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astonr sending you positive vibes to your ladies
Hope you can get this worked out I'm ready to see your ladies flourish!
Thank you very much Doc!!! I wanna see them too!!!
Organic Grow - BC God Bud - Gods Gift - Blackberry Kush
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Thank you very much Doc!!! I wanna see them too!!!
Whats good BPN!!!
ok double up the week 5 scheduled nutes??? for the GROW I mean!!!
Do this: double up on the week 5 grow (30ml/gallon), use 15 ml bloom, 15 ml of MICRO, and 10 ml of bio juice. use the recommended amount of humate tea and k-bud. Don't worry about burning your plants with organics..it is really hard to do. The MICRO will solve any micro deficiencies if there are any. the micro also has magnesium. The grow will give a good dose of N. water in really well and then let them dry out like a mofo.
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Sounds good I will get this done tomorrow, should I do this to all 3 of them??? or just BCGB???
All 3
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in to see what happens next
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ok everybody,
update on the ladies, I now had 3 dead leaves on BCGB!!! I took them off and left the other yellowing leaf on in hopes that it will still bounce back. GG has now gotten a yellow leaf and they are starting to get spots on them, like dark green spots... and some of them are getting brown spots as well... now... BK is the only lady that is coming back!!! she has 2 5 bladed hands now!!! so she is revegging just fine now!!! now yellowing, and it has green growth not lime growth!!! will be posting up pix soon!!!
update on the ladies, I now had 3 dead leaves on BCGB!!! I took them off and left the other yellowing leaf on in hopes that it will still bounce back. GG has now gotten a yellow leaf and they are starting to get spots on them, like dark green spots... and some of them are getting brown spots as well... now... BK is the only lady that is coming back!!! she has 2 5 bladed hands now!!! so she is revegging just fine now!!! now yellowing, and it has green growth not lime growth!!! will be posting up pix soon!!!
How dry are you letting your pots get in between waterings?
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as dry as possible, the top 3 inches are bone dry and the bottom is still semi moist?!?!?
hmmmm......some of those pics look totally like phosphorus and potassium deficiency. I saw some of the younger leaves exhibiting deficiency as well. I think that it might be this: You have been giving them plenty of nutes. The Grow has plenty of nitrogen in it that if it were a nitrogen deficiency, they would have perked up in a day or so after feeding. The Bloom has plenty of phosphorus and potassium and the K-bud also has plenty of potassium. You could have plenty of nutrients in your soil but your plants may not be able to use them if the root systems are not developed enough or something is causing the roots some stress. I am interested in how much the pots weigh before and after you water them. When I have problems like you are having early in the cycle, I really let the pots dry out until they are REALLY light when I pick them up. This helps give the roots oxygen and they will grow outward searching for the water they need and get stronger. Even though you are letting the top 3 inches of the soil get really dry and the rest of the soil is a little moist, I don't think that the roots are getting enough oxygen. I don't see an over abundance of perlite in your soil mix. I always recommend adding a very, very generous helping of perlite because it is light and airy and let your roots have plenty of air. It also makes flushing easier and it is way tougher to over-water.
This is what I would do: poke some holes into the soil using a sharpened pencil to increase aeration while trying not to damage any roots. You won't be able to see the roots but you can kinda feel them when you stick the pencil into the soil so just be gentle. Then, Let the pots dry out until they are really light and then only give them a bunch of RO water the next time you water them. Let the pots dry out REALLY good again, then lets re-evaluate the situation before you give more nutes or water. I know that you are very anxious to start flowering but if you flower an unhealthy plant, your yield is going to be significantly less. I really think that you should get those plants healthy before switching to 12/12.
This is what I would do: poke some holes into the soil using a sharpened pencil to increase aeration while trying not to damage any roots. You won't be able to see the roots but you can kinda feel them when you stick the pencil into the soil so just be gentle. Then, Let the pots dry out until they are really light and then only give them a bunch of RO water the next time you water them. Let the pots dry out REALLY good again, then lets re-evaluate the situation before you give more nutes or water. I know that you are very anxious to start flowering but if you flower an unhealthy plant, your yield is going to be significantly less. I really think that you should get those plants healthy before switching to 12/12.
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when I water cus it never went fully dry and I didn't want to miss a feeding, I would only feed with a 1/2 gallon!!! then the next week I would do the same but to that weeks feeding, you say to let em dry out all the way... dude that could take up to 2 weeks, maybe more!!! for some reason this soil doesn't like to dry out at all!!! I have perlite added to it, it is 20% perlite mix and 80% Happy Frog!!!
Good soil mix and a good amount of perlite so that is probably ok but I am worried that it isn't drying out enough.
What is the Relative humidity in your grow area?
Poke some holes in your soil and lets just let them get as dry as possible for the next 2 or 3 days. I really think that the roots need more air...then we can re-evaluate the situation again. you have been feeding them plenty of nutes...Don't worry about missing a feeding bro
You would be surprised how well a plant can snap to life if the roots are starving for oxygen and then start getting enough O2 and the roots get really healthy.
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Good soil mix and a good amount of perlite so that is probably ok but I am worried that it isn't drying out enough.
What is the Relative humidity in your grow area?
Poke some holes in your soil and lets just let them get as dry as possible for the next 2 or 3 days. I really think that the roots need more air...then we can re-evaluate the situation again. you have been feeding them plenty of nutes...Don't worry about missing a feeding bro
You would be surprised how well a plant can snap to life if the roots are starving for oxygen and then start getting enough O2 and the roots get really healthy.
I do the poke trick!! always have even when i would be growing my peppers!!! roots need oxygen as much as they need water, I know LOL!!!
No it doesn't dry out enough at all!!! The RH is constantly holding in the 40 - 55% range!!! when it gets up to the 55% I kick the exhaust on at full power and shut the intake off and start pulling all the air out of there!!! I do that for about 3 minutes, you can see that it pulls the air all out within 30 seconds but I rather make sure that I got it all then I kick on the intake on low and let it fill back up and lower the exhaust to either low or off, depends on the temp!!! The intake is also sitting in the path of the air conditioner vent!!!
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my concern is as to why it isn't drying out either, I use happy frog exclusively and the only time I find it holding a lot of moisture is when the root mass is really small compared to the container size (transplanting 2wk old seedlings into 3gal pots). Once the roots took off and filled the container, it dries out really quickly. You might think it will take 2 weeks to dry out, but once it dries, those roots will explode looking for water, and the soil can do its job feeding them. They definitely need some dry time in between waterings to maintain healthy roots. The healthier and bulkier your roots are mean the healthier and bulkier your buds will be.
Even if it does take 2 weeks to dry out, the plant has available moisture to feed itself. Let the plant get used to its home and then go exploring the pot, when she starts to wilt slightly (you can see the fan leave stem start to bend) then water. She will pick up within 30 minutes and look healthier than you ever imagined. A good watering schedule is just as important as the food you give it.
Even if it does take 2 weeks to dry out, the plant has available moisture to feed itself. Let the plant get used to its home and then go exploring the pot, when she starts to wilt slightly (you can see the fan leave stem start to bend) then water. She will pick up within 30 minutes and look healthier than you ever imagined. A good watering schedule is just as important as the food you give it.
Hey Crimson. What ya know buddy! I have made the mistake of over watering so many times it is not funny. I also noticed that once I really let the pots dry out, they took off but the roots can get to a point that it may take some time to recover. After doing this over the years, I eventually figured out that in early growth less is actually way better. Growing in soil is actually tougher to me because there are so many variables that must be controlled but organic bud tastes so much better imo. I think in this case letting everything really dry out may be the ticket. Even if it takes 2 weeks to do so. Then giving just a little water so the plants have just enough that the roots are forced to keep exploring for more moisture. Just my 2 cents
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definitely agree, theres something about soil grown bud that I love, this is my first organic run too so I'm very excited for the taste. I can tell already I'm going to get some serious bud from my girls
Hi Astonr,
It's been a while since I was here, but I'm caught up now. Wow you've been dealing with some issues. Sorry, I'm too new at this to add anything useful. But I'm sure paying attention. Good Luck dude...hope you get it figured out.
BPN, love the rambling...I need to learn more about how plants grow, nute uptake, how, when and where. The thing you said about Ca in tap water. I think my water has alot, it makes my houseplants white on top, but I don't pH that water, I just let it sit open on the counter for a couple days before using it.
Sorry Astonr, gonna side track yall for a minute...About water and pH? I've noticed that after mixing nutes to a pH of 5.8 or whatever it may be, after a day or two on the counter I recheck and it's gone up. Only a point or two, but definately higher than what I set it to. Now I want to use this water/feed again, (nutes are too expensive to be wasteful) is it OK to just use pH down again to set it back to 5.8? I read somewhere NOT to use both a pH up and pH down in the same water...but I'm always using down. My plain tap water pH's @ 7.5-8 usually.
Keep rambing BPN, we'll all keep learning.
Thanks Astonr, I can always count on learning something good in your journals. Keep up the good work...BTW how's school?
It's been a while since I was here, but I'm caught up now. Wow you've been dealing with some issues. Sorry, I'm too new at this to add anything useful. But I'm sure paying attention. Good Luck dude...hope you get it figured out.
BPN, love the rambling...I need to learn more about how plants grow, nute uptake, how, when and where. The thing you said about Ca in tap water. I think my water has alot, it makes my houseplants white on top, but I don't pH that water, I just let it sit open on the counter for a couple days before using it.
Sorry Astonr, gonna side track yall for a minute...About water and pH? I've noticed that after mixing nutes to a pH of 5.8 or whatever it may be, after a day or two on the counter I recheck and it's gone up. Only a point or two, but definately higher than what I set it to. Now I want to use this water/feed again, (nutes are too expensive to be wasteful) is it OK to just use pH down again to set it back to 5.8? I read somewhere NOT to use both a pH up and pH down in the same water...but I'm always using down. My plain tap water pH's @ 7.5-8 usually.
Keep rambing BPN, we'll all keep learning.
Thanks Astonr, I can always count on learning something good in your journals. Keep up the good work...BTW how's school?
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adding more ph up/down is fine, but just watch your ppm's, it will raise them slightly, probably not enough to do anything. I generally mix a batch of nutes and use them all with that feeding, so I haven't run into this happening.
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Hi Astonr,
It's been a while since I was here, but I'm caught up now. Wow you've been dealing with some issues. Sorry, I'm too new at this to add anything useful. But I'm sure paying attention. Good Luck dude...hope you get it figured out.
BPN, love the rambling...I need to learn more about how plants grow, nute uptake, how, when and where. The thing you said about Ca in tap water. I think my water has alot, it makes my houseplants white on top, but I don't pH that water, I just let it sit open on the counter for a couple days before using it.
Sorry Astonr, gonna side track yall for a minute...About water and pH? I've noticed that after mixing nutes to a pH of 5.8 or whatever it may be, after a day or two on the counter I recheck and it's gone up. Only a point or two, but definately higher than what I set it to. Now I want to use this water/feed again, (nutes are too expensive to be wasteful) is it OK to just use pH down again to set it back to 5.8? I read somewhere NOT to use both a pH up and pH down in the same water...but I'm always using down. My plain tap water pH's @ 7.5-8 usually.
Keep rambing BPN, we'll all keep learning.
Thanks Astonr, I can always count on learning something good in your journals. Keep up the good work...BTW how's school?
Whats good Sqwheels!!!
School....man..... it is great and all..... but that programming class has my brain all raddled up!!! it is really hard, harder than I thought it would be. But, nevertheless, I am still passing that class!!! It's totally a learning experience, how much they shove into your head over 9 weeks!!!
I am glad that you learn a lot from or in my journals!!! it makes me happy that my journals are here for something other than just my thoughts and questions, but also a learning experience!!!
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UPDATE
ok, the total dead leaves on BCGB is now up to 4, the last 1 went this morning, but on a good note, that potential fatality for leaf #5 has gone back to a minimal, it started turning back to a greenish color!!! still has yellow in it, but its not gettin worse!!! now, as for GG, she has now gotten to 3 dead leaves!!! she is showing some dark coloring spots on her leaves, but has also gotten away from going to the yellower side of things!!!
If anybody has had any experience with these 2 strains, I have a question...Are these Nitrogen needy strains, cus I mean 30ml of grow per gallon!!! wow!!! and also with the purple stem, I know it seems like its a phosphorus issue, or phosphate, I can't remember which 1, I ate 2 cookies that I made out of the Afgoo budder!!! totally ripped!!! LOL anyways, BPN says I have enough of the micro nutes in there now, so im hoping that it will start to go away soon!!!
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You know I started thinking this morning, what you had said to me about the root development most likely being poor... remember how I bitched and ranted on about this soil not drying out fast enough!!! maybe cus it stayed so moist through the whole time, that it didn't grow out so much?!?!? So maybe your idea of Death Valley soil will work!!! the roots will start seeing the soil go dry and go, "WTF!!! wheres the water???" and head down south to find it, and in turn start giving the northern hemisphere some more green growage, so we can get some damn bud porn going on in here!!! AM I RIGHT!!! er ARE YOU RIGHT!!! LOL!!!
alright everybody!!!
ok, the total dead leaves on BCGB is now up to 4, the last 1 went this morning, but on a good note, that potential fatality for leaf #5 has gone back to a minimal, it started turning back to a greenish color!!! still has yellow in it, but its not gettin worse!!! now, as for GG, she has now gotten to 3 dead leaves!!! she is showing some dark coloring spots on her leaves, but has also gotten away from going to the yellower side of things!!!
If anybody has had any experience with these 2 strains, I have a question...Are these Nitrogen needy strains, cus I mean 30ml of grow per gallon!!! wow!!! and also with the purple stem, I know it seems like its a phosphorus issue, or phosphate, I can't remember which 1, I ate 2 cookies that I made out of the Afgoo budder!!! totally ripped!!! LOL anyways, BPN says I have enough of the micro nutes in there now, so im hoping that it will start to go away soon!!!
@BPN
You know I started thinking this morning, what you had said to me about the root development most likely being poor... remember how I bitched and ranted on about this soil not drying out fast enough!!! maybe cus it stayed so moist through the whole time, that it didn't grow out so much?!?!? So maybe your idea of Death Valley soil will work!!! the roots will start seeing the soil go dry and go, "WTF!!! wheres the water???" and head down south to find it, and in turn start giving the northern hemisphere some more green growage, so we can get some damn bud porn going on in here!!! AM I RIGHT!!! er ARE YOU RIGHT!!! LOL!!!
alright everybody!!!
I'll take some of them cookies please! 
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