Sonzor
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
A little sparse, but the ones you have look absolutely amazing and healthy, Great job + rep
A little sparse, but the ones you have look absolutely amazing and healthy, Great job + rep
MK-Ultra Hempy - C02 - 1000 Watts
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
I'm using tap water, and I'm not trying to get any microbial growth. Initially I thought it would be a good idea, but now I'm convinced otherwise.
I'm using tap water, and I'm not trying to get any microbial growth. Initially I thought it would be a good idea, but now I'm convinced otherwise.
hydronewbie
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Re: Chloramine - Chloramine is a weaker disinfectant than free chlorine and stays in the water distribution system longer. Free chlorine dissipates faster than chlorine. Water purveyors want a residual disinfectant present in tap water to prevent the growth of pathogens (Bacteria, viruses, etc.). A typical residual for chloraminated water is 1.5 ppm. It will dissipate if you draw the water and let it stand for 24 hours or so generally speaking. The other reason water is chloraminated is that chloramines are less reactive to organic compounds than free chlorine and thus produce fewer disinfection byproducts such as trihalomethanes which are regulated by federal and state water regulations. Long story short, the tap water industry does its best to provide the best water quality possible given its water resources and tap water is still the best deal around; usually less than a penny per gallon delivered to your home. Another way to remove chlorine/chloramines is to use Vitamin C. This may also lower the pH to that 5.5 range many hydro growers prefer for their plants.
Re: Chloramine - Chloramine is a weaker disinfectant than free chlorine and stays in the water distribution system longer. Free chlorine dissipates faster than chlorine. Water purveyors want a residual disinfectant present in tap water to prevent the growth of pathogens (Bacteria, viruses, etc.). A typical residual for chloraminated water is 1.5 ppm. It will dissipate if you draw the water and let it stand for 24 hours or so generally speaking. The other reason water is chloraminated is that chloramines are less reactive to organic compounds than free chlorine and thus produce fewer disinfection byproducts such as trihalomethanes which are regulated by federal and state water regulations. Long story short, the tap water industry does its best to provide the best water quality possible given its water resources and tap water is still the best deal around; usually less than a penny per gallon delivered to your home. Another way to remove chlorine/chloramines is to use Vitamin C. This may also lower the pH to that 5.5 range many hydro growers prefer for their plants.
hydronewbie
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
P.S. Doc, awesome grow!!!
P.S. Doc, awesome grow!!!
Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
From what I've read and researched, this is true for chlorine, but letting water stand does not eliminate chloramine.
There are tons of aquarium and pond products that remove chloramine quickly and effectively, but I think they may convert it into something not good for MJ, although if it's OK for fish and pond plants, I'm not sure why.
From what I've read and researched, this is true for chlorine, but letting water stand does not eliminate chloramine.
There are tons of aquarium and pond products that remove chloramine quickly and effectively, but I think they may convert it into something not good for MJ, although if it's OK for fish and pond plants, I'm not sure why.
MountainHigh
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
You might wanna think whole house filter for your house or just for your grow water, they are much cheaper overall than RO and probably will do quite well removing chloramine. I am not sure about posting off site websites but I saved a place when I was looking for my provider that shows a filter specifically designed for chloramine that does "very good" (most filters are poor). It runs around $400, but does 25,000 gallons of water (is excellent on almost everything else because chloramine is harder to trap) and replacement filters are around $100. Only restricts pressure by about 3 pounds, so filling jug's won't take forever.
Organic soil growers can go this route versus RO to purge their water. Only bad thing is they will need to cal-mag just like RO users.
I just researched "Whole house water filter chloramine" and it was the first link in google then.
brother
You might wanna think whole house filter for your house or just for your grow water, they are much cheaper overall than RO and probably will do quite well removing chloramine. I am not sure about posting off site websites but I saved a place when I was looking for my provider that shows a filter specifically designed for chloramine that does "very good" (most filters are poor). It runs around $400, but does 25,000 gallons of water (is excellent on almost everything else because chloramine is harder to trap) and replacement filters are around $100. Only restricts pressure by about 3 pounds, so filling jug's won't take forever.
Organic soil growers can go this route versus RO to purge their water. Only bad thing is they will need to cal-mag just like RO users.
I just researched "Whole house water filter chloramine" and it was the first link in google then.
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Doc, what issues are you seeing that are convincing you that tap may not be ideal?
Doc, what issues are you seeing that are convincing you that tap may not be ideal?
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
Ah....I wasn't clear.
I was originally thinking I wanted microbial cultures.....now I don't. The tap water is working perfectly.
Ah....I wasn't clear.
I was originally thinking I wanted microbial cultures.....now I don't. The tap water is working perfectly.
Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
My local hydro guy claims that beneficial fungus and bacteria are a good thing even in hydro. However, I am not sold on this. My thinking is that they are there to break down organic compounds for the plants and so with hydro, since the nutrients are already in a plant-consumable form, the microbes may not help at all. Besides, the best way to avoid root rot is to have H2O2 in solution which will wreak havoc on the beneficial microbes. What are your thoughts Doc?
My local hydro guy claims that beneficial fungus and bacteria are a good thing even in hydro. However, I am not sold on this. My thinking is that they are there to break down organic compounds for the plants and so with hydro, since the nutrients are already in a plant-consumable form, the microbes may not help at all. Besides, the best way to avoid root rot is to have H2O2 in solution which will wreak havoc on the beneficial microbes. What are your thoughts Doc?
hydronewbie
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
Maybe so. Here's the link for Vita-D-Chlor. #9 of its FAQ says the product (Asorbic Acid- Vitamin C) will dissipate both free chlorine and chloramines. If anyone is interested I can explain the chlorination breakpoint curve or you can google it. It's useful for those in the water utility industry and about as interesting as grandma's wrinkles to everyone else.
Maybe so. Here's the link for Vita-D-Chlor. #9 of its FAQ says the product (Asorbic Acid- Vitamin C) will dissipate both free chlorine and chloramines. If anyone is interested I can explain the chlorination breakpoint curve or you can google it. It's useful for those in the water utility industry and about as interesting as grandma's wrinkles to everyone else.
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
The beauty of hydro is that plants can spend all their energy on what happens above "ground" instead of making roots, etc. Certainly they still make massive roots in hydro, but the plant spends relatively little energy in doing so....hence the rapid growth.
The microbial culture around the roots mainly serve to break complex molecules into food for the plant and to carry waste away from the plant.
In hydro, the molecules aren't complex. They're simple and readily usable by the plant. Furthermore, the plant's roots are often bathed, fogged, dripped or otherwise rinsed off in the nutrient bath all the time....so dealing with waste isn't as big of an issue as with soil.
The microbial culture is constantly washed away from the root zone, and the waste products aren't there for it to dine on.....so it dies and gets sludgy, cloggy, icky, yucky....etc. Not always....but often.
Does this help the plants? My expert sources say "NO." Furthermore, this guy tries to talk you out of using bacterial/fungal cultures if you're using hydro. He will sell Hygrozyme and things like that, because they don't clog up, etc.
Update: Day 19 of Flower. The plants continue to grow in a very healthy manner. The buds are filling in, the leaves are green, there are a few little trichomes showing here and there.
I got 2 Casey Jones plants to day, to replace the 3 males that came with my "Feminized" seeds. They are much more Sativa dominant, and are lanky and opened up.
There were topped to get 4 main colas, and today my friend pruned one and coached me pruning the other. I was shocked at how much he removed....but he assured me that was the way to do it! I trust him implicitly...and he's got the product to prove it.
The beauty of hydro is that plants can spend all their energy on what happens above "ground" instead of making roots, etc. Certainly they still make massive roots in hydro, but the plant spends relatively little energy in doing so....hence the rapid growth.
The microbial culture around the roots mainly serve to break complex molecules into food for the plant and to carry waste away from the plant.
In hydro, the molecules aren't complex. They're simple and readily usable by the plant. Furthermore, the plant's roots are often bathed, fogged, dripped or otherwise rinsed off in the nutrient bath all the time....so dealing with waste isn't as big of an issue as with soil.
The microbial culture is constantly washed away from the root zone, and the waste products aren't there for it to dine on.....so it dies and gets sludgy, cloggy, icky, yucky....etc. Not always....but often.
Does this help the plants? My expert sources say "NO." Furthermore, this guy tries to talk you out of using bacterial/fungal cultures if you're using hydro. He will sell Hygrozyme and things like that, because they don't clog up, etc.
Update: Day 19 of Flower. The plants continue to grow in a very healthy manner. The buds are filling in, the leaves are green, there are a few little trichomes showing here and there.
I got 2 Casey Jones plants to day, to replace the 3 males that came with my "Feminized" seeds. They are much more Sativa dominant, and are lanky and opened up.
There were topped to get 4 main colas, and today my friend pruned one and coached me pruning the other. I was shocked at how much he removed....but he assured me that was the way to do it! I trust him implicitly...and he's got the product to prove it.
Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
DOC, move you plants to where they are directly under the light. This will help a lot. Get all those main colas right under there and it okay if some leaves are over lapping. You gotta maximize everything here. maximize that light.. you put that light more than a ft. away and you would be surprised how fast the light intensity goes away. About 70% lumens is lost 2ft. away from light compared to a ft. away
DOC, move you plants to where they are directly under the light. This will help a lot. Get all those main colas right under there and it okay if some leaves are over lapping. You gotta maximize everything here. maximize that light.. you put that light more than a ft. away and you would be surprised how fast the light intensity goes away. About 70% lumens is lost 2ft. away from light compared to a ft. away
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
I've got a light mover, it spreads it around pretty well. The light is about 4 inches above the canopy.
I've got a light mover, it spreads it around pretty well. The light is about 4 inches above the canopy.
Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
OH!....lol. Look how good I am, I solved a problem that doesn't exist!
OH!....lol. Look how good I am, I solved a problem that doesn't exist!
MountainHigh
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A picture is worth a thousand words....but sometimes you need 1005.
Thanks for stopping by, both of you.
A picture is worth a thousand words....but sometimes you need 1005.
Thanks for stopping by, both of you.
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
Day 21 flower on the MK-Ultra....Day 12 on the Casey Jones.
The Casey Jones is much more lanky. It's in Coco/perlite and is showing some early Mg deficiencies in the older leaves. When It's time to water I should be able to correct that...nothing too bad. Casey Jones is just starting to show a few pre-flowers.
The MK are budding up nicely.
I do have the first sign of what could be a problem. Pictures below. Fellow growers, especially the experienced ones who only lurk on this journal, please chime in with advice.
All of these problems are on the same plant....the plant that had the worst root-rot when a baby. It's tall now, but the only leaves that show any sign of a problem are on this plant. The following pics are from the lower half of the plant.
Please understand, the plant is healthy overall, and is producing as it should. However, catching problems early and fixing them is the difference between good and great. So, please help me out.
Day 21 flower on the MK-Ultra....Day 12 on the Casey Jones.
The Casey Jones is much more lanky. It's in Coco/perlite and is showing some early Mg deficiencies in the older leaves. When It's time to water I should be able to correct that...nothing too bad. Casey Jones is just starting to show a few pre-flowers.
The MK are budding up nicely.
I do have the first sign of what could be a problem. Pictures below. Fellow growers, especially the experienced ones who only lurk on this journal, please chime in with advice.
All of these problems are on the same plant....the plant that had the worst root-rot when a baby. It's tall now, but the only leaves that show any sign of a problem are on this plant. The following pics are from the lower half of the plant.
Please understand, the plant is healthy overall, and is producing as it should. However, catching problems early and fixing them is the difference between good and great. So, please help me out.
Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
They are thickening up fast and nicely. Anytime you see those kinda pistolas this early, you know its gonna be some dense,far nugs.. Good man
They are thickening up fast and nicely. Anytime you see those kinda pistolas this early, you know its gonna be some dense,far nugs.. Good man
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
thanks!
What do you make of those leaves and the chlorosis starting at the tip of new, young leaves?
Anyone?
thanks!
What do you make of those leaves and the chlorosis starting at the tip of new, young leaves?
Anyone?
MountainHigh
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Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.
Stupid idea removed....Potassium maybe?
brother, hope you get it figured out.
Stupid idea removed....Potassium maybe?
brother, hope you get it figured out.