Orangeblood's Grow Room-Yumbolt 47, White Widow, Air Pots, LED+HPS, SOG, & R2D2

[Jasonlee247]

hahaaha, yea man. Skywalker in R2D2. Classic. that would be sweeeet. Nice deal on the lightrails. Those are tops man. I actually got to talk to the owner one time. they make them up in steamboat. Crazy old guy, but a helluva guy too. Keep an eye on the wheels on them. You can get all the replacement wheels for pretty cheap, so no biggy, but with more weight on the motor the wheels can skid and stall, and will get a build up of rubber shavings in the track creating a loud and bumpy ride, and eventually stall it out. No bueno. I ran a 9 footer for 6 years and only replaced the wheels once, the first time it started shaking the light, and the second time I caught it early.

Love those tracks though. Did you know that they actually make attachements to run 2 lights spaced apart on each rail? what will they think of next. lololol I cant stand the rotating light movers tho. You know, the ones that go in circles? damn things. I've dealt with more than my share of tose thins breaking down, and breaking. NO BUENO.

sorry about the rant, keep up the great work Bandito!

 

[Bandit420]

Whats up Jay!
Good call on the wheels! All morning I've been looking at replacement parts and accesories for these movers. The older mover of the two does infact have a couple stiff wheels. The way they're worn looks like the guy did not install the track perfectly straight and level so the wheels were binding on him. I'll also have to go over the track to make sure it's still true.
I'm bouncing back and forth trying to decide on how to set this all up.
Trying to run two lamps on two movers going in opposite directions would be super sweet but I'm stumped on how I would run the one exaust line for the two lights.

Another idea which is quickly becoming my fave is this...
Change the floor plan 3.5'x 5' with stadium style seating for large and small plants. To meet the 50 watt per square foot ratio I'll need 875 watts of lighting.
I can run the two 430s on one rail to run the length of the garden. I can then run another rail parallel to the side wall so the rails would be in a T pattern from the top view. On the second rail I can hang my UFO to crawl along the tops of the large plants
The two 430 with the UFO will be 950 moving watts! Adding my other LED supplemental lamps and we're talking 1055 watts!
And yet another scenario would be the same set up but instead of two 430s I would use a single 600 watt on the mover and also add my T5 for side lighting. Then the total wattage would be 891 watts which would be cooler and cheaper to operate yet still covers the 875 watt threshold.

The last, easiest, and most inexpensive idea would be to use nothing more than a single 1000 watt lamp on the light rail.

I think I'll draw up a poll in the faq column to get the 420 nation's opinion on the matter along with a couple local gurus that have excellent knowledge on this stuff.

 

[Jasonlee247]

You could even use the 2 x 3' rails side by side down the 5' length of the room (if you did go 3.5 x 5') The 430's will cover a foot out past the track (maximum lighting). depending on reflector size, It'd be tight quarters with the reflectors if possible at all. Really to achieve the 875 w at 50w per sq.ft. you could have the 2 430's stationary with the T5 on one end, and the LED on the rail. Did you say that? lollol You'd just put the 430s off center a touch. Or t5 between them, LED on the rrail. how many watts is the LED? .......anywho, with your arsenal the movers don't seem necissary for the HID's if your gonna run both, plus much easier to air cool those babies. Although it would be cool. I like how you were talking about doing the 4 x 6'. That would be nice to have both 6" rails running side by side. The 2 x 430's would be killer in that space. Wouldn't have to cut the rails. (although they're only $25 for a replacement.) but you wouldn't have your 875w x sq. ft. I've grown some mosters under a rail and never had the 50w per.... I dunno. All the options....oh, the options. hahahaha......muahahaha....

Keep in mind I'm just rambling, and it's just my input, you know how it is, I'm just throwing some Ideas at ya. probably all stuff you already went thru/ loolol But it's better than bottling it all up and holding it in.....so says my therapist.....
j/k ....or am I?

 

[Bandit420]

LMAO! I know Man the possibilties are nearly endless! The lights running side by side with one going left and one going right would be amazing but I'm stumped on how I would cool them on only one air duct. Then with the two lights moving there's a good chance the duct work can sag and smack the plants when the lights move close together.
My very first idea was to have the one 430 stay put while the T5 and LEDs are on the rails moving up and down the space but I dont think that would give me any added benefit over what I have now.
The ease of using a single 1k or a single 600 w/ the leds & T5 is very tempting too. I really like the idea of an HID moving over the garden while the UFOs' skim across the tops at one end of the garden.

 

[Jasonlee247]

hahaha...yea. UFO flyby. that would be cool.

I dunno how you'd go about venting both hoods in line going oposite directions though. I would think that the Ducting would stress the lights and tweek on them at the ends. You got me stumped man. Now it they were both going side by side it would be easier.

 

[StinkFinger]

OB.

You're latest round of pics look fantastic man.

Keep on Truckin!

Looking forward to see what you're doing up in that room thar.

Sf

 

[Bandit420]

OK guys, I just got back from my hydro shop and the shop owner offered his opinion (an opinion which I value greatly) and even made a call to a rep at Hydrofarm so I could explain what I was wanting to do and here's the jist of the conversations. He called Hydrofarm because that's the company who makes the lights I'm working with.

For bloom, light movers are NOT recommended for a single HID unless the plan is to move it only a very short distance like maybe a foot in each direction.
Next is that my two 430s will infact outperform the single 1k in a rectangular garden if they move TOGETHER ( good call j 24/7 )a very short distance.

The 1k could do the better job moving a greater distance but only if I used the mondo sun style reflector that can broadcast a 1k in a 4' wide light pattern. This is a $270 reflector.

Armed with this info along with some reading here on 420 the plan will be this...
A 4' x 6' bloom cab will be built. The garden footprint inside will be 3.5' x 5'. The two 430s will be used daisy chained and spaced evenly over the garden. The system will be put on a rail to move 8" to 12" down the length of the space. Really I just want them to move a few inches back to cover the back side areas of the lights and then move back to center.

Since this is a sog I will have plants at diferent stages of bloom in this cab. During the first four weeks of bloom I dont need to have an led focused on the plants. My leds like the UFO's I use are more for increased trich production rather than total plant development. Since the riper plants with more resin will be at one end of the space that is where the UFO will be deployed. It will be on a rail to skim across the tops of the ripening plants. At first I'll just use a single UFO and then get the add a light kit for the second UFO if it's needed.
Two 430's and one UFO give me 950 watts which is above the 875 watt plateau!
The lighting will be nearly equal to that of a single 1k but it will have a better spectrum than standard HPS since it's Son Agro HPS and will be evenly spread over the garden instead of having a single sweet spot.

Since the rail will be arranged in a T pattern I may have to reconfigure my plans on cooling the 430s. Typically I push air thru one side of the reflctor with the cool air injection and then the air is pulled thru the duct by a blower on the other end of the line. Instead of having the cool air being pushed thru I will probably take off the injection duct and just use the exaust blower to pull air from the grow space over the lamps to evacuate the heat. The cool air line that fed the lamps will then be used to help out the main cooling line already providing fresh cooled air to the plants.

I know this all sounds kooky but in the end when I post pics it will make sense. When I complete it I'll have a larger bloom space by almost a third of what I'm using now and it will be a better producer with the 50 watt per sq. ft. ratio met and eclipsed.

 

[StinkFinger]

For bloom, light movers are NOT recommended unless the plan is to move them only a very short distance like maybe a foot in each direction.

OB.

Sounds like an excellent plan. Sounds like you've got some constructing to do over yonder.

Any chance on explaining the reasoning behind what the guys mentioned above?

I know this statement won't effect your grow, but I did a light mover my entire grow, and just would like to know a little more info why it's not recommended? I thought a mover was to evenly distribute light to areas that normally wouldn't receive as much as a stationary setup?

Just curious, of course.

Thanks Bro.
Sf.

 

[Bud stankalot]

Instead of a light mover, I'd just get more lights. Lol.

My power bill isn't too crazy as of yet, especially with the summer outdoor shutdown.

 

[Bandit420]

From what I understand the simple reasoning is if the light is moving several feet it can cause a thinning of the buds which will decrease the yield. This can be defeated by using multiple higher wattage lamps spaced closer together like what you may see in a commercial grow where the lights move. For a single 1000w or a couple 400s it is not ideal to move them but maybe a few inches to get better coverage.
I should have phrased my first posting better but I was thinking in terms of my application

Thanks to that wonderful edit button I clarified it. Thx SF

 

[Bandit420]

Double barrel Ice Box action delivering the beat down to heat

 

[Bud stankalot]

The double barrel always serves up justice.

 

[Bandit420]

The double barrel always serves up justice.

Like no other can!

 

[Green007]

Breaker 420, hey Bandit - got yer ears on? Had to take the last exit to evade "Junior", but I'm back on the pavement, east bound and down, and truckin' on to your grow! Sorry I arrived late, looks like you've been busy with more work in the plans. I can't wait to see what happens.
Crack a cold one for me with "Snowball" and I'll see you down the line.
You know I'm a hydro guy but I'm in this journal for the long haul. Keep on truckin' and watch out for Sheriff Buford T. Justice!

 

[Green007]

Oh yea, love that R2D2!
Where can I find one?

 

[Jasonlee247]

OB.

Sounds like an excellent plan. Sounds like you've got some constructing to do over yonder.

Any chance on explaining the reasoning behind what the guys mentioned above?

I know this statement won't effect your grow, but I did a light mover my entire grow, and just would like to know a little more info why it's not recommended? I thought a mover was to evenly distribute light to areas that normally wouldn't receive as much as a stationary setup?

Just curious, of course.

Thanks Bro.
Sf.

other than the 50watt per sq. ft. idea, If everyone used a light mover Hydrofarm would sell less lights. Therefore recommending to go with a light mover would hurt business. I talked to those guys alot when I was in the Biz, and they're nice guys and gals, but the do have limits on what they can and cant say on the clock.

Ob's got it spot on too, High wattage lights like a dual 1000 are great in a mover, but I've also seen really good yields from a 1000 on a 9'. any lower watttage and your not getting potential.
....you should be a hydro sales rep OB!!! I've talked to reps that knew a hellova lot less info than you got upstairs. WOOHOO!!!!

 

[Bandit420]

The Bandit's New Rig! Dual 430 watt, dual Ice Boxes, Dual Light Rails and oh yeah, my UFO can fly!

After kicking this plan around in my head the last couple months I finally aquired all the gear needed to do a custom bloom cab suited exactly to my style of cannabis cultivation.

I've built a 4'w x 6'l x 7'h cab out of 3/4" Thorboard plywood. The front of the cab is a panda film curtain that rides on a shower curtain style rod with velcro closures on the ends. The roof is made from 5 layers of black Sun Sail screen mesh. This material blocks out light yet allows warm air to rise out of the cab.

Lighting the cab are two 430 watt Son Agro lamps in Cool Tubes and two UFO LEDs. The 430s are on a light rail and one UFO is on another rail at the end of the garden. The second UFO is stationary.

Exausting the lamps as well as odor, heat, and humidity is a 6" Hydrofarm inline blower.
Fresh cooled air is supplied by two cool air injection lines.

In one move I was able to double my HPS light output and yet knock 5 degrees off my operating temps. The two 430s only have a small warm spot beneath the bulb. Every other parts of the cool tube is well, cool!
I was also able to eliminate a 120watt blower and the use of the CAP air 1 enviroment controller is no longer required. The light exaust takes care of all the exaust needs and is on a seperate timer to not only run with the lights on but also exausts the room for 15 mintues every hour during lights off.

So far my plants are really diggin' their new joint!

Here are the post construction pics of the lights. Happy plant pics will be coming soon!

 

[StinkFinger]

Looks stellar OB!

Can't wait until we see some plant in dar!

Good job on working the light movers out!

Sf

 

[Jasonlee247]

Sweet man! Great job on getting your cab up and running. Looks like the girls will love it! Past the 875w p ft arent you? Man I been gone for a couple days and its all done. sweet.

Can you tell me more about the screen stuff that you used on the roof of the cab? I'm not farmiliar with that stuff.............Hmmm...
+REPwhen I can!

 

[Green007]

Looks AWESOME Bandit! Leave it to you to come up with that idea. I too would like more info on that screen for your roof as well as some info on what controller can run the fan when the lights are on as well as every 15mins when they're off. Been looking for a controller like that for 1 light and fan with a carbon filter on it. +reps