Oct 2022 - Auto Grow - 4 Different Strains - AutoPots - Coco

More Day 30 Shenanigans - Critical Topping

After that last photo session, as I was processing the pics, I realized that Critical Purple was ready to be topped.

Well, that's just what happened tonight. I also followed the Bill Ward training technique of taking the highest fan leaves to help slow the growth further along with the topping.

Removing those solar panels, joins the topping with a jolt of stress that slows down growth for a few days, which allows some of the smaller lower bud sites a chance to catch up.

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Your Purple Lemonades look like they've finally had a growth spurt. Are you planning on topping them?
 
Day 31 - Notes & Photos

Overall Notes:


  • CP is the most robust plant in the tent.
  • GG has the most foliage (per size of the plant).
  • Purple Lemonades are just freaky and tall.
  • All plants are taking up the nutrients very well. There is just a little leaf spotting.
  • At lights out, all get a Ca/Mg Foliar & Thorough Micro Nutrient Foliar.



Critical Purple - Day 31 Photos

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Day 31 - Gorilla Glue Photos

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Purple Lemonade #1 - Day 31 Photos

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Purple Lemonades - Day 31 Photos

I decided to stake them and let them be what they want to be.


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Day 32 (So Far) - More Pruning

This morning, after 2 days rest, I decided to continue the Bill Ward technique of removing tops and some of the higher fan leaves after topping.

His thinking is that the stress slows down the top growth and allows the lower bud sites a chance to rise.

I topped Gorilla Glue yesterday, so tommorow I will do the same.

As I said before, I am just going to stake the Purple Lemonades and let them do what they will.

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@HashGirl

I am still on the fence about topping. As of now, there are only 3 nodes. And those are mile apart.

I normally don't count the lower nodes that have not yet produced five-finger leaves. To me, those are mature nodes. That's just my way of looking at it. I could be wrong. If I remember, I think I am counting those immature nodes to get to three total.

I have thought about these two plants a lot. I think I am going to stake them, and let them run.

They are under their own light, so I can customize their grow as though they are the only two in the tent.

What's funny, these scrawny daddy-long-legs are already in preflower. I think that's why I am ok with letting them run.

** Note: I reserve the right to change my mind at any minute. :ganjamon:

Your Purple Lemonades look like they've finally had a growth spurt. Are you planning on topping them?
 
Day 33 - Photos and Other Curosities

Things are strumming along. However, I have 3 plants screaming for "More Cow Bell" and one who thinks she Eyore the sad donkey.

I think Gorilla Glue is just light fatigued. I noticed the DLI was up to 44 on her. The good news is that this pic was taken about five minutes before lights out.

For the Purple Lemonades, #1 is definitely more advanced with pre-flower than PL#2.

It's fun to see the three different phenotypes. CP is tall and branched out, whereas GG is short and stocky, with lots of foliage.

PL's are a beast unto themselves. Tall and lanky, while refusing to grow laterally.

As you will see, I have two healthy seedlings in the wings. Those two were supposed to fight it out for the SIP bucket, but now they may get a fabric bag final home.

I say this because last night I scored Gnome Genetics Black Strap Seeds. I've been waiting for these to become available. Plus, they come with some over-the-horizon freebies called Methane.

Now enjoy the sight of the Friday Grow Tent Special :ciao:

Remember, when not trying to diagnose something, I take liberties with reality when processing photos.



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Pretty happy looking plants! :thumb:

That potential deficiency could be calcium, but I only see one spot and I'd image your nutes have that covered.

I agree. And I am on it.

I tend to follow this growing philosiphy of "BillFarthing" from over at THC Farmer. Unfortunately he has been missing in action as of late.

His "Ballin' On a Budget" recipe thread is ledgendary.

As for calcium, he says this is about the time (transition) for extra calcium. So, I made a foliar spray out of CaliMagic.

I have Calcium EDTA, but someone said the sodium levels are pretty high in this version. Sometimes it gets hard to tell Bro-Science from real science. Having said that, I think the EDTA is good for foliar. Even so, I also have some Gypsum for foliar. It's Cheap.

Here are some paraphrased quotes from him on this:

"Transition is also the perfect time for a calcium application, which is when it requires it the most in it's life cycle. It revs up the plants metabolism for flower and prevents light tops. I suggest calcium acetate, calcium EDTA or Metalosate calcium."

Calcium at Transition: "At transition, you can bump the increased calcium intake at 0.2-0.4g/gallon of calcium acetate."

Also (assuming Jack's is base nute):

"I just recommend fulvic for chelation/organic acids, silica for strong stems and a bit of calcium and cytokinin dominant kelp for structure and vigor at transition. Potassium dominant bloom booster week 6 of flower. A majority of the work is done by the base fertilizer."

Obviously, I don't follow every word of the Ballin' thread, but it is based around using Jack's 3-2-1, which I have become a big fan of those nutrients. That thread is the reason I use Mr. Fulvic and Mono-Silicic Acid. He also differentiates the differences in Kelp.

Bill says: "I personally don't use a lot of kelp because the micros aren't chelated and the high sodium content. If you want an auxin-dominant kelp for veg, look up Kelpack's ecklonia maxima. Cytokinin-dominant kelp, ascophylum nodosum used as a foliar one time at transition prevents stretch and improves plant structure."

As for Kelp: I follow the science behind the Virginia Tech's study that showed the combination of Humic Acid & Kelp at a 5:2 ratio proved 50% more root mass than either product used separately.

I learned the above watching Harley Smith videos:

I get my 5:2 mix from KelpForLess, but I don't know if they use the cytokinin-dominant variation. Shame on me.

Back to Jacks: Since the "ballin'" thread was started, Jacks has since raised the amount of ingredients in the recipe (except for Epsom). I'm guessing this was to address issues like Calcium deficiencies. For instsance, A is now 3.79 g (p/gal) whereas it was 3.6 before. B is now 2.52 g/gal, before it was 2.4. Epsom dropped from 1.2 grams to 0.99.

I don't know the exact E.C. change, but I think the new recipe runs close to 1.9.

If you made it this far, thanks for sticking with this coffee-generated "More-Than-You-Ever-Wanted-To-Read" comments.

:Namaste:
 
Day 34 - Not Much to Report ... Except

Last night, I made an executive decision. I decided to remove two large fan leaves. They were blocking a few future bud sites that I would like to catch up to the freshly topped Gorilla Glue. Tucking was not going to work.

This is the last top-of-plant related trimming because flowering is around the corner. I've already removed the two bottom nodes as I wait for the plant to get to a point where lolipopping is appropriate.

Keep in mind, I am not worried about affecting yield. I only grow for myself. I'll get enough (and more) to last me through growing periods. My intention is to experiement on AutoFlower plants to either confirm or debunk Bro-Science claims. Some of these so-called wivestales seem to date back to the early-day versions of the less robust AFs.

I'm perfectly OK being terribly wrong with my choices.

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Thanks for that write-up. I always like to hear of the science ways of doing things. I grow organically and have a water soluble calcium extract I made. I noticed some cal deficiencies in my plants about two weeks after flip but I have a several new changes I've made, any one of which could be the issue.

I'm also enjoying your macro shots. Nice to see close ups of very healthy plants. :thumb:
 
Day 35 - Last Minute Call From the Governor ...

A few days ago, I decided to wait until Day 35 to decide on pulling the gangly low-node Purple Lemonades.

Right after making that decision wouldn't you know, Purple Lemonade #1 jumped into flowering. I'll take "fear of death" as a motivator any time.

On the other hand, PL#2 is lagging.

In all fairness, Critical Purple and Gorilla Glue are not in flower yet either. Although, they are busy making noticable flower making areas.

This "live-or-let-die" decision was made easy because I had 2 more seedlings in the wings. Although, I may be back to one seedling if my Cheese XXL doesn't improve (pics to follow).



Now Let's get to some Other Grow Notes:

Retreat on the Recharge


(1) I gave them their first Recharge this past Friday PM.

(2) I may have screwed up the Recharge Application by applying with the current nutrient mix.

I'll explain. Remember I am growing in AutoPots, so the lower section of my pot is damp with nutrients at all times. Normally, this creates a beautiful homestasis. The top part stays damp too, but a lot less damp. Roots are free to head South for food when needed. The top roots stay in a nice enviroment, never drying out, but never overwatered.

Well, this genius decided to turn off the valves to each plant's reservoir (at the pot). Then drain the nutrient-lled water from all 4 AutoPots, then top off with another 2 liters from the master reservoir. This gave me a liter for each plant when I returned the Recharged Nutrients back to the pots.

On paper this is a great idea. Yet it wasn't a good idea by giving a litter of fluid to the top of the pot.

Oh, it gets worse. You see, I only took out about 500 ML of nutrients from each pot's rez. Yet, I put back in a liter.

But wait, there's more. Once the excess passed through the coco, I drained the excess and put it through the coco again, while trying to add to places that looked dry on the surface. I wanted the whole pot to enjoy the lovely Recahrge Spa Tratment.

On the other hand, I just created an extremely damp environment in the coco. Now, I have "air" being pumped into the root zone, so I don't fear root rot (yet). Plus my rez always has something in it that attacks the cause of roor rot.

Nevertheless, the roots are having to deal with a lot more moisture then they are used to having around the roots.

Only one plant (Gorilla Glue) showed over-watering signs, curled and downward pointing leaves.

What's the Lesson Learned? :

Next time, I'll drain the individual pot reservoirs, then only apply 500 ml to mostly one area. Since using a smaller amount, I'll repeat this once a week moving around the plant each time to a new location. That way, over a month's period the whole circumfrence of the plant will have gotten the Recharge to its "zone."

Mainly, I won't keep draining and re-running the liquid over and over trying to make each zone all Recharged up. My thinking is that if only applying Recharge to only 25% to the pot, some of the microbes will go out and explore other areas of the root zone. If not, in a week their root zone neighbors will get their dose of the dark-water goodness. Plus, I won't over saturate the whole pot and it will stay mostly as AutoPots naturally do - more moisture a the bottom than at the top. The extra fluid will be in a finite water column.

Finally, if any of the poured Recharge makes it down to the reservoir that's ok too. It won't be enough to mess with the "waterline" each AquaValve allows for. So, after about 20 minutes and checking gravity's work, I'll turn the valves back on and let the reservoirs fill up naturally. If there is some of the Recharge mixed in with the newly-added nutrients ... it's all good.

Bottomline: "Too much of a good thing = a possible bad thing." ~~ Wise Old Navy Guy



Next Notable Happening: Bottom 1/3rd Day

I decided to do a first Bottom 1/3rd Removal Day after I took these iPad pics. You'll have to wait until tomorrow. : )

Until, I've added graphic to help grease your imagination.

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And when you say bottom third removed I'm assuming it's the node plus it's associated fan leaf?

Everything.

I'll get the camera out when the lights come back on later this afternoon.

The Gorilla glue is very small and pretty low to the ground. It's about the size of a cantaloupe. So, doing a third is not practical yet. Although I did remove some branches from the first two nodes.

I decided to leave 4 nodes up (I think).

On the CP, I think I left 4, maybe 3 nodes up. I counted potential flower locations and was happy with the number I left. Think it was 8 or 10.
 
Day 36 - Cleaned Up for Monday Photos


  • I've been torturing the poor Gorilla Glue.
  • I've removed a lot of leaves blocking bud sites.
  • Tucking was just not enough.
  • Cleaned out any smaller underneath leaves that just suck on the resources.
  • Plus, any leaves facing the plant's main stem are "outta here.
  • "Purple Lemonade #1 sure isn't pretty, but it's still the only plant truly showing flowering.
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Day 37 - the Calcium Monster

A couple of days ago, I noticed that Goilla Glue was showing some deficiencies.

My gut (and the internet) told me that I was most likely looking at a Ca issue.

This is happening even though, my coco was double buffered by me with two sessions of 24 hours each time. Plus, my Jack's recipe has more Ca(NO3)2 (Part B) than the last time I grew. They raised both A&B.

With all this preparation and improved diet, Coco Coir still gives me the middle finger.

My First Attack:

So, I decided to go at this a different way. First, a good old-fashion Ca/Mg Foliar spray. Then I added 10ml (mixture) to a syringe with a 4-inch blunt needle and pumped into the soil about 3-inches away from the stem. I started at the 12-o'clock position and about every 12 hours I have moved to the 3-o'clock and this morning the 6-o'clock mark on the pot. This evening I'll put 10 ml more at the 9-o'clock mark.

The good news is I didn't see new trouble this AM.

My Plan B:

If the above doesn't work, since I am using AutoPots and I am relectant to top "drench" more after the Rechsrge incident, I may apply a small amount of concentrated Ca/Mg to the each pot's bottom reservoir. I know there is about 250 ml of nutrient fluid at any given time in these reservoirs (and under the media). So, my concentrated mixture will be based 1-gallon divided by 8 (for 1/2 strength). So, if Cali-Magic is 1 ml a liter, I'll stir 0.125 ml of straight Ca/Mg into the mini-reservoirs (instead of the normal 0.250 ml).

By going straight to the pot's reservoir, the Ca/Mg circumvents the main reservoir (12-gal) and should allow the lower roots close to immediate access.

So, to recap, Plan A is foliar and 10 ml injections (diluted to per-1-gallon ratio) 4-to-5 inches into the coco. If that doesn't stop signs of a deficiency, then Plan B is add a 1/2-ratio diluted solution to each unit's reservoir.

I do realize if I go to far with the Ca/Mg that it could cause potassium, magnesium, manganese and iron lockout deficiencies.
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Day 37 - MORE on Calcium Monster

Note: These pictures are heavily processed to accentuate Calcium issues.
So, don't take the dark green coloring as accurate. Nitrogen is okay (so far) with these plants.

These photos are for visual stimulation only!


By the way, I'm assuming from internet sluething that this is a Ca issue, by all means correct me if I have it wrong.

I decided to take a closer look at the Gorilla Glue calcium issues. These are just iPhone pics that have been "heavily massaged" with my normal photo processor (DxO Photo Lab 6 Elite).

As I wrote above, I think I have a good plan to stop this trend. These pics are from Gorilla Glue, but later in my next photo posting, you will see that the Purple Lemonades have some CA issues too.


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Day 39 - Photos & Notes


  • Gorilla Glue seems to be under Calcium Control.
  • Critical Purple is Maintenance Free So Far.
  • The Purple Lemonades may be funny looking, but they are the first to flower.
  • PL#2 is now showing small signs of pre-flowering.

  • I added about 1ml of Ca/Mg to GG's small reservoir, and I continue to foliar feed Ca/Mg.
  • I removed a few stem-facing leaves. All flower sites are exposed to max lighting now.



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