Nick Hardy's Skunk Works #4 Mars Hydro FC Evo 12x OG Kush Solos 4x4 - Viva Voce Grow

[NickHardy]

The other grow(s) post defol and topping are great. They’re remarkably consistent in height. About 60cm - 24” out of the dirt. Solid structure and although we have 10ft plus ceilings in the flower room I don’t want that this grow. We have all this growth can’t get light to and then they fall over

We’re up potting Sunday, NYE. When I’m sure & Co understands its happening in the morning then tomorrow I’ll flip lights out at 8pm or switch them off 2am Friday morning at back on Saturday 8am. Actually can’t risk that here. We flip Sunday night. They can begin the new year on 12/12. That’t a saving of:

480w x 3 (1440w) x 6 hours per day saving.

Cool!

Of course I’m adding in another,

730w x 2 (1460w) x 12 hours per day cost increase so I net out significantly worse

(That will be 480w x3, 730w x 3 and 1000w for 4630w running at 100%)

I can’t even figure it with the vig…

The lights are about the same above. 60cm - 24” from canopy on 75%. The pots are 15cm high, 16cm diameter, ignoring the taper 3L or 0.75 gallons. We’ve basically only ever used these @Mars Hydro FCE4800’s like this, for veg. Just they grow slow and that gives us time when the flower room is running behind (always) We’re gonna flower under them for the first time.

Dr MJ Coco who reviews lights raves about them and the bang for your buck you get for your PPFD. He reckons he paid for his rather than returning the review model. I can’t comment really yet as never flowered under them but love them for veg.

My only real gripes are around the design.

You have to self assemble and measure the bar spacing and twist in the finger screws to hold them. For that - just pit some guide marks on - here you want fully even, here you want more to the edges wilhich they say “its a feature” well put stickers or better yet dimples they fir to.

The cables are a ballache to. They unbalance the light, when you get it balance you knock the cable watering or something you gotta start again. They hang everywhere. We’ll cable tie them up when we flip to flower and run the irrigation for the 12 going in here but also the connectors themselves (you click and twist them yourself when assembling) - a load more failure points. We’ve had them burn out on our FC6500 and they only have one per light.

They run hot too. & Co burnt her cheek on one earlier. Just enough to curse, not hurt.

By contrast the FC Series (FCE means they use Bridgelux/Electrolux LEDs not Samsung) runs the cables internally and they run cool to touch. You can leave your hand there all day long and it won’t get hot (we have removed the drivers on both so its not that) The FC4800 Evo runs not quite as cool as the FC6500’s but close.

That’s not meant to come across like a bad review at all. I’d probably rather veg under this light than any of our others. The cabling issue if I start trusting my sparky again I can see a way we could improve it, remove the connectors and cable tie the cables neatly twisted together for example, we ever build the custom building to grow in I’d probably have a veg/seedling room using these. Someone’s buying them, the new FC6500 Evos have the same cable routing. I looked today wondering if I needed another light. They’re $850 though. That’s way more than a new Meijiu with the discount they were kind enough to offer me!

Anyway last plants for the day,

The reason I figured out the pot size was to see why the Panty Punch is yellowing. Under watered. They got 1l x 3 times each today. Like hardly any run off.

Greedy bastards. Hard to get decent trich shots as the airflow is set for 20 plants so they move quite a bit being on their own

When the younger girls move up here we will actually have a couple of spare spots. They can be watered by collars too. Put them off on the edges for the last couple of weeks. Can still feed them full flower nutes but not have to carry 6L of water up the stairs

Nick

 

[NickHardy]

Seems very unlikely and like you’d handicap the plant at the worst time. The way plants transition into flower involves the phytochrome red and far red. Once it has measured this change in darkness (which it does the very first night you flip when indoors. It’s more gradual outdoors with changing seasons) the hormones begin to shift, but nutrient requirements shoot up almost instantly. When nutrient requirements shoot up your plant needs a way to photosynthesize this because it only stores up so much for use before it needs more. This is why so many growers see deficiencies within 2-3 weeks of switching to flower because there isn’t enough stored up to carry the plant through and it needs more than it has available. So right when your plant needs to be on its game the most, you cut off its energy source.

Now, this is all based on my current knowledge of plant growth. I’ve just now begun to research the specific hormones and their processes. @ReservoirDog may know things I don’t or may be a bit more ahead of the curve on it. I don’t think I’m wrong, but I’m also not the kind of person who learns something then refuses to learn anything new. The whole point of science in my mind, is to constantly learn and adjust to new information, not treat it like it’s going to kill my family.

Thanks Keffka

My understanding was there was a hormone (looked it up and its Florigen, but sure there is another beginning with A) As the days shorten it builds up and then that activates to the flower stage.

I just saw a paper, read the premise only, where they say administering Florigen in late veg can help shorten the transition to flower time and help manage stretch (stretch I guess is inconvenient the larger you scale up your grows). There’s also something called Giberellins at play that control all sorts of that change. I think (I just skimmed the last few minutes) Florigen triggers Giberellins to move on to the next stage. I guess Giberellins faikure are the cause of hermies as they also control seed production.

Probably a massive simplification and/or wrong

RD posted I think in SIP club he’d been doing this 36 hour darkness for a long time. Several years?

His rationale was indoor is faster than out door anyway. The days shorten much more slowly (than “screw you 6 hours less light from tonight young lady!”) as the hormone trigger to flower builds.

By giving them a full 36 consecutive hours of darkness at flip you supercharge that hormone production so they flip quicker saving up to a week of growth.

He was about on the site earlier, be interested to try it. Maybe not on the produxtion grows! But this seems like the grow to do it in. Of the four

As ever thanks foe responding to the tag Keffka - and as ai might have missed you, hope it was a lovely Christmas/Holiday and fun is planned for NYE!

Nick

 

[NickHardy]

I watered again at 12am. They took a full 200ml again, although as the different growth rates become more marked they run off with a decent 30 second spread now.

But still 600ml into a 400 ml pot.

Today I fed 3000ml into a 3000ml pot.

Ultimately see on yield and they’re autos. They also hmm - they’ve actually had a really nice life the Autos. Loads of Co2 and under 730w. These will go way taller for sure.

Dunno different stages but these are using 20% the nutes and wait slow brain… 15% the coco? 3L is 110z 14-15%.

So yeah, the OG Kush Auto is only 60cm that pot. These are nearly there in veg .

Pretty sure these yield more. Bit unfair. Autos and no topping maybe? The autos will be the cheapest cost per gram ever! Free seeds, 6L of coco and zero care time!

Free seeds - its the future, eh Bill!

 

[InTheShed]

I just saw a paper, read the premise only, where they say administering Florigen in late veg can help shorten the transition to flower time and help manage stretch (stretch I guess is inconvenient the larger you scale up your grows). There’s also something called Giberellins at play that control all sorts of that change. I think (I just skimmed the last few minutes) Florigen triggers Giberellins to move on to the next stage. I guess Giberellins faikure are the cause of hermies as they also control seed production.

If you want to have an excellent discussion about flowering hormones, stop by Maritimer's thread and ask him about MeJA (Methyl jasmonate). He gets amazing results in flower with it.

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[Jon]

FedEx meh.

Duty is 4100THB if I’m lucky apparently. $120

I’m paying duty on the the $60 shipping fee as well

So if it doesn’t go up the light cost me $430. Its $580 delivered so guess I saved something which is better than a slap in the face

Running maintenance on the upstairs flower room. This is gross

Fitting some pre filters in a minute and giving these a bloody good clean!

Nick

God man. You never stop working. I took in the wrong guy.

 

[Jon]

Thanks Keffka

My understanding was there was a hormone (looked it up and its Florigen, but sure there is another beginning with A) As the days shorten it builds up and then that activates to the flower stage.

I just saw a paper, read the premise only, where they say administering Florigen in late veg can help shorten the transition to flower time and help manage stretch (stretch I guess is inconvenient the larger you scale up your grows). There’s also something called Giberellins at play that control all sorts of that change. I think (I just skimmed the last few minutes) Florigen triggers Giberellins to move on to the next stage. I guess Giberellins faikure are the cause of hermies as they also control seed production.

Probably a massive simplification and/or wrong

RD posted I think in SIP club he’d been doing this 36 hour darkness for a long time. Several years?

His rationale was indoor is faster than out door anyway. The days shorten much more slowly (than “screw you 6 hours less light from tonight young lady!”) as the hormone trigger to flower builds.

By giving them a full 36 consecutive hours of darkness at flip you supercharge that hormone production so they flip quicker saving up to a week of growth.

He was about on the site earlier, be interested to try it. Maybe not on the produxtion grows! But this seems like the grow to do it in. Of the four

As ever thanks foe responding to the tag Keffka - and as ai might have missed you, hope it was a lovely Christmas/Holiday and fun is planned for NYE!

Nick

I’ve been dying to try that. My boy across state did it and sent me pics. It seems to make them begin budding WAY faster. His before pic was like any other plants at flip. 36 hours of dark later, every cola had a big cotton ball. So my impression was that it somehow accelerated the process. But I’m scared to try it every time I remember. I’m the one guy that would end up with a tent of hermies. Lol

 

[NickHardy]

I’ve been dying to try that. My boy across state did it and sent me pics. It seems to make them begin budding WAY faster. His before pic was like any other plants at flip. 36 hours of dark later, every cola had a big cotton ball. So my impression was that it somehow accelerated the process. But I’m scared to try it every time I remember. I’m the one guy that would end up with a tent of hermies. Lol

Not if I do it first!

We didn’t say yield what? Well I have a Commercial Fk Ton of seeds - all you’ve got is a couple of pounds of buds

 

[NickHardy]

SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium

Good morning my friends 💚 Just a little update on the Dosi Zookies auto in the SIP. I made a couple tweeks in the Bud Bunker and after giving her a minute with a emptied res she seems to be on the road to recovery. I raised the room temp to 78°F and brought the humidity up to 61%, I also took...

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This is RD on the 36 Hour thing. You can click to see the original but his post below this linked one is where he gives a little more detail.

My one thought its watering? Especially in coco and more so in small pots.

I guess I could throw them some rations blind, maybe 100ml each, half rations on the same 6 hour schedule?

Water consumption goes down at night, right - but it doesn’t just stop.

Ooph. Do I dare? Finishing a journal sooner is the main motivation testing something out is always fun.

If I don’t then I’m getting old.

Ho hum.

Would need to seal up the tent sooner. Its not very light tight now.

Maybe dropping the lights to 25% would be a safer option?

Ooh do I dare disturb the universe?

And indeed there will be time
To wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Do I dare?”
Time to turn back and descend the stair,
With a bald spot in the middle of my hair —
(They will say: “How his hair is growing thin!”)
My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,
My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin —
(They will say: “But how his arms and legs are thin!”)
Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.

 

[Jon]

Not if I do it first!

We didn’t say yield what? Well I have a Commercial Fk Ton of seeds - all you’ve got is a couple of pounds of buds

I hadn’t considered that you evil gnome. No seeds! If you get seeds you gotta deseed before weighing. Seeds. lol. Come on man. And btw - I’m planning on taking 3+ to 4 pounds out of my seven autos. A kilo and a half ought to beat you I think.

 

[Jon]

SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium

Good morning my friends 💚 Just a little update on the Dosi Zookies auto in the SIP. I made a couple tweeks in the Bud Bunker and after giving her a minute with a emptied res she seems to be on the road to recovery. I raised the room temp to 78°F and brought the humidity up to 61%, I also took...

www.420magazine.com

This is RD on the 36 Hour thing. You can click to see the original but his post below this linked one is where he gives a little more detail.

My one thought its watering? Especially in coco and more so in small pots.

I guess I could throw them some rations blind, maybe 100ml each, half rations on the same 6 hour schedule?

Water consumption goes down at night, right - but it doesn’t just stop.

Ooph. Do I dare? Finishing a journal sooner is the main motivation testing something out is always fun.

If I don’t then I’m getting old.

Ho hum.

Would need to seal up the tent sooner. Its not very light tight now.

Maybe dropping the lights to 25% would be a safer option?

Ooh do I dare disturb the universe?

Is that your poetry?

What’s the big deal about watering? I don’t think a few minutes of ambient light interrupting the 36 hours would do anything. Plus, it’s only 36 hours. I’d time it to begin right after a feeding - no watering necessary. They’re also gonna drink a lot slower in the dark. I may try it with the Northern Lights auto, my rogue plant that doesn’t fit in any journal.

 

[NickHardy]

And btw - I’m planning on taking 3+ to 4 pounds out of my seven autos. A kilo and a half ought to beat you I think.

That was 100% a joke .

I’d say any plant gets a seed is disqualified but ai’m easy. Def trim out - my motivation is & Co just did 600g like that and swore never again or she’d take the tweezers and clippers to my most sensitive parts I hermied a plant again.

But -

3-4 pounds? I’m thinking more 2kg+ - 5/6 lbs

Is that your poetry?

No no way, maybe my favourite poem though. The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock by TS Eliot. Coined a punch of phrases like “Do I dare disturb the Universe” written back in the 1920’s? Or maybe 30’s.

Here’s a link to the full version. There’s lines for all there.

 

[Jon]

That was 100% a joke .

I’d say any plant gets a seed is disqualified but ai’m easy. Def trim out - my motivation is & Co just did 600g like that and swore never again or she’d take the tweezers and clippers to my most sensitive parts I hermied a plant again.

But -

3-4 pounds? I’m thinking more 2kg+ - 5/6 lbs



No no way, maybe my favourite poem though. The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock by TS Eliot. Coined a punch of phrases like “Do I dare disturb the Universe” written back in the 1920’s? Or maybe 30’s.

Here’s a link to the full version. There’s lines for all there.

God, I certainly should have remembered that. So much for that English major at Penn. Goddamn Grateful Dead. Lol! Today I went to lunch at our restaurant where we have to spend x a month. I gifted my favorite server, this hot 20-something girl named Kensi, a small jar of my best head stash. We had spoken about weed a month ago and I knew she smoked. I gave it to her wrapped as a gift in a gift bag, while she waited on me. Lmao! In the bag was a 420 Magazine sticker with my name and cell. I can’t wait for the first text. Ha! Told her she’d best open it at home later. She knew what was up. My kinda girl.

You think you can jar 6 pounds from a 5x5? Heh. Okay. I’ll believe it when I see it. You’re talking crazy, CO2 or not. 6 pounds. Prove me wrong. I’d LOVE to see a six pound 5x5 grow. No way. None.

 

[Jon]

God, I certainly should have remembered that. So much for that English major at Penn. Goddamn Grateful Dead. Lol! Today I went to lunch at our restaurant where we have to spend x a month. I gifted my favorite server, this hot 20-something girl named Kensi, a small jar of my best head stash. We had spoken about weed a month ago and I knew she smoked. I gave it to her wrapped as a gift in a gift bag, while she waited on me. Lmao! In the bag was a 420 Magazine sticker with my name and cell. I can’t wait for the first text. Ha! Told her she’d best open it at home later. She knew what was up. My kinda girl.

You think you can jar 6 pounds from a 5x5? Heh. Okay. I’ll believe it when I see it. You’re talking crazy, CO2 or not. 6 pounds. Prove me wrong. I’d LOVE to see a six pound 5x5 grow. No way. None.

@InTheShed, you’re laughing, so lemme put you on the spot - 6 lbs? From ANYTHING in a 5x5x6.5? Do you think that is even possible? I don’t see how. But I have been known to be wrong on occasion, lol. I know you won’t take sides (I don’t *think*), but what do you think about the six pound thing and if it’s possible? Heh. Thanks. Or not if you don’t want to answer, lol.

 

[Jon]

@InTheShed, you’re laughing, so lemme put you on the spot - 6 lbs? From ANYTHING in a 5x5x6.5? Do you think that is even possible? I don’t see how. But I have been known to be wrong on occasion, lol. I know you won’t take sides (I don’t *think*), but what do you think about the six pound thing and if it’s possible? Heh. Thanks. Or not if you don’t want to answer, lol.

I take it back. It’s easy. Just grow one plant and lollipop it so you end up with one 5x5 cola. That might be 6 elbows. I suggest having a lot of moving air.

 

[Jon]

Sorry @NickHardy, one more…

6 pounds is 2724 grams. Let that number sink in. 2724. TRIMMED AND JARRED AT 62% WITH ZERO SEEDS.



Okay. Show me.

Impossible.

 

[InTheShed]

@InTheShed, you’re laughing, so lemme put you on the spot - 6 lbs? From ANYTHING in a 5x5x6.5? Do you think that is even possible? I don’t see how. But I have been known to be wrong on occasion, lol. I know you won’t take sides (I don’t *think*), but what do you think about the six pound thing and if it’s possible? Heh. Thanks. Or not if you don’t want to answer, lol.

Oh heavens no Jon, I wasn't laughing at that! I just found your phraseology funny in your closing paragraph:

You think you can jar 6 pounds from a 5x5? Heh. Okay. I’ll believe it when I see it. You’re talking crazy, CO2 or not. 6 pounds. Prove me wrong. I’d LOVE to see a six pound 5x5 grow. No way. None.

I have no idea whatsoever how much you could pull out of a 5x5! If you had a 9' tent with six pots (on the floor) and room to get your light(s) all the way to the top, could you pull a pound each off those under great conditions? Would it be easier with clones? No clue, but I'm just here to enjoy the show.

 

[Jon]

Oh heavens no Jon, I wasn't laughing at that! I just found your phraseology funny in your closing paragraph:

I have no idea whatsoever how much you could pull out of a 5x5! If you had a 9' tent with six pots (on the floor) and room to get your light(s) all the way to the top, could you pull a pound each off those under great conditions? Would it be easier with clones? No clue, but I'm just here to enjoy the show.

And that’s the mature and politically correct response. Lol! Well, okay, gotcha, but here’s my logic that I defy him to beat: you only have 6.5’ of vertical space. Subtract 13” for a pot and at least 6” ( even if you can put the light at the top), so say 20”. That leaves 58” of plant. Now canopy that. With undercarriage cleanup your cola zone is X”. Not sure what that X is, but for SURE it’s not enough to pull six ounces.

You dig?

 

[NickHardy]

Heart a flutter with Kansi, schoolboy excitement suddenly his nervousness has spread into his growing….

 

[NickHardy]

And that’s the mature and politically correct response. Lol! Well, okay, gotcha, but here’s my logic that I defy him to beat: you only have 6.5’ of vertical space. Subtract 13” for a pot and at least 6” ( even if you can put the light at the top), so say 20”. That leaves 58” of plant. Now canopy that. With undercarriage cleanup your cola zone is X”. Not sure what that X is, but for SURE it’s not enough to pull six ounces.

You dig?

Lets do this to music?

Highway to the Cola Zone
Gonna take it right into the Cola Zone
Highway to the Cola Zone
Ride into, the Danger Zone

18” - 24” 12 plants average I reckon 5 paying colas. 60.

Lets go low 18”x50 colas = 900”
900” = 75ft of colas

Depends what a cola pays really. A lot of that is strain dependent and at that plant/cola density how much light you can get to them.

My maths must be out

 

[NickHardy]

Dry Ice Hash Update

So after I’ve cleaned the pre press and straightened the sticker, I’ll line the pre press with grease proof paper, same you normally press roisin into, then planning on pressing for about 12 hours, recrank a little, 12 hours and maybe another alter than.

The hash making guy I met earlier in the year made oil with back from India and said try that. Then place 1g in a pot and see if anyone wants to buy it.

The 120m pictured. Thinking about just blending all 2oz.

Thoughts?