Original source seeds from the 70's: Yes I have some

[CannaFish]

no pics yet, but it looks like 2 of your young Lebanese have red stems.

and no luck on my older punto rojo seeds. I did get 2 mangobiches to come up though. 1 has the skinniest first leaves I've grown. ¡viva sativa!

Besides those old colombians, I didn't lose any seeds or seedlings this year going from paper towels to soil. I think the h202 was the trick.

Speaking of naysayers about freezing seeds... I was reading about growing pecans. The article was written by a Doctor, a professor, he said that you cannot store pecans below 32ºf. Kinda blew my mind that someone would have that kind of logic. Even in it's most southern range pecan nuts will experience a freeze. When someone says you can't freeze weed seeds, what about ditch weed in Kansas and Missouri? Do they not realize that the seeds freeze in the winter?

Cool beans. I always like to see my babies grow. The Durbans are pretty bullet proof plants. Most sativa landrace beans are smaller as a rule, and they also tend to be more resistant to dampening off. They also grow into larger plants. I dunno why that is. I am not sure how large they grow in the ground. I only grew them in 15 gallon pots to keep them smaller in size to fit in my greenhouses, and I pinched them to get more branches.

For your PRs and Mangos, there is no need to take them out of the shell if the seed coat has been popped. As long as water gets in them they can swell and grow. The H2O2 spray should prevent any rot. If they hang up on opening the hinge, you can tease the seed coats off of them with tweezers and let the cotyledon leaves pop out. You may want to revert to GA if they still do not pop tails. I may do that with some tired Colombian beans that I am germinating here now. My 40 year old frozen and thawed Mexican beans all popped tails within 3 days. So much for Cannabis seeds being damaged when frozen, eh? And yet that paradigm still prevails by the 'experts'.

 

[Big Sur]

Yes, the Lebanese reds have faint red stems. I guess that is why they call it Lebby red.

A light mix of H2O2 in water is the ticket. Kills the fungus before it can damp off the seedlings. Cannabis is strong and does not burn with the H2O2. They seem to like it if anything. That will also kill any mites and their eggs.

As for freezing, not only does ditch weed seed freeze in the Midwest, it freezes, thaws, re-freezes, and re-thaws in many cycles every fall and winter. Then like magic, they sprout in the spring. Cannabis seeds go through the same seasonal exposure cycles in the Himalayan mountains and in Siberia. Malana is like at 8,000 ft in elevation. BUT NOOOOOOO! "The books" say that YOU CANNOT FREEZE CANNABIS SEEDS! And yet... Oh my Gawd! It must be a miracle!

 

[lazyfish]

How strong of H2O2? Pint per gallon? Do you give them a quick soak and into soil they go?

 

[Big Sur]

How strong of H2O2? Pint per gallon? Do you give them a quick soak and into soil they go?

I use one cup of 3% H2O2 per gallon of water on seedlings and for general spraying. I mist the seedlings before they go into the soil and then once a day in the soil with the one cup per gallon mixed in a spray bottle. I spray daily until they get their true leaves. I only use a pint of H2O2 per gallon of water on mature plants if I have a bad mite infection or if PM is getting out of control.

Reminds me that I have to spray my rooted plants again tomorrow. I have been putting them onto the greenhouse during the day lately to get some sun and heat on them. 58 F outside here today, but 75 F in the greenhouses. They can get mites out there, though it is cool now and not as likely. Mites like heat.

 

[lazyfish]

It worked great for PM. It's going to be a staple in my garden from now on I think!

 

[Big Sur]

Well, I love H2O2 as it is cheap as sh!t at 88 cents a quart, and it works. And it is not toxic. I add a little Listerine gold to it in summer to keep the mites away. Another cheap solution. Also a few drops of a sticker-spreader, like Safer, Hi-Yield, or Turbo helps even more. They are non-ionic surfactant spreaders that make water 'wetter' by reducing the hydrogen bond, and that kills bugs on its own, and helps spread the peroxide and Listerine on the plant. That is important with all contact sprays like this one.

 

[lazyfish]

It's funny you said that. I sprayed today and was really struggling to wet the leaves. I think I have a bit of safers around somewhere...

 

[Big Sur]

Yep. I noticed that and so I add a few drops of soap spreader concentrate to the H2O2 mix. It helps wets the leaves nicely. I think they sell Hi-Yield insecticidal soap concentrate at ACE hardware. I think that Bi-Mart sells Bonide insect soap spray.

 

[Big Sur]

So after 40 years I finally found a copy of this book in good used condition called Sinsemilla for under $50. I could not afford it when it was new for $20. It has always been on my mind though. I used to go to the book store and look through all the bud porn in this book back in the late 1970s. I got my endorphins flowing just looking at it. Now it is on its way to a mail box very near me. I have not seen it under $200 used in good condition until very recently. This book completely revolutionized growing in California and central Mexico. It was what gave seeded weed the boot. Seriously.

 

[Big Sur]

And this is the book that got me to start freezing seeds in 1977. Marijuana Potency. It was published the same year as the Sinsemilla book. I could afford this one. It was $5 new. In '77 we finally started getting good published information about Cannabis. I bought the companion book for this recently called Marijuana Chemistry by Starks for $18 online, new.

 

[lazyfish]

Hi @BigSur

I just wanted to drop by and thank you for turning me onto H2O2 and safers!~ Stuff is killer! I have not touched a bottle of NEEM since. I hate that smell. UGH.

Cheers,

 

[Big Sur]

And this is the book that got me to start freezing seeds in 1977. Marijuana Potency. It was published the same year as the Sinsemilla book. I could afford this one. It was $5 new. In '77 we finally started getting good published information about Cannabis. I bought the companion book for this recently called Marijuana Chemistry by Starks for $18 online, new.

By the way, the book Marijuana Chemistry is an extended/updated version of Marijuana Potency. Same photos and information, but it has about 30 more pages at the end with updated information. So no need to get both... MC seems to be easier and cheaper to get.

 

[Big Sur]

Hi @BigSur

I just wanted to drop by and thank you for turning me onto H2O2 and safers!~ Stuff is killer! I have not touched a bottle of NEEM since. I hate that smell. UGH.

Cheers,

Well, that's good. The mites are here to stay, so we have to spray spray spray.

Hey, is that Haiku? Haiku is Ukiah spelled backwards, as a friend from Mendocino Co. pointed out to me once. Ukiah means 'deep valley' in native American. Hmmmm, maybe I better cut back on the Durban Poison in the morning?

 

[Big Sur]

Aaaaaaaaah.... that is the feeling I get from smoking Kona Gold. I found some real deal Kona at the weed shop yesterday. I usually do not buy weed, as that is like a cobbler buying shoes. But I do not have any Kona seeds, and well, there was the jar of it there on the shelf, and it was cheap. $7 a gram my medical card price. I smoked 2 bowls last night. Wow. I missed this shit. It is good. I will be going back for more of this stuff. Maybe get a quarter and give an eighth to my Kona loving brother. And now I have to find a clone of this or some seeds! Apparently having 130 strains of seeds is still not enough beans. There are always more heirlooms and landraces to be had!

3pm here... time for some more Kona... then again at 4:20. Then again at 7:20 when its 4:20 on the Big Island. A real sativa high. The label says its a hybrid, but no sleepy or couchy stuff in this high. Its like Colombian Gold. Which it is supposedly a derivative of. It tastes really good too. Has almost a berry aftertaste. Best hash I ever smoked was Kona Gold hash. Bar none. Kona hash and Lebanese hash from my back yard. More dreams coming true in my near future....

 

[Big Sur]

My current rare strain want list... I got some Manipuri beans in trade lately. Supposed to be the best weed of all. We shall see about that. I also got Waipi'o Hapa, Sinai, and Nigerian crossed off my want list.

Greek Kalamata Red
Italian Calabrian Red
Kona Gold
Puna Buddah
South Morocco (Marrakesh) sativa
Algerian sativa
Turkish sativa (or so called hash plant)
Amazonia Brazil
Alaska Thunderf*ck
Bhutan landrace

 

[Dude Stoneder]

Aaaaaaaaah.... that is the feeling I get from smoking Kona Gold. I found some real deal Kona at the weed shop yesterday. I usually do not buy weed, as that is like a cobbler buying shoes. But I do not have any Kona seeds, and well, there was the jar of it there on the shelf, and it was cheap. $7 a gram my medical card price. I smoked 2 bowls last night. Wow. I missed this shit. It is good. I will be going back for more of this stuff. Maybe get a quarter and give an eighth to my Kona loving brother. And now I have to find a clone of this or some seeds! Apparently having 130 strains of seeds is still not enough beans. There are always more heirlooms and landraces to be had!

3pm here... time for some more Kona... then again at 4:20. Then again at 7:20 when its 4:20 on the Big Island. A real sativa high. The label says its a hybrid, but no sleepy or couchy stuff in this high. Its like Colombian Gold. Which it is supposedly a derivative of. It tastes really good too. Has almost a berry aftertaste. Best hash I ever smoked was Kona Gold hash. Bar none. Kona hash and Lebanese hash from my back yard. More dreams coming true in my near future....

Wow! 130 strains. Grow 6 strains each year...... you’ll be finished in 21 years. I’ve really enjoyed reading this thread. Great job on keeping your seeds stored. I recently revived 30 year old seeds and achieved better than 60% germination rate. Kept my seeds in the fridge though instead of the freezer. Again, great read BigSur. Salute!

 

[Graytail]

I ran Brazil Amazonia from World of Seeds and it was unremarkable in every way.

 

[Big Sur]

I ran Brazil Amazonia from World of Seeds and it was unremarkable in every way.

That is disappointing. But good to know. I will lower it on my want list priority. I have some rare type of Manga Rosa from Brazil to grow next year. I have the Manga Rosa and only one other strain from Brazil, an unnamed one, and only 3 seeds of it. For whatever reason Brazil beans are hard to find. Also in the 70s, I never saw any Brazilian weed, ever. Mexican and Colombian galore, some rare Costa Rican, Honduran, Peruvian and Venezuelan, occasionally Panama red would pop up, especially in the early 70s, and of course Jamaican. But no Brazilian weed from the Americas.

My 7:20pm bowl of KG is hitting me right now. Its harder to type... its pleasantly distracting me.

 

[Graytail]

If you ever find a connection for some worthy Brazilians, I need to know about it.

I've grown as many commercial crosses as I could find, and I just love that stuff! The "spiritual" description is the real thing. You can interpret the high any way you choose, but there is definitely something different about it. It's warm and kind, with no hint of a future letdown. You buzz for a few hours and straighten out feeling clear and energetic.

I had a Utopia Haze (Brazilian IBL) and a Buddha Haze (Brazil x Amnesia Haze) together in the bloom room and the Buddha hermied a little and spit up on the Utopia so I got some nice seeds and have been running them occasionally. Very nice weed!

But I find almost nothing else commercially. I ran Nexus and that wasn't special. KC Brains has a Brasil x KC606 that I've been tempted to try.

 

[Conradino23]

I ran this Manipuri from RSC and had to abandon the grow, but north of 40N she’s ready in January, so not really viable choice at this latitude. You’d have to put her in a heated greenhouse with supplemental lighting to enjoy some bud. But this was the only concern of people who grew her. Otherwise great smoke supposedly.