Neikodog's High Brix Sativas

[Doc Bud]

Thanks Doc I was just curious what numbers were to see if it was in the same range that most soil-less growers strive for ?
Self adjusting PH is a great thing.

At the very least, Value wise, it confirms that the numbers used in the Folklure PH numbers to adjust to are basically correct

When it comes to hydro, or sterile soil industrial agriculture, pH is very important! That's not folklore.....folklore is the idea of testing runoff.

I've yet to see someone with 6 acres of corn in the ground test runoff.......but they test pH all the time.

testing runoff is the doofus thing....not testing soil pH.

 

[Nismo12]

I think Doc has been smoking some Skywalker today lol. Love the wordy responses as it means I am about to learn something

 

[Gazoo]

When it comes to hydro, or sterile soil industrial agriculture, pH is very important! That's not folklore.....folklore is the idea of testing runoff.

I've yet to see someone with 6 acres of corn in the ground test runoff.......but they test pH all the time.

testing runoff is the doofus thing....not testing soil pH.

I must respectfully disagree, testing Run-off PH
has it advantages

 

[Doc Bud]

I must respectfully disagree, testing Run-off PH
has it advantages

What do you gain from testing runoff in soil? This is a serious question, not to be taken as the start of an argument! I sincerely want to know!

 

[Morglie]

Hello gang. I got a little update today. We are in the home stretch for the clementine. She got her last drench (growth energy) and brix this morning. I will start chopping probably Friday and Saturday.
Clementine day 58

Tikal Day 100

Congo Day 21

Malawi Day 21

Panama Haze Day 21

Thanks for stopping by! Have a great night gang!

That tikal looks incredible. It's a huge club of Fox tails. I've been thinking about picking up the new fem release of tikal. I've heard great things about it. They also released guawi though, crossing that new tikal with Malawi. I was wondering if you've tried guawi as well and had any thoughts on them.



Morglie's 1st Journal With Ace Sativas In Doc Bud's High Brix Kit

 

[Gazoo]

What do you gain from testing runoff in soil? This is a serious question, not to be taken as the start of an argument! I sincerely want to know!

Don't think we are arguing, Just adding my personal idea about it If no one ever questions things
how will we move forward, I appreciate the opportunity to learn from your experience but I will always
try it myself because maybe I will see something outside of the box others have missed ?

Anyway I say it has merit because I like to know what is going on in the soil as things change overtime
Early Veg, Late Veg, Early Flower, Heavy flower and I know what is the Best run-off PH for the Max Uptake.

I Understand that RUN-OFF is not the most accurate way to test PH but if its all you have it can give you
clues if nothing else.

I water in a specific way and a specific amount very slowly and I can tell you the amount of Run-off I will get
to within 1/2 cup so it is a very consistent approach. Again this is not the most accurate method but I do
know using this method I can see the changes coming and able to adapt in the process.

Last Yes its way to much work and your kit will make life so much easier but as things are now I see it
as a additional data that I can use.

 

[Doc Bud]

Don't think we are arguing, Just adding my personal idea about it If no one ever questions things
how will we move forward, I appreciate the opportunity to learn from your experience but I will always
try it myself because maybe I will see something outside of the box others have missed ?

Anyway I say it has merit because I like to know what is going on in the soil as things change overtime
Early Veg, Late Veg, Early Flower, Heavy flower and I know what is the Best run-off PH for the Max Uptake.

I Understand that RUN-OFF is not the most accurate way to test PH but if its all you have it can give you
clues if nothing else.

I water in a specific way and a specific amount very slowly and I can tell you the amount of Run-off I will get
to within 1/2 cup so it is a very consistent approach. Again this is not the most accurate method but I do
know using this method I can see the changes coming and able to adapt in the process.

Last Yes its way to much work and your kit will make life so much easier but as things are now I see it
as a additional data that I can use.

What is the runoff telling you and what changes do you make?

 

[Gazoo]

What is the runoff telling you and what changes do you make?

My main concern is to avoid extremes in pH and by watching as it raises and lowers I can adjust
when I see it approaching a out of limit number, Kelp seems to be a good buffer

Another adjustment can be the use of Nitrogen (ammonium - NH4+) and anion (nitrate - NO3) Ratios

 

[Doc Bud]

My main concern is to avoid extremes in pH and by watching as it raises and lowers I can adjust
when I see it approaching a out of limit number, Kelp seems to be a good buffer

Another adjustment can be the use of Nitrogen (ammonium - NH4+) and anion (nitrate - NO3) Ratios

You're not going to change the pH of soil with pH up or down. Also, if you try to use nitrogen to do it, you lose out on the ability to signal the plant via cationic/anionic balance in the soil.

Runoff doesn't have much to do with soil pH....it is runoff pH.

 

[Gazoo]

You're not going to change the pH of soil with pH up or down. Also, if you try to use nitrogen to do it, you lose out on the ability to signal the plant via cationic/anionic balance in the soil.

Runoff doesn't have much to do with soil pH....it is runoff pH.

Never said anything about PH Up and Down ? And weather Run-off PH is soil PH or run-off PH it
still gives clues

 

[Neiko]

That tikal looks incredible. It's a huge club of Fox tails. I've been thinking about picking up the new fem release of tikal. I've heard great things about it. They also released guawi though, crossing that new tikal with Malawi. I was wondering if you've tried guawi as well and had any thoughts on them.



Morglie's 1st Journal With Ace Sativas In Doc Bud's High Brix Kit

I would like to try another tikal someday. I have grown a few from freebie seeds I got a couple years ago and I have yet to see a peach/mango or a strawberry tikal. I keep getting the less dominate Guatemalan/Haze pheno. It stretches 3 to 4 times it's veg size and gives me those big bats for colas, this pheno has the densest of the Sativa buds I've had with tikal. It is also a very uplifting spiritual type buzz. I think Graytail had a strawberry pheno that matches the description of tikal more than my cut does and he felt it was a little too heavy of a buzz.....Gray, chime in here please. I can only keep so many strains and I am not ready to give this cut up yet. Not until I can pass it on to someone that is willing to hold on to it for a while, not many people like waiting the 16 weeks for her.

Guawi is interesting.....I'm a little on the fence about mixing it with Malawi. Malawi is special in its own right and I'm not sure how the 2 would mix buzz wise. I'm not sure what you are gaining by adding Malawi. This tikal cut has plenty of potency and tested within a couple percent of the Malawi I had tested 21 vs. 22.4. Maybe Malawi mixed with the more traditional tikal would be good. It might take the heaviness out of the tikal....don't know.

 

[Morglie]

I would like to try another tikal someday. I have grown a few from freebie seeds I got a couple years ago and I have yet to see a peach/mango or a strawberry tikal. I keep getting the less dominate Guatemalan/Haze pheno. It stretches 3 to 4 times it's veg size and gives me those big bats for colas, this pheno has the densest of the Sativa buds I've had with tikal. It is also a very uplifting spiritual type buzz. I think Graytail had a strawberry pheno that matches the description of tikal more than my cut does and he felt it was a little too heavy of a buzz.....Gray, chime in here please. I can only keep so many strains and I am not ready to give this cut up yet. Not until I can pass it on to someone that is willing to hold on to it for a while, not many people like waiting the 16 weeks for her.

Guawi is interesting.....I'm a little on the fence about mixing it with Malawi. Malawi is special in its own right and I'm not sure how the 2 would mix buzz wise. I'm not sure what you are gaining by adding Malawi. This tikal cut has plenty of potency and tested within a couple percent of the Malawi I had tested 21 vs. 22.4. Maybe Malawi mixed with the more traditional tikal would be good. It might take the heaviness out of the tikal....don't know.

Malawi is supposed to make it heavier and more powerful than it is alone. It doesn't sound like it really needs that by your description though. The latest release is supposed to be focused on the strawberry and mango phenos. Better terps. Which carry over to the guawi.

I'm really enjoying Zamedelica as an everyday, afternoon smoke, but that's because I haven't been able to take one to finish yet. Once I do, it will be to powerful for that, so I'm looking for a replacement. Tikal sound like it will fit the bill nicely.

Thank you Nieko. And anything you want to add Graytail is appreciated. The more I know about a strain the better.



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[Doc Bud]

Never said anything about PH Up and Down ? And weather Run-off PH is soil PH or run-off PH it
still gives clues

OK....I misunderstood. What are the clues?

 

[Graytail]

I'd call this batch of Tikal a B+. It's a nice representative of Guatemalan herb I think, and it was fairly easy to grow, except for that tendency to keep blooming. If you could do a diminishing light schedule at the end it would help a lot, I think.

To me, it's a rather classic lowland Mexican high. It tends to fade to a lazy inactive mood, and if I hit it again it doesn't help much - just lazy and higher. There are similar strains that I prefer. Ace's Panama has that sensuality to it that makes it stand out and it's just as potent. White Panther has a similar high and it's easier and faster with denser buds. DrGrinspoon has the Thai to give it more lift ...

Crossing with Malawi might be interesting but you lose authenticity when you add African genetics. Dunno - wasn't a favorite in the end.

 

[Gazoo]

OK....I misunderstood. What are the clues?

OK But I think I am repeating Myself ?

By testing my Run-Off each time I water I can
look at my past readings and see if my PH readings
are Rising, Lowering or staying the same. Now using that
information I can compare it to the what stage of life this
plant is in, If these readings are not what I am expecting
I have an EARLY WARNING system that something is going
on and hopefully be able to correct it before it becomes a
larger issue

EDIT
All information, Good or Bad, can be interpreted to some degree

I have a very calculating type personality, so if there is some
DATA available to me you can bet I will try and make sense of it.
But if not, I still want it available, who knows one day it may
become helpful.

 

[Morglie]

I'd call this batch of Tikal a B+. It's a nice representative of Guatemalan herb I think, and it was fairly easy to grow, except for that tendency to keep blooming. If you could do a diminishing light schedule at the end it would help a lot, I think.

To me, it's a rather classic lowland Mexican high. It tends to fade to a lazy inactive mood, and if I hit it again it doesn't help much - just lazy and higher. There are similar strains that I prefer. Ace's Panama has that sensuality to it that makes it stand out and it's just as potent. White Panther has a similar high and it's easier and faster with denser buds. DrGrinspoon has the Thai to give it more lift ...

Crossing with Malawi might be interesting but you lose authenticity when you add African genetics. Dunno - wasn't a favorite in the end.

Thank you for your insight Graytail. I run 11/13 in flower so the never ending flowering shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't sound like it fits the bill for what I'm looking for. I'm way to big of a procrastinator to smoke lazy weed in the daytime. I want something that makes me feel great and energized, and lets me be clear headed enough to stay on task.

I enjoy Panama and still have 4 reg beans, plus about 20 F1s I made. I haven't had a good representation of Panama either though. I pollinated the only one I harvested so far and it was significantly more seeded than I wanted, so the high isn't where it should be. It's still pretty damned good, even so. I'm about to harvest a clone of it that didn't get seeded however, so that should give me a better idea of the high. I want something that is a productive, daytime smoke.

I'm really enjoying the Zamedelica, but once I figure this strain out, and take one to 14+ weeks, it's going to be a bit to much for staying productive. That's OK though. I picked it for that very reason. There is a time and a place for over the top sativas.

Thanks for the info guys!

Peace




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[Neiko]

I gave the Congo, Malawi and Panama Haze a recharge with EWC this morning. CAT #1 was given today as well. Malawi is slowly building buds same for Panama Haze, Congo is definitely moving faster than those 2. I'll get pics up in a couple days. The Clementines will start to fall tomorrow. Have a good weekend gang.

 

[Nismo12]

Was trolling around on Ace's website last night and what do ya think about the Malawi x Panama?

 

[Neiko]

I saw those too, they have a malawi x panama and a panama x malawi. Since I run a pure malawi I would probably opt for the panama x malawi 1st. Either one would be worth a run. Malawi is pretty intense and panama is a kinder buzz, more creative. I guess it's just a preference thing.....if you want power go with the malawi x panama, a more dreamy buzz go panama x malawi....just my guess though.

 

[Duggan]

Was trolling around on Ace's website last night and what do ya think about the Malawi x Panama?

Harvest that next year....