trichomes
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New City Grower 2.0
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BAR your fire escape pics show that you are among "the bravest man I know" muy grande cojones
Genetically modified weed share
interesting, thanks b.real pastepost,
"New rules in Uruguay have created a legal marijuana market — The giant corporation Monsanto plans to launch production of genetically modified marijuana, and companies such as Drug Policy Alliance y Open Society Foundation are going to create own brand, which will be produced under cannabis, information portal La Red 21. These companies are funded by Monsanto, they will be responsible for market development of transgenic seeds of marijuana, particularly in Uruguay."
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Same to you Cronic.Great Munchday to you BAR
Monsanto, Uruguay... What is this about?
It wasn't that type of night out, It was a family night. But thanxx for your concern Lady Dee.
I can't win for losing. I decided to try to clone a branch off of the mutant KUMIKO IV (Honey Haze) with the Willow Water. Why the heck not, she's good for any type of experiment or test. That's getting to be her purpose in life; a cannabis Gennie-pig ...
But no sooner than I cut the branch I drop my phone (which I use to take my pics with) right on top of QUEEN THAI (Wild Thailand) breaking off a few buds.
SHOOT!!!
Well look at the bright side; I finally will be able to say I sampled something.
TrysHard
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When will we what the sample is like?
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After it's dry.
TrysHard
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Of course! 
Dennise
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Puff puff pass brother it has just been one of those days... I was out by myself after dark and my Benz is still at the Quik Stop after another one of my brilliant adventures...
. I'm never leaving the house again....
brother it has just been one of those days... I was out by myself after dark and my Benz is still at the Quik Stop after another one of my brilliant adventures.... I'm never leaving the house again....
GardenFaerie
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OMG, I had the same crapola all day. Now it's going to be 50 tonight, colder tomorrow night and more rain. Wet, damp, cold. So good for plants of the warm liking persuasion.
What happened to your car, Fi?
I am getting worse and worse with wanting to leave the house at all (without Mark). I can drive to China with him there.
What happened to your car, Fi?
I am getting worse and worse with wanting to leave the house at all (without Mark). I can drive to China with him there.
Yeah, I don't really like the ingredient combination in that Vigoro Organic bag of soil, doesn't seem like it'd be what I want personally. I stay away from products that are vague about their compost, like this one just says "compost", composted from what?!! Biosolids are a possibility. OMRI certified products are the ones you want to look for, they have a little "stamp of approval" on there somewhere
Just for public knowledge about how forgiving soil can be (Not that I promote this soil), these are the first plants I ever grew and just tossed em into some generic Miracle Grow, I could tell the buds were not as tasty as my all organic grows that I do now, but the yields and taste were acceptable for a first grow, the long-term stored nutes were real good for it since it lived 6-7 months, however they stll existed at harvest, and without a flushing solution they're impossible to remove, rendering the bud a less tasty flavor at harvest.
I like Home Depot's Patio Plus by Kelloggs, and the N'Rich product, my tomatos seem to love it. I generally make sure it tells me what its actually composted from. In the soil BAR mentioned, Vigoro, there is no dolomite, or oyster shells, none of some really important components. Anyway here are those miracle grow plants,
About the systemic insecticide thing, I disagree, our sponsor (Sierra Natural Science) has a great systemic insecticide made primarily from rosemary, it takes weeks to build up, but I have seen it make a difference in my naturally flowering ladies, they recommend flushing the system for ~2 weeks before harvesting, it is completely organic and food safe. The product is called SNS-209 SNS 209 Systemic Insect Control | Sierra Natural Science
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Thanxx Lester. I'm going to try it out on the next seedling I transplant. Can't be worse than what I'm going through with this round of my grow. I'm displeased with what it has come to & it seems everything went downhill when I started fooling around with those Fox Farm nutes. It's to the point that I'm embarrassed to do my Photo Shoots but I'd rather be laughed at than have other members make the same mistakes I have.
Ladies, tomorrows are always another day. Don't stress over spilled milk. Just smoke a fat one & keep on keeping on.
Ladies, tomorrows are always another day. Don't stress over spilled milk. Just smoke a fat one & keep on keeping on.
GardenFaerie
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I don't doubt that SNS makes products that contain rosemeric acid, but nowhere on the entire Internet have I found one reference to rosemeric acid being a systemic pesticide. Only does SNS make this claim.
Maybe my search efforts are not that great. I did try using Rosemary oil on plants as a deterrent and it did seem to work, but systemic through the roots using a drench? Not sure on that one. I need to do more research. That is a lot of money to spend on something with no research.
I am talking about systemic neurotoxins. Bayer Rose Care, for example. It is illegal and off the market in my state, but it still sold elsewhere. It will kill you. Period.
Maybe my search efforts are not that great. I did try using Rosemary oil on plants as a deterrent and it did seem to work, but systemic through the roots using a drench? Not sure on that one. I need to do more research. That is a lot of money to spend on something with no research.
I am talking about systemic neurotoxins. Bayer Rose Care, for example. It is illegal and off the market in my state, but it still sold elsewhere. It will kill you. Period.
Well, you said "any systemic insecticide"
I don't know anyone who would use "Bayer Rose Care" or synthetic systemic insecticides such as Ortho, on plants that they are going to consume and ingest, after it all it's ment for roses and ornamental annuals which people don't eat.
I know that bugs and insects literally do not like to munch or eat my Rosemary bush, it's completely untouched. The way SNS-209 works is by building up the rosemeric acid into the plant tissues over time, so that when a bug tries to munch the tissue, it is not pleasing to the pallet, and so they look for something else to eat elsewhere.
Here are some links referring another major component of SNS209 Quillaja Saponaria Triterpene saponins of Quillaja saponaria sho... [Pest Manag Sci. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
Plant-based insect repellents: a review of their efficacy, development and testing
So it's not surprising that the terpenes found in Rosemary can be used to our advantage and harnessed. There is also no surprise that certain terpenes embedded into the resin of the plant tissues are formed as a response to ward off harmful insects...
Just my two cents
I don't know anyone who would use "Bayer Rose Care" or synthetic systemic insecticides such as Ortho, on plants that they are going to consume and ingest, after it all it's ment for roses and ornamental annuals which people don't eat.
I know that bugs and insects literally do not like to munch or eat my Rosemary bush, it's completely untouched. The way SNS-209 works is by building up the rosemeric acid into the plant tissues over time, so that when a bug tries to munch the tissue, it is not pleasing to the pallet, and so they look for something else to eat elsewhere.
Here are some links referring another major component of SNS209 Quillaja Saponaria Triterpene saponins of Quillaja saponaria sho... [Pest Manag Sci. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
Plant-based insect repellents: a review of their efficacy, development and testing
So it's not surprising that the terpenes found in Rosemary can be used to our advantage and harnessed. There is also no surprise that certain terpenes embedded into the resin of the plant tissues are formed as a response to ward off harmful insects...
Just my two cents
GardenFaerie
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Thank you for the links, but neither of them say anything about how rosemeric acid is systemic. I'll find out. I made some inquiries and will let you know.
I question why a company who is making organic products would not then go ahead and spend the money to register with OMRI. It's a sliding scale for an application fee and while the review fees are somewhat high, if i was selling something and wanted the myriad users of certified organic methods to buy my product, I would register it. But that's me and I am fundamentalist about this stuff so take what I say with a tiny grain of salt. For me, I won't use it unless they give me evidence how it was made, and how it works in the cell to make it systemic. Barrier? Definitely. No problem trusting that claim.
Stay tuned...
I question why a company who is making organic products would not then go ahead and spend the money to register with OMRI. It's a sliding scale for an application fee and while the review fees are somewhat high, if i was selling something and wanted the myriad users of certified organic methods to buy my product, I would register it. But that's me and I am fundamentalist about this stuff so take what I say with a tiny grain of salt. For me, I won't use it unless they give me evidence how it was made, and how it works in the cell to make it systemic. Barrier? Definitely. No problem trusting that claim.
Stay tuned...
I'm guessing it's simply not economical for them at this time since their market base is not large enough yet, and they are a relatively new company. You can just look at the MSDS to know what's in it, I don't need an outside source to tell me what's organic and what's not.
Systemic only refers to the plant absorbing chemicals through the root system, and transporting them through the system of the plant, this is basic chemistry. If the solubility and pH of the chemicals are not in tune with the solvent of the plant (water), then it won't get absorbed and transported through the vacuoles into the plant tissue. You would also have to find an article proving to yourself that regular nutrient teas, such as a bat guano tea, are systemic. It's logical, we already know they are systemic because we use it as an internal food source for the plant.
I'm guessing you'll be looking for a LONG time for an article that says that one compound is systemic and another is not, because the issue of being systemic is based on polarity of the compounds, as well as pH, just relating to the basic absorption properties of the chemicals.
I think the science behind terpenes is more than enough information to conclude that it works, in combination with my experience with it in my backyard. I can see why you think it's just too much money though, it is a hefty price for such a small amount. I won their products in Nug of the Month, and Year, and I will say that they are outstanding products, especially SNS-203 which has worked like a savior, and magic for me.
No hard feelings I hope, we're just chopping this out like friends do!
Systemic only refers to the plant absorbing chemicals through the root system, and transporting them through the system of the plant, this is basic chemistry. If the solubility and pH of the chemicals are not in tune with the solvent of the plant (water), then it won't get absorbed and transported through the vacuoles into the plant tissue. You would also have to find an article proving to yourself that regular nutrient teas, such as a bat guano tea, are systemic. It's logical, we already know they are systemic because we use it as an internal food source for the plant.
I'm guessing you'll be looking for a LONG time for an article that says that one compound is systemic and another is not, because the issue of being systemic is based on polarity of the compounds, as well as pH, just relating to the basic absorption properties of the chemicals.
I think the science behind terpenes is more than enough information to conclude that it works, in combination with my experience with it in my backyard. I can see why you think it's just too much money though, it is a hefty price for such a small amount. I won their products in Nug of the Month, and Year, and I will say that they are outstanding products, especially SNS-203 which has worked like a savior, and magic for me.
No hard feelings I hope, we're just chopping this out like friends do!
Hey BAR,. sorry to hear things not up to your hopes, I know the feeling with my big Hawaiian snow that wont stop losing leaves.
And BAH on FF nutes, I am not using them anymore. I may try them in hydro eventually cause got so many now, but screw them as far as i am concerned, others had good luck though.
And BAH on FF nutes, I am not using them anymore. I may try them in hydro eventually cause got so many now, but screw them as far as i am concerned, others had good luck though.
Tugafox
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Hi BAR,
Subscribed. Spent a couple weeks catching up on your previous journals and (finally) made it
. Man, many pages!
Had fun reading the story of Leverne - what an adventure! The reps are right are righttttt and learned a few things too - good info.
Just wanted to say hello & that I´m here
Subscribed. Spent a couple weeks catching up on your previous journals and (finally) made it
. Man, many pages! Had fun reading the story of Leverne - what an adventure! The reps are right are righttttt and learned a few things too - good info.
Just wanted to say hello & that I´m here
GardenFaerie
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I'm guessing it's simply not economical for them at this time since their market base is not large enough yet, and they are a relatively new company. You can just look at the MSDS to know what's in it, I don't need an outside source to tell me what's organic and what's not.
Systemic only refers to the plant absorbing chemicals through the root system, and transporting them through the system of the plant, this is basic chemistry. If the solubility and pH of the chemicals are not in tune with the solvent of the plant (water), then it won't get absorbed and transported through the vacuoles into the plant tissue. You would also have to find an article proving to yourself that regular nutrient teas, such as a bat guano tea, are systemic. It's logical, we already know they are systemic because we use it as an internal food source for the plant.
I'm guessing you'll be looking for a LONG time for an article that says that one compound is systemic and another is not, because the issue of being systemic is based on polarity of the compounds, as well as pH, just relating to the basic absorption properties of the chemicals.
I think the science behind terpenes is more than enough information to conclude that it works, in combination with my experience with it in my backyard. I can see why you think it's just too much money though, it is a hefty price for such a small amount. I won their products in Nug of the Month, and Year, and I will say that they are outstanding products, especially SNS-203 which has worked like a savior, and magic for me.
No hard feelings I hope, we're just chopping this out like friends do!
Oh my gosh, hard feelings? Certainly not LOL!
In my life, I find this is a regular thing adults to with each other! They debate, they discuss, throw out ideas, defend their own ideas, etc! This is the stimuli in my life. Ongoing learning and updating. I don't really have hard feelings toward anyone. If I get into a "thing" with someone and it irritates me enough, I'll just avoid the person OR I'll make peace and bend my mind to accept their shite. That said, put up your dukes and prepare to always learn together!I know the science behind systemic. Of course I do. I defended the uptake of whole molecules to some of the most renowned horticultural scientists in the world. That was a feat I fought for Bargyla Rateaver. Her methods were not always accepted, but she indeed proved a whole molecule can be taken up by a root hair. That said, the way to know if something is actually doing what it says it does is to measure the tissue for the substance. If this wasn't done, how do you know it is actually systemic or just repellent? I'll get the info. I put in for it and am awaiting a reply now. I'm just curious. Actually I would spend that money on a product that worked on thrips like that. My roses have not been able to kick thrips for a decade now. Mushy flowers and buds.
I will say when I had the spider mites I did try using Rosemary oil in water and it worked. They did leave, but no infestation was evident; just a few stragglers. Have you tried the drench on seedlings?
The systemic SNS-209 works much better when when the plant is larger and can drink quite a bit of water per week, that way it gets built up more efficiently. A seedling cannot drink as much water as a bush could. The SNS-209 is not ment to make a concentrated drench solution, it is a solution that is just added to the nutrients with every feeding, by the middle of summer, the plant has a heightened immune system by it IMO.
The SNS-203 SNS 203 Soil Drench Spray | Sierra Natural Science works much better as a quick-fix to soil infestations. Since it is a little pricy I tend not to actually full on drench roots, so I use the spray method, and get in there and spray the hell out of the first few inches of soil, this has worked like magic for me in battling this constant fungus gnat problem that I'm currently dealing with on my tomatos and herbs. There are other options for controlling, but I am just very happy with these products that were awarded to me
The SNS-203 SNS 203 Soil Drench Spray | Sierra Natural Science works much better as a quick-fix to soil infestations. Since it is a little pricy I tend not to actually full on drench roots, so I use the spray method, and get in there and spray the hell out of the first few inches of soil, this has worked like magic for me in battling this constant fungus gnat problem that I'm currently dealing with on my tomatos and herbs. There are other options for controlling, but I am just very happy with these products that were awarded to me
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Thanxx Fox. Glad you could join us. I appreciate you taking the time to read all 3 journals. It's really just one long adventure of my learning curve from literally being thrown into a grow by LAVERNE & schooled by all these good people here on 420 mag. I still find it hard to believe that slightly under a year ago I had never even seen a cannabis plant growing in real life.Hi BAR,
Subscribed. Spent a couple weeks catching up on your previous journals and (finally) made it
Had fun reading the story of Leverne - what an adventure! The reps are right are righttttt and learned a few things too - good info.
Just wanted to say hello & that I´m here
I hope you enjoy & embrace the 420 experience as I have & welcome aboard.
Brooklyn, Lester... Thanxx for having this knowledge packed conversation here. Sorry to interrupt, please continue.
Dennise
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I concur...