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Sorry y'all I've been dealing with a sick dog, so I haven't been posting alot.
My rat'''' has pancreatitis. Which has become diabetes. Just took him down to the little hospital and hey started treatment. Suckers wanted 4 grand to get started treating him so I had to opt for home treatment.
He got his first shot this morning.. so we'll have to see how he is tomorrow morning......
Welcome to my nightmare @PCaddict.
Hope all's gardens are doing good out there Keepem Green
My rat'''' has pancreatitis. Which has become diabetes. Just took him down to the little hospital and hey started treatment. Suckers wanted 4 grand to get started treating him so I had to opt for home treatment.
He got his first shot this morning.. so we'll have to see how he is tomorrow morning......
Welcome to my nightmare @PCaddict.
Hope all's gardens are doing good out there Keepem Green
ilikemsticky
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sorry bud hope the little guy is ok my mother inlaws wiener dog got that and she changed his food and hes pretty much been good since couple years now im going to find out what that food is its not cheap but it turned him around ill get back to ya in just a bit!
ilikemsticky
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hey woody this is the stuff bud this is all that wiener has had for a couple years good luck man!
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Thanks, Sticky. Yea we tried that one when they first said it was pancreatitis. Is costy but I'd gladly pay 10 times it if helps? He ate that for a minute. Then stopped.. We hope he gets some appetite back, and he does seem abit better after the second shot of insulin. Right now we are having to feed him with a fork to get food down. With his eating so fucked up we had to switch back to his favorite food so he eats a meal before the shot.
I feel bad for the little guy. Sucks when a pet gets sick..
But thanks,, and we will be using it again,,, once he starts eating again. That is what the vet recommended too...
BTW is that little rat of your mother in law's is it taking shots?
I feel bad for the little guy. Sucks when a pet gets sick..
But thanks,, and we will be using it again,,, once he starts eating again. That is what the vet recommended too...
BTW is that little rat of your mother in law's is it taking shots?
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We have 4 dogs three GSDs and one Rat Terrier The Rat Terrier is at least 18 and starting to show her age. Up till the last couple months she ran and played a lot and our oldest GSD is 8 and she isn't as active as she used to be but she still runs and plays the other two are 6 and 4. I will hate the day we have to put any of them down. None of ours are sick but I dread the day that they start getting bad off. I hope everything works out. We Love our Fur babies better then most people
ilikemsticky
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hey woody she started that dog rite from the get go and that's all he eats I think because he went rite on that food it turned him around or he may have ended up with diabetes to sorry bud I hope you can nurse him back to health good luck to you and miss j!
I feel for ya', Brother!
I'm on my 3rd Golden Retriever, now, after losing my first two to cancer. I've learned a whole lot about pet food, since then, and now I cook all of the dog food and treats for this one. It's a lot of work, requires some freezer space, and doesn't really save any money, but I know exactly what the dog is getting.
Here's some info on treating pancreatitis in dogs:
The information below on homeopathic remedies, diet and supplements comes from the protocol homeopath Julie Anne Lee DCH RCSHom uses at her holistic vet clinic.
Short Term
Step 1: Fast your dog
Give the pancreas a rest by fasting your dog for 24 to 48 hours.
Since pancreatitis is essentially just inflammation, the best thing you can do to relieve the symptoms is to rest the pancreas and remove any stimulation caused by eating. Give very small sips of room temperature bottled water. Count to 5, then remove the water. If your dog can keep it down, repeat every hour. Or, instead of counting, give about 3 tablespoons for a medium size dog (give less for toy breeds and more for large breeds).
Step 2: Bland food
Once you’ve given the pancreas time to rest and you notice the symptoms have improved or gone away, start feeding a small amount of bland food, such as bone broth. Be sure to cool the broth and skim off the fat that sets on the top before giving it to your dog, to keep the fat to a minimum.
[Related] Bone broth is easy to make and so good for your dog. Here’s how to do it.
Short-term food reintroduction. To give the body time to recover gradually, Julie Anne Lee recommends cooking food for three days, making sure there is NO bone in the diet, and blotting ALL fat. Feed 6 times the first day, in very small amounts. If your dog’s symptoms have gone away, you can then work your way back up to the regular feeding schedule over the next 3 days by cooking the food less each day until it’s back to raw.
Step 3: Homeopathy
Use the following homeopathic remedies to relieve the pain and inflammation and support the healing of the pancreas.
The first thing to do is to try and decrease inflammation and pain. The more pain your dog has, the more it stimulates the inflammation and it becomes a vicious cycle.
Next, select the remedy that best fits your dog from the list below. If at any time your dog has pain again, you can also give a single dose of Aconite 200C plus Arnica 200C as needed.
- So first, start by giving Aconite 200c and Arnica 200c once an hour for three doses.
Dosing frequency: for the remedies below, dose every two hours for three doses. Once symptoms are alleviated, continue 3 times a day for 3 days.
To give these remedies: Most homeopathic remedies come in little pellets and the easiest way to dose your dog is to make a liquid solution. To make a liquid solution put 2 or 3 pellets in a ½ to 2 oz dropper bottle. Fill the bottle with filtered water (reverse osmosis, distilled, spring) up to the shoulder of the bottle, leaving room for air. Add the pellets and allow them to dissolve. Hit the bottle on your palm (this is called succussing) ten times (do this before every dose). Put ½ dropper on the gums; pulling your dog’s lower lip out near the corner of his mouth is an easy way to do this.
- Nux vomica 30C or 200C. Use this remedy if you know that fat is the culprit and especially if your dog is grumpy.
- Phosphorus 30C or 200C. Give this remedy for acute pancreatitis, especially if your dog is clingy, fearful, sensitive and tired and can’t hold water down. The Phosphorus dog is not restless like the Arsenicum patient (see below). For chronic pancreatitis give this remedy twice a day for up to a week.
- Arsenicum 30C or 200C. If restlessness is your dog’s primary symptom, use this remedy.
- Iris Versicolor 30C or 200C. Use this remedy if you can hear gurgling sounds and see abdominal pain with straining to poop. This is also an excellent remedy for chronic cases. You can give a 12C potency twice a day for up to one month. You can also use it this way for organ support after an acute attack is resolved.
This mixture will keep on your kitchen counter without refrigeration for 2 or 3 days. You can also make the solution in a small glass of water, in which case, instead of succussing, just stir the liquid each time before you dose. Do not refrigerate homeopathic remedies.
Step 4: Stay away from antibiotics
Pancreatitis isn’t a bacterial infection so antibiotics won’t help and any additional toxic burden on this vital organ can cause more problems and stress the pancreas out even more.
Once the symptoms are alleviated, that doesn’t always mean it’s gone away. It’s important to take steps to heal pancreatitis and prevent it from returning long term.
Long-Term Prevention
[Related: You can make your own fermented foods at home. Find the recipe here]
- Limit the fatty foods in your dog’s diet.
- Get rid of the starchy carbs (that means NO KIBBLE!). That stuff is not only hard to digest (meaning it’s stressful for the pancreas), it’s also full of mycotoxins and aflatoxins – cancer-causing molds found in grains such as corn, wheat, and rice, as well as nuts and legumes grown in poor conditions or stored in substandard environments or for extended periods of time.
- Feed fresh, whole foods. As mentioned, your dog’s digestive tract is small and it can easily digest meat and bone. A fresh, raw diet that’s well balanced will help his digestive system flourish.
- Feed pre and probiotics. Probiotics (and the prebiotics that feed them) help keep bad bacteria in check and they’re often depleted when your dog has an acute attack. Once he has recovered, feed them every day. You can feed your dog probiotic-rich foods like kefir, fermented veggies or raw goat milk or give him high quality probiotic and prebiotic supplements.
[Related: Digestive enzymes are really important. Find out more about why here]
- Give digestive enzymes, which are extremely important for animals with pancreatitis. When the pancreas is inflamed, its ability to produce digestive enzymes — and get them to the right place — is compromised.
- Supplements help support a healthy inflammation response and will also support the healing process. If you’re using a product made for pets, give according to the directions on the packaging. If you use a product made for humans, assume it’s for a 150 lb person and adjust for your dog’s weight.
- Colostrum has immune-boosting properties that can help with digestion.
- Green lipped mussels are a rich source of omega-3 fatty acids and minerals, antioxidants, vitamins, amino acids and enzymes. Make sure to buy a supplement that’s cold extracted as heat destroys the nutrients.
- Phytoplankton contains Superoxide Dismutase, the king of the antioxidants. It’s good for reducing inflammation, supporting the liver and helping with digestive issues.
- Support the other organs. The liver, gallbladder and kidneys all support the pancreas so it’s vitally important to support these organs when the pancreas is stressed. A supplement that covers all these organs will keep them healthy for continued support to try and derail another onset.
Hope your little guy makes a speedy recovery!
Skybound
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I feel for ya', Brother!
I'm on my 3rd Golden Retriever, now, after losing my first two to cancer. I've learned a whole lot about pet food, since then, and now I cook all of the dog food and treats for this one. It's a lot of work, requires some freezer space, and doesn't really save any money, but I know exactly what the dog is getting.
Here's some info on treating pancreatitis in dogs:
Hope your little guy makes a speedy recovery!
Krip, I tried reading through that and my eyes crossed. Do you have a list of products or supplements that would be good to give old fat dogs? My choc lab/American bulldog mix is about 13 years old and I've been spoiling him a lot in his later years, but I'd like to feed him smarter if that's possible.
I depends what, if any, conditions he may have that you're trying to treat. But, my Dog is 420% healthy (
) and the things I add to his food regularly include Turmeric, Spirolina, Chlorella, Fish or Flax oil (I alternate both), ground flax seed, and a seaweed calcium supplement that has 72 other trace minerals (when you prepare your dog's food, you should be adding a calcium supplement since they don't get that with muscle & organ meat). The Turmeric is very good for older dogs since it's anti-inflammatory it also helps with potential joint pain. 
Skybound
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Do you have any recipes of your prepped food that you can share here? Every harvest, I get my dog like 3-5 of rice and cut that out with 5 pounds of cooked chicken breast, but I just assumed that to be considered healthy for dogs b/c that's the goto meal on the web for dogs needing a bland diet, so I made it something of a treat for him to enjoy once every 3 weeks or so. I also have been giving him Tums daily hoping to help his calcium. I realize these are likely half ass attempts, but trying to research the topic further proved to be frustrating for me.
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Thanks, peoples.. I do see improvement in him with that insulin. Yea diet is a hard one.. He's a rat dog.. And spoiled to all hell.. He's one finicky eater... He's lost alot of weight so we trying to get him to eat anything. Hard-boiled eggs,, boiled hamburger or boiled chicken and white rice. etc. But this morning he was hungry and eat a good breakfast before his shot. Seems more alert. And abit more energy...
But do tell any info one has. I've done alot of looking on the net. But the personal experience,,,,
I use to have a kennel going breeding beagles. At one time I had 26 dogs including puppies. That was when I lived in the bay area. My neighbors loved me after a long night of howling. I had one bitch that was one of the few privileged that got to come in the house.. Well, she loved to play with her tennis ball. One day she walked in and I threw her ball and she walked into the wall.. The dog was blind as a bat. After a week or two she had an ulcer on her leg and was in hella pain. I mean hella pain. This was 1 am, no vet open and I knew she had to be put down. I hate having to put my own dogs down, but I did anyway.. Back in Arkansas,, anytime I had to put a pet down,, my Uncle wood do it,, and I had to put acouple of his pets down. But that dog showed all the sign of diabetes.
But do tell any info one has. I've done alot of looking on the net. But the personal experience,,,,
I use to have a kennel going breeding beagles. At one time I had 26 dogs including puppies. That was when I lived in the bay area. My neighbors loved me after a long night of howling. I had one bitch that was one of the few privileged that got to come in the house.. Well, she loved to play with her tennis ball. One day she walked in and I threw her ball and she walked into the wall.. The dog was blind as a bat. After a week or two she had an ulcer on her leg and was in hella pain. I mean hella pain. This was 1 am, no vet open and I knew she had to be put down. I hate having to put my own dogs down, but I did anyway.. Back in Arkansas,, anytime I had to put a pet down,, my Uncle wood do it,, and I had to put acouple of his pets down. But that dog showed all the sign of diabetes.
There's a lot of stuff out there and a lot depends on how you want to feed your dog. Some pet owners prefer to give a raw food diet. I prefer to cook up a batch that last for about a month. I went to school with a well-known veterinary consultant. She's "high level" and basically goes into the Zoos and animal sanctuaries taking care of all the exotic animals. She told me that basically, dogs are carnivoirs and they can stay healthy on just meat.
IMHO, just about anything you do for your dog is better than any of the commercial pet food on the market. How healthy would any of us be if every meal we ate came out of a can or was some dry processed food loaded with chemical preservatives so it would last a year on the supermarket shelves?
That being said, there are a few "go-to" recipes I tend to make. I don't take accurate measurements, so it's a little different every time, but it's all gonna be healthy....
It starts with about 30-40 pounds of meat. Sometimes chicken and sometimes beef. About 15%-20% is organ meat (hearts, livers, kidneys, gizzards). That all get cooked and "pulled" or roughly chopped in a food processor.
Next, I make a big-ass pot of brown rice (sometimes barley, if making beef), lentils, dried split peas & carrots and cook that in salt-free or low sodium chicken or beef broth (again, depends on if I'm making chicken or beef!
). Sometimes I'll add some other vegetables like green beans or zuchinni, and sometimes I bake about 8 lbs. of sweet potatoes and and add those later.Then, I mix the chopped meat with the grains & veggies mix and store in the freezer in some large plastic containers that each hold about a weeks worth of food. I'm guessing the end product is about 50% meat, 25% grains, and 25% veggies.
When I dole out the individual portions of that, that's when I add the turmeric, calium, spirolina, etc. since it's much easier to dose those things individually.
Another tip...
I make his own "rawhide" chews by taking some big slices of sweet potato and putting them on the food dehydrator for a day and dehydrated apples are his "candy"!
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We feed some meat, Veggies and Kidney beans, along with grain free kibble. It would be better to feed raw or a diet like you described but time, money and freezer space are limited. You must have some healthy dogs. We do plan to do more good foods for them and anyone who says table scraps are bad for dogs is Crazy. I know not to give them chocolate grapes onions etc. and No cooked bones but dog food is made from meat etc. that is not fit for human consumption. So how is giving chicken vegetables or a little bit of left over stake etc. bad for dogs , Its Not...…There's a lot of stuff out there and a lot depends on how you want to feed your dog. Some pet owners prefer to give a raw food diet. I prefer to cook up a batch that last for about a month. I went to school with a well-known veterinary consultant. She's "high level" and basically goes into the Zoos and animal sanctuaries taking care of all the exotic animals. She told me that basically, dogs are carnivoirs and they can stay healthy on just meat.
IMHO, just about anything you do for your dog is better than any of the commercial pet food on the market. How healthy would any of us be if every meal we ate came out of a can or was some dry processed food loaded with chemical preservatives so it would last a year on the supermarket shelves?
That being said, there are a few "go-to" recipes I tend to make. I don't take accurate measurements, so it's a little different every time, but it's all gonna be healthy....
It starts with about 30-40 pounds of meat. Sometimes chicken and sometimes beef. About 15%-20% is organ meat (hearts, livers, kidneys, gizzards). That all get cooked and "pulled" or roughly chopped in a food processor.
Next, I make a big-ass pot of brown rice (sometimes barley, if making beef), lentils, dried split peas & carrots and cook that in salt-free or low sodium chicken or beef broth (again, depends on if I'm making chicken or beef!
Then, I mix the chopped meat with the grains & veggies mix and store in the freezer in some large plastic containers that each hold about a weeks worth of food. I'm guessing the end product is about 50% meat, 25% grains, and 25% veggies.
When I dole out the individual portions of that, that's when I add the turmeric, calium, spirolina, etc. since it's much easier to dose those things individually.
Another tip...
I make his own "rawhide" chews by taking some big slices of sweet potato and putting them on the food dehydrator for a day and dehydrated apples are his "candy"!
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Thanks Mister Krip. and all Stickyone and @PCaddict
On a different note'''''
Are we ready for tomorrow????????????? I see big protests lined up for it,,, The right and antifa at it again?
Portland is alittle nuts anyways...
On a different note'''''
Are we ready for tomorrow????????????? I see big protests lined up for it,,, The right and antifa at it again?
Portland is alittle nuts anyways...
Skybound
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That portly journalist kid that got rolled out by ANTIFA a few weeks back believes tomorrow is going to be a powder keg between the proud boys and ANTIFA. I think it will be bad to b/c all of the videos of ANTIFA members getting laid out on the web are due to proud boy knuckles and I bet ANTIFA dudes will have a salty taste about that. If I were you, I'd stay away from that one and just catch the highlights on the 6 O'clock news.
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The right has become the FAR RIGHT.
A friend just sent me this...Just another reason I make my own dog food:
Texas Tripe Recalls Pet Food Due to Salmonella and Listeria | Dog Food Advisor
Texas Tripe Recalls Pet Food Due to Salmonella and Listeria | Dog Food Advisor
Skybound
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Recently I saw Blue Buffalo had a recall or a lawsuit or something negative. But considering what the FDA let us eat for decades, I can't imagine there would be a high standard for animal feed.
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It makes me wonder how often the FDA gets around to testing pet food.
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