OG's Hi Brix Organic: LEDs, Perpetual Harvest

It's always amusing what clones taken in bloom look like at first:

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The plant equivalent of the deformed aliens that riply killed with fire in alien resurrection
 
Update. Group shot of large cabinet with 4 plants in 10 gallon pots
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This one is only just under two weeks in bloom:
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Here are the three that are one day before five weeks in bloom. After they finished their second cat drench they got 4 gallons of RO drained through them each and then rescue drench.
They also get weekly brix and twice weekly de-stress. Any tips?
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OttawaGreen said:
It's always amusing what clones taken in bloom look like at first:

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The plant equivalent of the deformed aliens that riply killed with fire in alien resurrection
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Massive, nearly fatal photoperiod stress. Gonna take months to get normal growth.
 
Just in case I wasn't clear, I was looking for suggestions for the large brown plants in the 10 gallon pots. If there
Is anything else I should do, or just wait and carry on.

This funny looking clone is fine, just took it 5 weeks into bloom is all.
 
You did rescue so I would ride it out. For max growth after cat drench I do all my drenches as 2.5ml tea plus 1.5oz GE and 1/4oz trans per 1 full kit soil.
 
OttawaGreen said:
Just in case I wasn't clear, I was looking for suggestions for the large brown plants in the 10 gallon pots. If there
Is anything else I should do, or just wait and carry on.

This funny looking clone is fine, just took it 5 weeks into bloom is all.
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Most of them are showing signs of poor roots, and one crispy one in particular appears to have zero microbial activity. The rescue drench should help get that back on track.

Were these the plants that were in 3 gallon pots for a while?

I think you should attempt to get your soil back alive for this grow....prune off all the bad leaves and see what happens in a week. If that crispy one can recover it will be a good learning experience for you......so pretty much get what you can out of this grow, and look to the next. You can and will do MUCH better than this next time.

I'm not sure where things went wrong on this one.
 
I'm sorry, OG - I didn't find your journal until lately, but I just finished reading through it. You had me puzzled until Jul 27th. :cheesygrinsmiley: It looked like they were getting too much of something - burnt, overfed. But it was clear that you had read the instructions and it seemed that everything was "normal", despite the consistent yellowing and poor vigor. I kept looking for light stress, trying to see how much they were getting. :hmmmm: But no, that was fine. You're an experienced grower, so no point in wondering about stupid stuff ... :hmmm: Finally, you let slip that they hadn't gotten any clean water. At all. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Oops! :cheesygrinsmiley:

And in one gallon pots, besides! :laugh:

I was getting embarassed, wondering what the heck went wrong - you didn't get much traffic, so no one really studied and asked you stuff. Ack! We can do better than that!

And then, bingo, the light goes on. Duggan gives two clean waterings between drenches in his big 26 gallon pots. And you were also spraying DeStress every 5-7 days, which is too often to keep up for very long. If one of us had been watching and known, we could have halted all this damage sooner. I was even wondering if it was toxic water, but then I saw that you have a 5-stage R/O, so nope.

They got overdosed - consistently. :laugh:

I have an instinctive suggestion. If anyone disagrees, please pipe up. Assume your biota have gone lazy and aren't inspired to eat rocks and reproduce n such. So they'll need a couple weeks to wake the F up. Tea would help, as would Transplant, but not as feed, but more like tweaks, microdosing, y'know? You'd like to point 'em in the right direction but make them do the work. So maybe give them a full dose of Tea in the next watering - just the Tea measure, then follow up a day or two later with a 1/4 dose of Trans. Watch what happens for a few days. Adjust accordingly, trying to encourage the biota to fall in line, and the plant to get the exudate/biota linkage back in shape.

They should green up a bit at the top. I've had more than one plant end up looking like yours, and when they recover, the new growth is good. The old fans will probably all go south though - been fading too long. They're only really necessary as sugar factories after growth stops though. The plant will replace what it needs.

Be wary of GE in this condition. I've had better luck doing Trans drenches when they're crispy like this.

Can't think of anything else right now, except, I'm sorry we let this happen. :Namaste:
 
weenmeoff said:
Hey OG! The 3 big ones are looking pretty good and am sure they will thrive once you do the rescue and then add in the straight water between drenches. What are the ratios of drench you are using? I use 1ml of drench per gallon of soil and am in 10's too so 10mls. Tea is .1 ml per gallon of soil so about 1 ml. I do the drench in about 1.5 gallons of water per plant (I have 2) and then somewhere between 1/2-1 gallon of water for the tea, 2mls, let sit for about 15 minutes and then split that between the 2 plants.

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What type of "Tea" do you use? Peako or......
 
Baker1053 said:
What type of "Tea" do you use? Peako or......
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I use 4 bags of store-bought generic black tea and one bag of Constant Comment in about a quart of boiling water. :cheesygrinsmiley: Then I dilute it with enough water to fill a beer pitcher to keep in the fridge. (I'm bad - I sweeten with aspertame).

But if you mean what do we feed to our plants, it's just called "Tea" - part of Doc Bud's HiBrix Blend - a living soil, organic method.
 
My idea is just instinct. Your biota aren't doing their work, so a dose of Tea will introduce new workers - seems the right thing to do. But the communications between roots and biota is also disfunctional right now, so you have get that kickstarted. Usually, that's a rescue drench which has a big dose of Transplant. But the soil has been getting too much stimulation, so that seems counter-productive, hence the 1/4 dose.

After a few days, they'll be drying out again, so there will be a little time to see if the upper growth is improved. If so, then you can increase the Trans dose. We have to get the organic linkages working again. The soil has had enough drench to bypass the soil life, reducing their population. Once the biota start responding to the roots, things should hook back up.

Doc's advice in this case is usually to flush heavily and then repopulate with a rescue drench. But a rescue drench is a heavy dose, and I doubt the soil needs much nutrition at this point.

It sure would be nice to get some more opinions. :hmmmm:

And yeah, trim off all the crap on the bloomers. At this point it's a liability for bugs and mold. Besides, they'll look better and you'll be happier. Trust me, I've been there. :laugh:
 
OttawaGreen said:
Oh and to answer docs question, they were not recently in the 3 gallon.
I guess my problem is I was not flushing with water.
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OttawaGreen said:
Also should I trim the brown fan leaves off to grow new ones, or let them die off on their own?
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The directions say:
Using Drenches:

Tea: All drenches are "served" with Tea, with two exceptions: The Super Drench and the Rescue Drench**

In High Brix growing, drenches do far more than feed the plant. They signal the plant to grow or re-produce, and they keep the biology in the soil happy and productive. This is where the magic happens! Water with straight water plus 1/4 strength Transplant between drenches except for the Cat Drench.

Growth Energy: This is where strong stems and healthy leaves come from. It is also used during the latter half of the bloom cycle to bulk up fruit and flowers. Mix at .5 to 1.0 mil per gallon of soil in the container.. Stronger doses can be used if needed, but generally you'll just waste product. Finishing the growing cycle on Growth Energy results in a sweeter produce.

Transplant: Should be used during the bloom phase alternating with Growth Energy. It is also used at
.5 to 1 mil per gallon of soil. Some growers have found that essential oil and resin production can be increased by using 1/4 oz of Transplant per 5 gallons of water evenly distributed to every plant with each and every watering....whether with a drench or with just plain water. Please note, this does not mean ¼ oz TO EVERY PLANT, but 1/4 oz into 5 gallons of water.

Cat Drench: This is used right when buds set. It is strongly reproductive in effect and if used at the wrong time will result in stunted growth and lower yields. Used at the proper time, unprecedented resin formation takes place.

While it is mixed at the same rate as the other drenches: .5 to 1 mil per gallon of soil in the container, it differs from the other drenches in that it is used twice in a row (no water in between applications). Using Cat Drench late in bloom may increase certain flavors and smells, but it also results in a more "gamey" flavor in produce.

These are the basic instructions for using the kit! A few pointers:

When in doubt about which drench to use, use Growth Energy.
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Next time water at least once between drenches....per the directions.
 
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