Munki's Ebb n Flow 3 x 3 SCROG 400W HPS Grow

BWC BayArea said:
How much u hopin to pull out of this grow Munki?
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It's my first grow so I truly have no idea. I don't know what the overall canopy size will be, but if will be at least 4 square feet. Minimum acceptable for me would be 4 ounces but looking for over 6.

Mr Smith said:
Could you use the recirculation pump and drain the resevoir first before you move the resevoir? Just connect some extra tubing and run it in a bucket or directly to a toilet or sink.
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Yeah it is possible but awkward to do that not to mention time consuming as the pump is pretty low volume. Connecting an external, inline pump that does not need to be submerged to the sight line tube could be used to drain it efficiently. What I'm thinking is maybe scavanging a few 2 liter bottle crates used to transport those to the stores. I think they are the right height and if put upside down, I could slide the reservoir on them flat over the lip of the tent. Then it would be easy to dolly it outside for emptying. I've got some time to decide still. Almost morning for the ladies.
 
I would be very happy to get 1/4 to 1/2 a pound from 1 plant. See if you can get lights out temps to go even lower, that'll give you mega potency.
 
These were taken just before the lamp came on so I could show the colors better.

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This last one the HPS started to come on so the color is off.

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BWC BayArea said:
Just wondering, how many plants u start with? What sized yield u expecting? How much of the screen do u plan to use?
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There are two clones in the one bucket each in their own grow bag filled with hydroton. My expectation is that the limiting factor will be the root mass. I'm trying to err on the side of caution so I changed the photoperiod earlier than I initially planned. Minimum acceptable yield I set at 4 ounces so I shouldn't be upset unless I suffer from some tragedy during flower. I'll use as much screen as gets filled. I've already gone to flower mode, so I will be pulling down shoots for the next 2 - 3 weeks then watch them fatten up (hopefully).

Mr Smith said:
buy a bigger pump dedicated for draining resevoirs. I use a mag3 which is a 300gph pump. Mags are pretty standard in the aquarium industry. Idrain and refill 2 forty gallon panda resevoirs in under a hour and a 55 gallon in under 25 minutes. I have a bad back so I don't carry heavy weight.
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I hear ya. I will buy a pump if I cannot find those 2 liter bottle crates to use as a stand. I'm just getting over all the strained muscles I got putting that rez into place! Ouch!

CharlieMopps said:
I would be very happy to get 1/4 to 1/2 a pound from 1 plant. See if you can get lights out temps to go even lower, that'll give you mega potency.
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Remember that I actually have two plants and they aren't supposed to be the same strain which if true could cause issues at harvest time. They do have similar leaves and growth characteristics so I'm hoping that development time also goes similarly.

Regarding low night temps, I'm not convinced of that yet. I've done other reading that had said minimizing the difference (delta) between the min and max temps causes less stress. I'll have to find my source on that again. I just don't want to have overall high temps so the lamp runs from 8PM to 8AM with all intake, exhaust, and circulation fans operating 24/0.
 
Looking pretty thick under the screen, I think you might not have any problem filling that screen up. We will see, Great job again...
 
Andy Botwin said:
I agree with sonzor. The undergrowth needs to be pruned. I fear there are bud sites being choked out under there...

You have a set-up that's working for ya, now let's get the method dialed in.

+reps
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I'll thin out some leaves when they wake up tonight before their first feeding. I was planning on slowly clearing out the foliage underneath over the next few weeks. What do you think? The photos make it look denser that it does to the naked eye and my lamp is pretty close to the point I may have bleached a leaf or two. I'll see if I can trim those candidates and get a pic of them.

BTW the lighting in the last pics only have the flash and a couple of CFL's providing all the light.
 
dankmansmokin said:
Hey munki, i thought id stop by and say hi. Thanks for all the help. Anyways im kinda confused about wat the screen is for. And how did you figure out the pumps and stuff. Is there like a bluebrint to your set up or did you just do trials and errors? Well it looks great keep it up! Tell ur friends drop by my journal and say hi
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No problem and thanks for stopping by. Major reason for the screen is minimize the issue with indoor lighting. The intensity of the the light diminishes not just be the distance away but that distance times itself (inverse square law). In order to get optimal light intensities, the plants need to be brought to mere inches away from the lamp. Getting as much of the plant's budsites to the ideal distance becomes the goal. The screen helps to hold a majority of the plant in that zone. Having the branches especially the main stem go horizontal helps stimulate branching. When flowered all the budding happens in an even plane (more or less) so they get fed similar amounts of light. Should optimize the weight to wait ratio.

Look up SCroG here and on the internet at large. There is a lot out there and you can see if it is a technique that is right for you.

As for how I set mine up, I found the basic ebb n flow bucket on the internet as I started out using a phototron and it would fit inside. I got out of that when I got the HPS lamp. The other stuff I got along the way. You can do this with only a little cash but for me, I didn't want some equipment failure getting me cause I went cheap. Just kept looking for deals at stores and craigslist. YMMV on that route. How I'm set up is a work in progress my friend. It is not entirely practical right now and I won't continue to use this setup for my tent. It really belongs with the phototron.
 
Thanks guys. Well did some pruning underneath. Got pics of that as well as ones of these reservoir supports that should correct the issue I have with the lip of the tent door.

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Now the clearing....

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Finally some pics to see if I have a male or am I just seeing a characteristic of this strain? Feature is not seen on the other plant at all.

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What do you all think?

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None of those pics look male to me my friend, wait for what looks like a pod or an artachoke. That's male, what you're seeing is the stem leaves IMO.
 
Right on. That is good to hear. Thought it would be strange to see a male cutting as it would be hard to sell clones for very long if you did! Poked my head in just before lights out at them and all is well.

Don't think I noted it yet but I raised the lamp last night up one double chain link with is around 1 1/2 inches. It should give a bit better coverage to the widening canopy. Also, I upped my ebb cycles to 6x/day starting at 9PM, 11, 1AM, 3, 5, and 7. This is based off of a nutrient calculator I found elsewhere. I monitor my TDS and pH daily along with reservoir water add-backs and note them in a separate log.
 
Looking very, very nice. Not sure if that cutting is a male, Looks like new growth from the pic. But you can see the real thing up close. Make sure she is a he before you do anything to the plant.
 
sonzor said:
Make sure she is a he before you do anything to the plant.
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Oh, I won't do anything permanent for at least a week. Figured I'll know for sure by then. Doubt it is male as they were purchased cuttings. I know that isn't a guarantee, but it would be hard to sell clones for very long if you did sell of some male cuttings unless the buyer wanted them for breeding.

+reps back to all.
 
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