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While we are bumping along the bottom ... BUD ROT on S Girl!!! only one but and the rest was saved. Then I had to take the Blue Moon for the sake of good bud. That puts me working on 2 hours sleep :cheesygrinsmiley: and hurting and tick bit. The price.

now we are going back up ---------------- I found good mature seeds on the blus moon!!! they are from the LEMON LOCAL!!! The lemon local is a hopeless hermie strain that grows nanners only at the stem and only 2 at each node. I did not catch them all and BAM! This is cool news though as this will be an interesting experiment.


strap in

Up and down we go
I'm just watching the show
This is getting pretty exciting....your living a life time in one grow!
:ganjamon:
 
one thing about the bottom! there is only one way to go:)
wow kinda sucks a lot that you had to harvest so early.
I hope those seeds and the new place work out for you and your girls, now and in the future

I have two blue moons much bigger than the one that was just harvested :cheesygrinsmiley: one just went in!

I have no doubt those seeds will be an awesome hybrid ... I can't wait!!

Thanks Fish Cake
 
Up and down we go
I'm just watching the show
This is getting pretty exciting....your living a life time in one grow!
:ganjamon:

I thought I replied to this one already ... :hmmm: and I wrote a lot too! Dang! now I can't remember :smokin2:

Thanks for looking OMM
 
Hey Buckshot, speaking of seeds, do you know what to call the seeds that grow on the bottom side of the lower bud sites of a female plant that has not been pollenated? This is something I have noticed growing different strains in my first grow - the plants usually have one or two seeds at the very least and I was wondering if this was common.

I pollenated a couple of plants and have hundreds of really healthy beans now - I really wish sharing them was legal.
 
Are you folks still strapped in? cause we are going DOWN :cheesygrinsmiley: Dang!

So I almost killed my next gen by lack of care ... I am trying!! I brought them back and next step clones. So for the hell of it I tested the
ph of my "new" water ... 8 :yikes: holy smokes I can't start clones with ph 8 water, DAMN!! I suppose there are a lot of things I could use to bring it down ... what are your favorites?

The big girls are suffering too.

Soon we will all be at peace again :cheesygrinsmiley:
General Hydroponics pH DOWN. It's buffered to KEEP the pH down once you lower it. It's corrosive, too, so keep the full strength stuff off your skin and metals.

And now and excerpt from Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial
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Ph Problems

One of the first signs of having a slight ph problem is, your plant having part of the leaves kind of twisty, spotty with brown, yellowish, red spots within each other.
Sometimes they don’t have to have all the colors, they could just be spots that have yellowish brown, or just reddish brown and can happen anywhere on the plant. Mainly starts on big fan leaves then goes to little leaves.
When this happens you need to check your soil ph, water ph before and after adding your nutrients. One of the biggest causes is adding nutrients like earth juice; they take the ph down quite a bit. Also can happen when you add bone and blood meal to your soil, that will throw the ph off as well, so it’s smart to test the mix before putting your plants into the mix. After the spots happen you will soon see nutrients being locked out, when that happens DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM UNTILL YOU GET YOUR PH FIXED!! Reason why is, because the plant isn’t absorbing that nutrient, by adding the nutrient it is deficient in, you are causing it to have a build up in the soil therefore can cause that nutrient to become toxic to the plant, because of buildup, to much buildup of certain nutrients will lock out other nutrients. In order to fix the problem you will need to first fix the ph and then if the soil is deficient in nutrients you can add it to fix the problem. A digital PH tester is the best tester to use as they are the most accurate. If you can’t afford a digital ph meter, then your best bet is to get ph testing papers. DO NOT get soil testers, those are the cheapest junk I ever seen and do not give good readings, so you cant rely on one of those. There are a lot of good ph testers out there, one of them is hanna. That is the one I use and is the best money ever spent! Vast majority of problems with soil ph comes from the soil if it has additives like peat moss, which is HILGY acidic..... and or the water you are using, as well as nutrient deficiencies from using the wrong ph for watering. You want to be careful when adjusting your ph, doing this over a week is the best idea, to fast will cause shock to the plant. If you can’t get a hold of a ph tester or ph test papers. If you have some dolomite lime, its always better to use it in soil rather than every time you water, imo and from others (Uncle Ben) That it really doesn’t stabilize as many people think it does, Soil pH and micronutrient availability are interrelated. Don’t Use to much lime to decrease the soil pH to a point where micronutrients can't be unavailable to plants. The micronutrients affected by pH include iron, manganese, zinc and, not as often copper. The problems when you apply to much lime can make it harder to correct your ph than what you would have when you didn’t add as much lime. You can always add more lime, but if you add to much you can’t remove it if you put to much lime in the soil. With great soil moisture, lime will work immediately and pH will start to change over a few months. However, it can take up to a year for the real benefit of lime to work. As the soil pH rises, the time it takes for lime to react decreases due to lower levels of soil acids. If you need to change your ph when its to high, if you choose to use lime it will not help as much as you think in lowering your ph, it would need alot of lime to lower your ph to a point where it would cause a toxcicity to the plants so look else where to use something to lower your ph rather than using lime.

So here at the bottom is a list of some buffers that are good to go with when raising and lowering ph!

Here are some ph buffers when your ph is too high: Use these SOIL PH Adjustments to lower your ph: sawdust, composted leaves, wood chips, cottonseed meal, leaf mold and peat moss. Sawdust, composted leaves, woodchips and, lemon juice, PH DOWN.

Hydro PH Adjustments: PH Down (vinegar and lemon juices are good for soil, but not recommended for hydro use) Phosphoric acid during flowering and Nitric acid for vegtative growth.Thanks goes out to syko2 for that one! (Only quality PH buffers should be used to adjust ph and be sure the buffer and nutrient work's well together.)

Here are some that will raise the ph: use these SOIL Adjustments when your ph is to low: PH UP, dolomite lime, hardwood ash, bone meal, crushed marble, or crushed oyster shells, potassium hydroxide <--- Thank you Uncle Ben!

Hydro Adjustments: PH UP,lime,potassium hydroxide and potassium sillicate .(Only quality PH buffers should be used to adjust ph and be sure the buffer and nutrient work's well together.)


Here are a few pictures of ph spotting before nutrient lockout occurs. The last pic is shown is high ph with the twisty leaves. Note the edges are brown, this is a potassium deficiency that is caused by ph lockout.(Sometimes this gets confused with a nitrogen toxicity, so always keep your ph in check and test it often!)
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Hey Buckshot, speaking of seeds, do you know what to call the seeds that grow on the bottom side of the lower bud sites of a female plant that has not been pollenated? This is something I have noticed growing different strains in my first grow - the plants usually have one or two seeds at the very least and I was wondering if this was common.

I pollenated a couple of plants and have hundreds of really healthy beans now - I really wish sharing them was legal.

That is what I call a "stealth hermie" I missed the first one because I did not look close and often enough (and I look every day!) I never did see it on that plant until I moved it, my hands were sticky from trimming and when I pulled back my hand I saw a male flower!!! without pollen there is no seed. The male flowers on the lemon locals come out early do their business and fall off and dry up, since ther are only about 6 per plant if I was not checking I would never even see the male flowers. Other hermies will have the male flowers deep in the buds... you have to have pollen.


I wish it was legal too. I don't know why either. There are a lot of baby boomers, they/we should band together and get things done.

General Hydroponics pH DOWN. It's buffered to KEEP the pH down once you lower it. It's corrosive, too, so keep the full strength stuff off your skin and metals.

And now and excerpt from Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

Hey Jandre! sorry I have not been around to see what is up with you. I have been delinquent here too. Thank You for posting that part on PH

even though I have read that entire post more than once it helped me focus ...:thankyou:

All the current ladies have been chopped due to bud rot. There was mild damage on all of them. If I am going to grow outside next year I am going to need to know how to deal with it. I have to get pics of the new ladies. they are huge but have some light and lack of nutes damage. I have corrected both and these ladies should do well, I hope.

thanks for stopping in
 
Buckshot, I meant real seeds - not male flowers (although I found one on a meaty female last week). This is a bona fide seed growing on the bottom side of a bud - and I have seen this at least 14 times in this grow, sometimes several on the same plant. I pick them when the covering turns brown, meaning it is mature. I will het some pictures in the morning to demonstrate.
 
Buckshot, I meant real seeds - not male flowers (although I found one on a meaty female last week). This is a bona fide seed growing on the bottom side of a bud - and I have seen this at least 14 times in this grow, sometimes several on the same plant. I pick them when the covering turns brown, meaning it is mature. I will het some pictures in the morning to demonstrate.

What I am saying is without a male flower and pollen you can't have a seed ... and I tried to show how you may never see the male flower.
 
It's The Immaculate Conception All Over Again Buck!!! Oh Yeah, And Hello!!! Yep Aardvark, Pollination Can Only Happen When There Is Some Kind Of Cannabis Male Flower Or Pollen Present. Either Through Contamination, On You Or Some Ones Else Clothing, The Air, A Bug, Any Of A Million Different Things Could Of Happened, Even A Hidden Hermie Flower!!! Or An Act Of GOD, I Think I'll Go With Contamination!!!:high-five:

Buck, Your Plants Will Get Better In NO TIME, I Think!!!:) And If They Do Not, Do Not Go Crazy, Just Start Another Batch:loopy:!!! Well, Just Stopping In For A Quick Hello Buck My Friend, Take Care All!!! SINCERELY JAMESTHEGREEN.:thumb:
 
Buck, Your Plants Will Get Better In NO TIME, I Think!!!:) And If They Do Not, Do Not Go Crazy, Just Start Another Batch:loopy:!!! Well, Just Stopping In For A Quick Hello Buck My Friend, Take Care All!!! SINCERELY JAMESTHEGREEN.:thumb:

Hey James

More are finally started!! I have my clones going and soon I am going to grow out some of the hybrids and that I crossed. I can't wait!! I hope to soon be back with pictures but it has been mostly work and little play lately :cheesygrinsmiley: I am also doing a decent sized outdoor garden (veggies and flowers) and it has not been turned for years so I am root busting too!! I love the work even though it can put me out of commission. I may put out a girl or two but before I do I have to look at all the rules again. I do not want to compromise my ability to have better meds cheaper. Soon more pics. I have some big girls (for me) that have grown big despite the fact they were deprived. They have some leaf damage but should be photo stars :cheesygrinsmiley: We'll see

Thanks again
 
What I am saying is without a male flower and pollen you can't have a seed ... and I tried to show how you may never see the male flower.

Yes, I am aware of the process, and have experienced it this season on a grand scale - but I am talking about a lone, isolated plant grown in an enclosed room with no one but myself tending it - and never seeing another plant, much less a male w/pollen.

This is what I have seen happen, the mini-flower that shows its hairs first on a plant before the buds somehow produces a lone seed under the bud - not on top where the flowers would be pollenated and push seeds out wholesale, but just 1, 2 or 3 will develop while they are completely closed, right under the noses of the buds.

I have seen only only one hermie pistil developing in the entire tent - I was searching for caterpillars & damage - and I removed it a long time before it would have become viable.

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I have read (repeat read) that a very mature female will make seed. now if I remember right it was long after the trichs turned amber.
so anyway thats about all I got.
Here OMM take your brain cell back before I lose it:)
 
I have read (repeat read) that a very mature female will make seed. now if I remember right it was long after the trichs turned amber.
so anyway thats about all I got.
Here OMM take your brain cell back before I lose it:)

Yea, that's probably how I remember this, but it was so long ago that I had forgotten it until seeing it for myself in my first grow. It was so long ago I can't even be sure that I did read about it; hell, the way the mind works and being so susceptible to manipulation, I am just going to say that I saw it for myself for the first time this season and it was consistent in some ways.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, either - so I am really sorry, Buckshot - I was just hoping you might know how to refer to this "virgin birth" because you seem to be such a wealth of valuable information and have a long-running journal with a lot of great contributors that I hoped someone else woud be able to add their experience to the mix and we could all learn something new.

Essentially, these occur where the female pistillate forms and the two hairs pop out; however, sometimes they turn brown and get hard, having a seed inside. It has consistently happened right under the main cola, and sometimes repeats down the trunk by one or more nodes.I have not tried to germinate any yet and that is the next step. I am unsure whether these will be viable because the ones I pulled today were tan mono-colored, rather than the healthy tiger striped pattern I am used to seeing. Wouldn't it be neat if I had a phenotype that produced a few feminized, auto-flowering seeds with each plant?

Anyway, I am going to carry this over to my journal, so if anyone knows what this condition is called, please enlighten us.

Buckshot, thanks for being the gracious host! I am looking out for that potential bud rot problem, thanks to you. I was looking for brown-colored dead buds - not the white fuzzy kind and am treating it with H202.:Namaste:
 
I have read (repeat read) that a very mature female will make seed. now if I remember right it was long after the trichs turned amber.
so anyway thats about all I got.
Here OMM take your brain cell back before I lose it:)

Thanks I need it right now! :high-five:
 
Yes, I am aware of the process, and have experienced it this season on a grand scale - but I am talking about a lone, isolated plant grown in an enclosed room with no one but myself tending it - and never seeing another plant, much less a male w/pollen.

This is what I have seen happen, the mini-flower that shows its hairs first on a plant before the buds somehow produces a lone seed under the bud - not on top where the flowers would be pollenated and push seeds out wholesale, but just 1, 2 or 3 will develop while they are completely closed, right under the noses of the buds.

I have seen only only one hermie pistil developing in the entire tent - I was searching for caterpillars & damage - and I removed it a long time before it would have become viable.

Got to have pollen ... unless you believe in immaculate conception. The reason those particular calyx developed seed is they are the first to form and usually so is the male flower. As others have said there are many ways to pollinate but the way your plants are seeded it points to an early male flower... just guess'in (you know that right?)

I have read (repeat read) that a very mature female will make seed. now if I remember right it was long after the trichs turned amber.
so anyway thats about all I got.
Here OMM take your brain cell back before I lose it:)


I will ask Our Lady of Cannabis about immaculate conception... I hope she does not blast me with a lightning bolt :yikes:

Buckshot, thanks for being the gracious host! I am looking out for that potential bud rot problem, thanks to you. I was looking for brown-colored dead buds - not the white fuzzy kind and am treating it with H202.:Namaste:


Cool! that is nasty stuff

Thanks I need it right now! :high-five:



:cheesygrinsmiley:


hope its just like it was when you gave it to me:)

just has less life left ... :cheesygrinsmiley:

I have 4 brain cells 3 are in a raid 5 configuration and I keep one as a hot spare so Fish cake you can use the spare when you need, just put it back cause I can't crash!!
 
Here you go folks

For me these ladies are BIG :rofl: I know you folks who grow giants they are but tiny shrubberies :cheesygrinsmiley: but to me they are much larger than what I usually have.

For some reason I am having flash issues and will have to force the flash next time ... sorry

The room filled again after an early harvest.

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These two in the back are a mystery... they are lemon locals but they may be a cross.

So far they have not shown hermie


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Poor blue moon that suffered lack of nutes (look close at the leaves)


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An S4 Girl

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I took many clones and hope to keep things going.

Thanks for stopping by and looking :peace:
 
as OMM has said in the past...PHOOEY ON YOU
I was bent that your grow was goin south.... and you post pictures like this!!!
thats not fair pullin on my heart strings like that!
you have made a remarkable come back. I sure hope it stays that way!:cheertwo:
come wensday I think my pictures are as nice as yours!
 
BUCKSHOT MY MAN! Reading your post about hermies jogged my memory. I had an Indica I put out to reveg and it hermied on me next to a really nice Sativa plant. The birth of MMMF! I'll share some of the photo records with you. First the reveg June, 2011:
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Then the plant in full bloom: 9/2011
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The Hermied cola 9/2011:
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And the Father Mother side by side 10/2011:
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I LIKE DOCUMENTING THINGS! Good referrence for later.:tokin::nomo:
 
as OMM has said in the past...PHOOEY ON YOU
I was bent that your grow was goin south.... and you post pictures like this!!!
thats not fair pullin on my heart strings like that!

I was not pulling them! Scrog Girl had a long way to go and all the rest had poor yield, with the exception of the blue moon that was nice and had little rot. I always try to be ready for a failed crop because that will mean a drop or lack of meds and on top of that there is no money to get off the shelf meds WAY to expensive :yikes: Those plants I am hoping rotted because that were beat on and rained on for a couple weeks straight with high humidity then put in a less than stellar temp spot while I built this room. The loss of those plants will be felt in the months ahead. I was lucky that I had a good veg team on deck who were forced to go long. By the way those big beauties were totally wilted to the point I thought they were dead from lack of care only a week ago!! I am back on track and I hope to continue!

Sorry you got on the roller coaster... it's not good for the heart strings!!


you have made a remarkable come back. I sure hope it stays that way!:cheertwo:
come wensday I think my pictures are as nice as yours!

It was all the ladies, I suck
 
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