iwltfum
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So let me challenge you to follow our example and find a way to stealthily insert yourself into said avatar.
It's alot harder than I thought it would be. You guys are pros...
Oh No - It's A Green Hole! - Reverse Thrusters! - Dammit - Too Late!
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It's alot harder than I thought it would be. You guys are pros...
iwltfum
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Ok, not the master of either camera or computer, but I think it's a pretty good vague representation...
lexort420
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Hey weasel i was wondering have you ever thought of doing LST? I suppose maybe it wouldn't be the best route since you end up going away for bits of time but i just figure it would give you a nonuniform look to your plants since i remember you were saying you miss the xmas tree shape. Just a thought. Take it easy bud.
Brilliant. I spotted it on my control panel and came right over to tell you. Excellent. I'm so proud of how you rose to the challenge. Reps+
It was so weird, but I read this and what flashed was Ranger's girl stretched along the twine. Did you ever follow his journal Weasel? I have no idea why that seemed relevant. I've learned not to question, just toss it out there.
I remember him saying something about how the plants interacted with the twine. Huh! I wonder why that would be remotely relevant? Who knows. Maybe it's meant to jump-start an idea somewhere. Well, there it is.
I'll wander off now.
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I love the awesome winter coats everyone is putting on. Very nice!
Things are a little busy with 'reality' and I'll catch up later. Could you explain more what you mean though, Lex?
To me Lst means tying the limbs down, mainly to spread them and make an even canopy, which is basically what I end up with under the scrog. If I'm going to top and lst I may as well go the whole way and scrog them as it works so well.
I only started scrogging not long before I started the journal. I do it because otherwise things get too out of control when I'm away a bunch, and have sativas and diferrent strains growing. I would like to grow some natural, untopped and untrained plants. Too late for this round but if the silica works to make them stronger, maybe untrained plants will work for me soon. I just like how they look when they grow completely naturally
Anyway- lots to catch up with here- but I have to run.
Things are a little busy with 'reality' and I'll catch up later. Could you explain more what you mean though, Lex?
To me Lst means tying the limbs down, mainly to spread them and make an even canopy, which is basically what I end up with under the scrog. If I'm going to top and lst I may as well go the whole way and scrog them as it works so well.
I only started scrogging not long before I started the journal. I do it because otherwise things get too out of control when I'm away a bunch, and have sativas and diferrent strains growing. I would like to grow some natural, untopped and untrained plants. Too late for this round but if the silica works to make them stronger, maybe untrained plants will work for me soon. I just like how they look when they grow completely naturally
Anyway- lots to catch up with here- but I have to run.
lexort420
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Well i guess what i was getting at was you could do away with the bulky screens and sculpt your plants to still keep them in check. I know my LST job isnt the best nor is it even but i like the character it gives my plants cause i never do it the same everytime. To me its like in the movie karate kid when mr myagi shows daniel how to do the bonsai trees except instead of trimming you would be bending and tying the branches. It is essentially the same as scrog true but at the same time a little different lol. For instance lightaddict has done some insane LST ill be back with a link to the journal im thinking of.
lexort420
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Btw i wanted to add that i didn't top my clones i bent them over and went from there so i guess i dont feel topping is nessacery. Ive topped then lst and this time i just lst'd lol
Wreckedsummer
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Off topic, but Weaselcracker, your profile pic is sooooooo dope! Congratulations on everything man, that whole 4.20pm opening blew my mind. Happy days, I hope you're well and life isn't to hectic for you!
I spent the start of my life as an Oregonian. This left me with an appreciation (ummm... complete infatuation) of outer wear. Love an awesome piece. Ma Gert is my personal hero.
This is a real problem in The Big Easy. I have a closet full for every occasion. I even have a full length leather duster with a thick ass liner. It's a real problem.
On the other hand... you should see the old ass stuff that comes out around here every winter. You tend not to wear out coats when use them 2 weeks a year.
KodiakKid
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I am an Oregonian. Love Gert!
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Ok. Real life has been getting in the way of my time on 420. How incredibly annoying!!!!
I have been reading all your posts here though, and even though I'm like 3 pages behind in my own damn journal, I so appreciate you guys, and all the lovely posts you have taken the time to write here. I think slowly most days, and write even more slowly, so the cogs are turning, and my typing finger is ready to type, but I just haven't had time to type a coherent response to some of the points raised. I still don't.
A few random thoughts on the purple droop in the veg room. And thanks for all your input, Tead, JoJo, and Lexort.
First- I often get purple stems and don't worry or pay much attention to it. In this case all five of these plants have gone through a transformation in the last few weeks. During the 6-12 months that I've been growing these particular strains I've become familiar with how they look. Now all of a sudden five plants/three strains have taken on a strange look- with these snaky looking purple stems and droopy leaves, and slow growth.
While I'm not very worried about it, and there's not serious harm being done so far, just weirdness and slow growth, it seems striking enough of a change after at least 6-12 months of fairly consistent results in the veg room, that I know for sure something is going on here.----
I got the results from my thermometer, Tead. Low was 70, high was 91. Ouch, a little high! So definitely not low temps in there. Good eye!
I turned the thermostat down by 5 degrees. I think that confirms my theory that it runs a little hot, as it was set at 80. Either that or the veg room fan is having trouble keeping up. It is pretty wimpy...
From what I can see here and understand of the symptoms- it's like these plants are showing signs of both N and P def. Both could be caused by overwatering. I don't think the high temps would cause these particular issues.
This could well just be an overwatering issue. Yes. Lexort I may be overwatering Ha ha! I did soak them down a couple times. Honestly though, I haven't exactly been coddling my veg plants in the last few years and it seems strange that they'd suddenly act up on me now, and act up so consistently among the five plants.
Here's another thought on the silica. As I said, I never read the silica owners manual. Still haven't, but I read enough in the last couple days to get myself more confused.
Silica apparently cannot remain soluble with a ph below 7. This fact fits perfectly with something I noticed.
I was mixing my nutrients up for the veg room. I measured out some grow formula and dumped it in the bucket of water. Then I poured a little silica into the un-rinsed measuring cup. It instantly reacted with the acidic grow formula that was coating the cup, and formed a sort of whitish flaky sludge that immediately sank to the bottom of the cup. Like most mistakes I do, I had to do things this several times before realizing that it was real and it was probably not good.
After that I started mixing the silica with water before dumping it in the grow/water mix.
I read last night that silica should be mixed in the water first before everything else. I haven't been doing that. I've just been adding it whenever, in whatever order.
I still don't see how it's going to work out, if it's going to precipitate out as soon as I get the ph down below 7. ( I ph to the 5.8-6.2 range)
Anyone have thoughts on this? OMU would know this one for sure.
I'm wondering if maybe my sloppy habits have compromised some of the nutrients in the feed solution.
I'm going to stop feeing silica to a couple of the plants, as a sort of side by side. Even though it's a hassle having so many different mixes going on for the different strains and stages.
Just thoughts...probably no need to write a book on the mystery of why my stems have gone purple. I just can't help wondering.
Could be overwatering (!)
Could be silica related incompetence.
Could be my old nemesis. Ph.
Over the years, ph and I have had a lot of phucking phantastic phun.
Could be something else.
I doubt it's serious. Just curious.
I have been reading all your posts here though, and even though I'm like 3 pages behind in my own damn journal, I so appreciate you guys, and all the lovely posts you have taken the time to write here. I think slowly most days, and write even more slowly, so the cogs are turning, and my typing finger is ready to type, but I just haven't had time to type a coherent response to some of the points raised. I still don't.
A few random thoughts on the purple droop in the veg room. And thanks for all your input, Tead, JoJo, and Lexort.
First- I often get purple stems and don't worry or pay much attention to it. In this case all five of these plants have gone through a transformation in the last few weeks. During the 6-12 months that I've been growing these particular strains I've become familiar with how they look. Now all of a sudden five plants/three strains have taken on a strange look- with these snaky looking purple stems and droopy leaves, and slow growth.
While I'm not very worried about it, and there's not serious harm being done so far, just weirdness and slow growth, it seems striking enough of a change after at least 6-12 months of fairly consistent results in the veg room, that I know for sure something is going on here.----
I got the results from my thermometer, Tead. Low was 70, high was 91. Ouch, a little high! So definitely not low temps in there. Good eye!
I turned the thermostat down by 5 degrees. I think that confirms my theory that it runs a little hot, as it was set at 80. Either that or the veg room fan is having trouble keeping up. It is pretty wimpy...
From what I can see here and understand of the symptoms- it's like these plants are showing signs of both N and P def. Both could be caused by overwatering. I don't think the high temps would cause these particular issues.
This could well just be an overwatering issue. Yes. Lexort I may be overwatering Ha ha! I did soak them down a couple times. Honestly though, I haven't exactly been coddling my veg plants in the last few years and it seems strange that they'd suddenly act up on me now, and act up so consistently among the five plants.
Here's another thought on the silica. As I said, I never read the silica owners manual. Still haven't, but I read enough in the last couple days to get myself more confused.
Silica apparently cannot remain soluble with a ph below 7. This fact fits perfectly with something I noticed.
I was mixing my nutrients up for the veg room. I measured out some grow formula and dumped it in the bucket of water. Then I poured a little silica into the un-rinsed measuring cup. It instantly reacted with the acidic grow formula that was coating the cup, and formed a sort of whitish flaky sludge that immediately sank to the bottom of the cup. Like most mistakes I do, I had to do things this several times before realizing that it was real and it was probably not good.
After that I started mixing the silica with water before dumping it in the grow/water mix.
I read last night that silica should be mixed in the water first before everything else. I haven't been doing that. I've just been adding it whenever, in whatever order.
I still don't see how it's going to work out, if it's going to precipitate out as soon as I get the ph down below 7. ( I ph to the 5.8-6.2 range)
Anyone have thoughts on this? OMU would know this one for sure.
I'm wondering if maybe my sloppy habits have compromised some of the nutrients in the feed solution.
I'm going to stop feeing silica to a couple of the plants, as a sort of side by side. Even though it's a hassle having so many different mixes going on for the different strains and stages.
Just thoughts...probably no need to write a book on the mystery of why my stems have gone purple. I just can't help wondering.
Could be overwatering (!)
Could be silica related incompetence.
Could be my old nemesis. Ph.
Over the years, ph and I have had a lot of phucking phantastic phun.
Could be something else.
I doubt it's serious. Just curious.
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Thanks Conradino and Potchimp. I left that Thai Stick in the flowering room with the girls and won't be back for several days. Hopefully it behaves. The alleged balls are pretty microscopic and even though it's just wishful thinking on my part, I just don't feel like chopping it when I can't see the evidence with my naked eyes.
I'll flower a mini clone if I want pollen. I can squeeze that in anywhere under a cfl.
I had read about using dry rice for storing pollen. I've saved a couple drowned cellphones with rice and am impressed with it's powers. My question was more to do with how you actually go about getting the pollen collected from the plant and into a jar without causing a pollen storm. That won't be so much of a question if I just grow a small male though. That big one was too awkward to maneuver around and I wasn't sure what I was going to do exactly- Spread a piece of plastic under it and wait, perhaps...
PotChimp I must say -those pictures aren't really making me desperate to sprout more Thai Stick. Instead they make me want to order up some Zamal seeds from Ace ASAP. The reasons for sprouting TS would be -
- stubbornness cause I don't want to give up now.
- curiosity and nostalgia about Thai sticks and (most) everything Thai
- to keep you company as you stand at the base and watch that beanstalk grow into the clouds.
I'll flower a mini clone if I want pollen. I can squeeze that in anywhere under a cfl.
I had read about using dry rice for storing pollen. I've saved a couple drowned cellphones with rice and am impressed with it's powers. My question was more to do with how you actually go about getting the pollen collected from the plant and into a jar without causing a pollen storm. That won't be so much of a question if I just grow a small male though. That big one was too awkward to maneuver around and I wasn't sure what I was going to do exactly- Spread a piece of plastic under it and wait, perhaps...
PotChimp I must say -those pictures aren't really making me desperate to sprout more Thai Stick. Instead they make me want to order up some Zamal seeds from Ace ASAP. The reasons for sprouting TS would be -
- stubbornness cause I don't want to give up now.
- curiosity and nostalgia about Thai sticks and (most) everything Thai
- to keep you company as you stand at the base and watch that beanstalk grow into the clouds.
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It was so weird, but I read this and what flashed was Ranger's girl stretched along the twine. Did you ever follow his journal Weasel? I have no idea why that seemed relevant. I've learned not to question, just toss it out there.
I remember him saying something about how the plants interacted with the twine. Huh! I wonder why that would be remotely relevant? Who knows. Maybe it's meant to jump-start an idea somewhere. Well, there it is.
I'll wander off now.
Just noticed this post now, Sue.
No I never followed Ranger's journal. Not behind glancing at it anyway. I mostly remember bumping into him on Nivek's journal, and here and there. I'll check that out.
Before I scrogged, I did lots of Lst. I still do but it all turns into the scrog greenscape for flowering. I couldn't get things very efficient without the screens, and well.... You see how floppy that Pineapple Chunk is now. Imagine it without a screen. It would be laying on the floor and I would be walking on it.
I know I said this before, but if the silica does it's job as some sort of plant Viagra, then I should be able to lose some of the screens. That would be nice. Really- it's just super convenient to have a nice bed for the plants to lay on, as I'm away a lot and can't be there to hold them up myself, and as they are sometimes feeling a bit droopy. Other times they want to grow to the ceiling and the screen obviously gives me something to lash them down to. But believe me, I'm sooo jealous when I see untopped plants like the ones in Spitz's tent.
Robert Celt
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Morning Weasel 
I see you are having concerns about your silica, here's some information that may interest you:
Lastly the often overlooked silicates: Silicates are used by plants to strengthen cell walls giving us sturdier, disease resistant plants. Potassium Silicate is commonly sold for this purpose but there is a cheaper alternative that is more readily available for uptake by our plants. Diatomaceous earth.
"Fortunately, many growers are now discovering the benefits of flowable silicon as an alternative to potassium silicate. Flowable silicon is pH neutral and it is derived from natural sources of silicon dioxide. The best source of flowable silicon comes from clean, finely-powdered diatomaceous earth."
and:
"DE is approximately 3% magnesium, 33% silicon, 19% calcium, 5% sodium, 2% iron and many other trace minerals such as titanium, boron, manganese, copper and zirconium."
That was some info I cam across in my research of organic amendments.
I see you are having concerns about your silica, here's some information that may interest you:
Lastly the often overlooked silicates: Silicates are used by plants to strengthen cell walls giving us sturdier, disease resistant plants. Potassium Silicate is commonly sold for this purpose but there is a cheaper alternative that is more readily available for uptake by our plants. Diatomaceous earth.
"Fortunately, many growers are now discovering the benefits of flowable silicon as an alternative to potassium silicate. Flowable silicon is pH neutral and it is derived from natural sources of silicon dioxide. The best source of flowable silicon comes from clean, finely-powdered diatomaceous earth."
and:
"DE is approximately 3% magnesium, 33% silicon, 19% calcium, 5% sodium, 2% iron and many other trace minerals such as titanium, boron, manganese, copper and zirconium."
That was some info I cam across in my research of organic amendments.
"I read last night that silica should be mixed in the water first before everything else."
My nutrient mix instructions mention to add the silica component first. I've always done it that way but love your little experiment.
I might add some other potential causes to your list....
Perhaps the strain is getting "long in the tooth" and is suffering some sort of long term problems.
Perhaps there is some problem in the medium. My hempy pots with anything other than pure perlite suffer a lot more in my high heat world. You mention temps around 90....
My nutrient mix instructions mention to add the silica component first. I've always done it that way but love your little experiment.
I might add some other potential causes to your list....
Perhaps the strain is getting "long in the tooth" and is suffering some sort of long term problems.
Perhaps there is some problem in the medium. My hempy pots with anything other than pure perlite suffer a lot more in my high heat world. You mention temps around 90....
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Thanks for the info Celt! the stuff I'm using is Silica Blast from Botanicare. When I get a chance I will read the label, Lol. I'll do a side by side with at least one of my duplicate plants. Probably one of the Blueberries, since the PC would seem to need all the silica it can get. The problem with most of the side by side experiments I have done is - all the other little issues that keep slipping into the picture to confuse everything. . Still, I'm very curious to see how it benefits the plants. It sounds like awesome stuff.
the stuff I'm using is Silica Blast from Botanicare. When I get a chance I will read the label, Lol. I'll do a side by side with at least one of my duplicate plants. Probably one of the Blueberries, since the PC would seem to need all the silica it can get. The problem with most of the side by side experiments I have done is - all the other little issues that keep slipping into the picture to confuse everything. . Still, I'm very curious to see how it benefits the plants. It sounds like awesome stuff.- Thread starter
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Do you really catch crawfish where you are Tead? That would be cool. I barely even know what a crawfish is. Kind of a tasty little freshwater lobster/shrimp, right?
I confess I had to look up who Ma Gert is. I don't have TV, live in the middle of nowhere, and don't get out much. Or rather- I'm out most of the time and don't get in much. What an awesome story, really inspiring.
I grew up in the Yukon mostly, in some extremely cold areas, and getting dressed and undressed was a big job there. Probably a full time job for my mom when I was kid. I seem to remember that it took nearly an hour to get on my ragged collection of shirts, sweaters, jackets, toques (google that one if you have to,lol), scarfs, big fluffy lace-up boots, snowsuit, gloves and mitts. By which time I would be sweating like a pig (I still haven't determined whether pigs sweat yet), totally claustrophobic, dying of heat stroke and frantic to get outside. Then anything that came up, like having to go to the bathroom was a near emergency situation as I tried to escape from all the layers. Nowadays they make better clothing. Back then I was probably wearing the equivalent of a half bin of second hand clothes from the thrift store.
Edit. Geez completely forgot what I was supposed to be talking about. Cannabis. Well I'm back to say thanks for all the awesome info and tips. I'll be re-reading and digesting all this stuff, and look at everything with a critical eye when I get back to the Green Hole.
Ps. Btw when I made the winter coats comment I was referring to the great new avatar pics that recently appeared.
I confess I had to look up who Ma Gert is. I don't have TV, live in the middle of nowhere, and don't get out much. Or rather- I'm out most of the time and don't get in much. What an awesome story, really inspiring.
I grew up in the Yukon mostly, in some extremely cold areas, and getting dressed and undressed was a big job there. Probably a full time job for my mom when I was kid. I seem to remember that it took nearly an hour to get on my ragged collection of shirts, sweaters, jackets, toques (google that one if you have to,lol), scarfs, big fluffy lace-up boots, snowsuit, gloves and mitts. By which time I would be sweating like a pig (I still haven't determined whether pigs sweat yet), totally claustrophobic, dying of heat stroke and frantic to get outside. Then anything that came up, like having to go to the bathroom was a near emergency situation as I tried to escape from all the layers. Nowadays they make better clothing. Back then I was probably wearing the equivalent of a half bin of second hand clothes from the thrift store.
Edit. Geez completely forgot what I was supposed to be talking about. Cannabis. Well I'm back to say thanks for all the awesome info and tips. I'll be re-reading and digesting all this stuff, and look at everything with a critical eye when I get back to the Green Hole.
Ps. Btw when I made the winter coats comment I was referring to the great new avatar pics that recently appeared.
In fact, I missed that subtle one. Not the sharpest some (all) days.
OH HELL YES I'D EAT ME SOME MUDBUGS!!! Damn right. Pinch dem tails and suck dem heads baby!
To be fair, out of towners don't really understand what a crawfish burl is. The true joy of crawfish consumption is done in back yards with tons of friends and hundreds of pounds of live crawfish.
The crawfish come from water called "brackish" water. It's kind of the areas where the Gulf of Mexico and the bayous and swamps meet. You get a mix of salt and fresh water. There's lots of this sort of land laying outside the populated areas around here. The crawfish can really get huge in this mix. I remember little crawdads in the lakes and rivers of Oregon in my youth. The local variety are MUCH larger. Locals use traps out in the swamps to catch them. Some folks are farming them these days as well.
They generally come in big 50lb bags. You flush them in fresh water to get all the swamp goo out of their innards. Boil up some Zat's Crab Boil (I like the liquid Zat's), sausage, corn, garlic, onion, artichoke, and whatever in a big huge metal pot. Bring the mix to a boil and toss in those squiggly little mudbugs straight in. Go grab a fresh Abita Amber while the bugs are boilin. Check the Saints score. When the bugs are done, you pull them out with your strainer and dump them mix straight onto a big picnic table with a hole cut in the middle and a garbage can underneath so that everyone can just bulldoze the remains into the trash. Everyone digs in, pulling out their favorite bonus bits along with gratuitous amounts of mudbugs. All the necessary banter occurs between bugs. It will be someone's first time eating mudbugs. A cute young girl in the corner will pretend to be squeemish while her boyfriend digs in mostly ignoring her. All the standard Rockwellian scenes occur with a backdrop of flowing beer (to quell the spice of course!). Probably a live band pumping out some local favorites.
I'm a fan... can you tell?