into a friendly debate.
 
just stopping by to say rock on and loving the thread conversations, glad to see no one getting hostile over differing views.....alot of people cant handle it lol:theband::tommy::headbang:

your plants look great!!
 
tokersmokeg said:
tavosvo i didnt mean your plants didnt look great i have been following silently for awhile on a bunch of these high brix journals and just had to point it out.Your plants do look great and im sure it will be everything your hoping for.But just because someone isnt growing in the kit does not mean they arent getting high brix.Just because the brix level is high does not guarantee a great smoke.I think if i started a journal and took brix readings and called it my high brix grow everyone would flame me..just my thoughts,im not even a high school graduate but i do consider myself intelligent.I know no one has stated you must use this kit to get high brix but i think alot of people less versed in chemistry and botany are confused and think we need to buy the kit to get high brix. great grow and i was simply taking an oppurtunity to get into a friendly debate.
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Not the only way bro, but as far as I know, it is walking down a path well paved. Compared to synthetic nutes this is way easier. I used to grow in dwc, so many bottles of this and that, and all up to me to decide what to add.

How could I possibly know what the plant wants more than the plant? When we feed the soil and not the plant, we need to rely on the soil to do the work for us. If we don't help the soil, plant health and brix go down. If we charge the soil so the biota are hyper active, plant tells the soil what it wants, the soil makes it, and plant health and brix go up.

It's not the only way, it's just a really easy way.

Doc has made several mentions that high brix soil won't grow some popular hybrid strains how we are used to. To grow OG kush like how people recognize, he had to ruin the brix a little by adding P to the bottom of the pot.

So you're right, in the case of OG kush, high brix #s won't always ensure the best OG kush, but it will be great stuff, maybe not what you're used to though, and that can have an effect on interpretation of quality.
 
tavosvo said:
Not the only way bro, but as far as I know, it is walking down a path well paved. Compared to synthetic nutes this is way easier. I used to grow in dwc, so many bottles of this and that, and all up to me to decide what to add.

How could I possibly know what the plant wants more than the plant? When we feed the soil and not the plant, we need to rely on the soil to do the work for us. If we don't help the soil, plant health and brix go down. If we charge the soil so the biota are hyper active, plant tells the soil what it wants, the soil makes it, and plant health and brix go up.

It's not the only way, it's just a really easy way.

Doc has made several mentions that high brix soil won't grow some popular hybrid strains how we are used to. To grow OG kush like how people recognize, he had to ruin the brix a little by adding P to the bottom of the pot.

So you're right, in the case of OG kush, high brix #s won't always ensure the best OG kush, but it will be great stuff, maybe not what you're used to though, and that can have an effect on interpretation of quality.
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very well put IMO:high-five:
 
i would hardy say its walking down a path well paved.Docs kit came out how long ago?chemical nutes have been out for at least 50 years..i do appreciate we can have a debate without someone calling the other person stupid.Tavosvo sorry for filling your thread.Ive heard countless times the original chemdog can not acheive full potency without chemical ferts.By breeders growers etc..ID say we are guinea pigs for this high brix kit.. and that growing in this kit does not gurantee high brix or even if there is high brix numbers it does not correlate to potency or flavor..I dont want to sound argumentative i just want growers to know this isnt the only way and its far from scientific to assume high brix equals high potency or yeild.
 
tokersmokeg said:
i would hardy say its walking down a path well paved.Docs kit came out how long ago?chemical nutes have been out for at least 50 years..i do appreciate we can have a debate without someone calling the other person stupid.Tavosvo sorry for filling your thread.Ive heard countless times the original chemdog can not acheive full potency without chemical ferts.By breeders growers etc..ID say we are guinea pigs for this high brix kit.. and that growing in this kit does not gurantee high brix or even if there is high brix numbers it does not correlate to potency or flavor..I dont want to sound argumentative i just want growers to know this isnt the only way and its far from scientific to assume high brix equals high potency or yeild.
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Stop trolling
 
i thought we were having a debate but oh well. i will unsuscribe funny how an internet forum or discussion board becomes a place for people to argue.I dont think i violated any forum rules it seemed like we where having a friendly discussion.Peace to all
 
tokersmokeg said:
i would hardy say its walking down a path well paved.Docs kit came out how long ago?chemical nutes have been out for at least 50 years..i do appreciate we can have a debate without someone calling the other person stupid.Tavosvo sorry for filling your thread.Ive heard countless times the original chemdog can not acheive full potency without chemical ferts.By breeders growers etc..ID say we are guinea pigs for this high brix kit.. and that growing in this kit does not gurantee high brix or even if there is high brix numbers it does not correlate to potency or flavor..I dont want to sound argumentative i just want growers to know this isnt the only way and its far from scientific to assume high brix equals high potency or yeild.
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Brother, who are you trying to convince? As far as I'm concerned, the kit works really well. I don't test my plants for brix numbers, I test them by growing them and smoking them. I've smoked plenty weed that I know nothing about. Some was great some was shit. I've smoked homegrown, and it's usually crap. I did my best to make a perfect environment, used docs kit, and grew something I'm more than happy to smoke. Total cost for nutrients and soil? Less than two bottles of some AN over priced synthetic shit.

I know that the things we feed and spray are safe to use and consume. I can't say that about synthetic nutes and bud boosters and trich blasters and resin rockers and candy this and sweet sugar that. Super growth hormone, ultra plant magic, profit oriented voodoo juice magic snake oil shit. I don't want any of that expensive silly crap.

That's great that you heard chemdawg needs salt ferts to be most potent. Doc has stated many times that there are prohibition era strains bred in high salt hydro that won't do as good in kit soil as a landrace strain.

Again I don't care about brix numbers...I care about really nice smelling frosty plants with no guessing and proven methods and products safe for consumption. The company that makes the kit is high brix oriented organic produce for high end restaurants that pay big bucks!!! This is tested it does work. In fruits and veggies I bet they have solid research, data, proof that what they are doing is quite possibly not the only, but definitely a sure way to extremely nutrient dense and healthy foods. That is the goal - nutrient density. While you direct your arguments at docs kit and some of us using it, it really seems like you are saying that the guys that did finish high school, and then college, and then, with phd's, started a company that specialized in high brix, nutrient dense, ultra healthy gardening. They are educated professionals that really seem to be interested in quality of end produce and furthering the science of growing healthy food rather than profits. Hard to argue that what they're doing isn't totally awesome and exactly what some people are looking for. My quest for no bugs led me here, and in the process of eliminating the bugs, I've grown some fucking amazing weed. You won't be able to convince me otherwise.

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Stop trolling
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Thank you
 
tavosvo said:
All this discussion because my blue has some claw...




Doc id love it if you were right, but since the flip she's only had 5ml of energy. I was hoping/thinking it was a leaf mutation. I will mention that this girl stretched like a mofo and the long colas are 12in from my 1200w led. The bottom branches don't show nearly as much claw.

Didn't expect my 1 foot plant to end up 4 feet tall....note to self - train that bitch better next time!
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Foliar spray with epsom salt twice a week for a while and see what happens? That can help a ton. Also, keep the soil energy real low....weak feed.
 
Good luck Tav, hope it helps im interested in how to fix it too myself for future reference!:peace:
 
Well I'm happy to report that my smaller blue hammer, which was supposed to be the bigger one with longer veg.. while it did not stretch very much, smells of intense cocoa. Powdery chocolate bitter stank. Wow Ive never smelled anything like it. Can't wait to give her the cat drench in 10 days or so and see what smells we discover then...amazing so far. Two very different phenos..one stretchy berry sweet one and one short bushy dark cocoa yum yum stink. I have a very berry blue hammer male that is about a week from throwing some pollen so I'll be hoping for the best...controlled pollination of both #2 and #3 and hopefully save a bit to dust the syntax.

Oh ya, one of my cougar piss made a recovery and is pretty much keeping pace with the daydreams...

Cheehuuu
 
Here are the two blue hammers. I don't know about the big one. She smells "sweet" and that's about it. Very vigorous growth/stretch in bloom with good internode spacing, but low trichome production so far. I'd go as far as saying "poor trich production". Hopefully she'll start doing backflips and try to impress me. Beautiful structure though...

The smaller one, I'll call the cocoa pheno, she is doing much better in terms of trichomes. Very little stretch though had me disappointed with her apparent final size.

Hoping for some bomb smoke from these girls otherwise their clones will likely end up as compost!

I'll step into the garden and snap some photos of the veg plants like I said I would. While one of my extremas did hermie, I kept the other's clone to keep as a bonsai mom. Not sure what's going on but while my syntax mom is very veg like in appearance, the extrema mom is blowing up with preflowers and has resin on some leaves. I think that the GLR light schedule is allowing flowering hormones to build up, but not quite enough to bud. Very close though and I wonder about long term storage of moms under GLR. Might be fine though as I have no real problems so far.

Pics!

Blue hammer #3 week 7

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Blue hammer #2 "cocoa pheno". Sorry she is droopy..I thought she was good on water, and well, she wasn't. I'll try not to make that mistake again...

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Looking great Tavosvo!!!! I read your comment about keeping moms under GLR... I kept my blue dream mom, pre 98 mom under GLR for many months, probably over 6-9 months or even longer and didn't have any issues. I did have to keep trimming the crap out of them though because they just wanted to keep growing, so about 1x per month I would come in and trim them like a bush, and within weeks, they already were branched out again and full :)

Your ladies are looking great!!!
 
thats crazy how diff those BH's are...they look great though keep it rocking brotha!!:high-five:
 
Week 8 for this sativa dominant pheno of blue hammer...I see her hanging around for at least another month, I wouldn't be surprised for her to go longer than that..getting some trichs seems like she turning around, some claw has reversed it self, and getting some decent leaf shine. Overall I'm happier than I was last week. The cocoa lady is doing good as well. Just got her first cat drench the other day..ready for some amazing from this one in the next few weeks.

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And here is the cocoa lady.. Took these pics a few days ago, before her first cat drench two days ago..she responded very well - tons of new white pistils and nice calyx formation. She is two weeks behind BH#3 but almost looks a week ahead. Way smaller plant. Very little stretch. Crazy smells from this one. Cocoa and berries now...seems to be changing..I'll post new pics of her after the second cat drench to show he differnce.

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