Mars-Hydro DWC 1 Plant 4x4 Scrog

[Tokin Roll]

Okay, now The Blue's Brothers.

I must say between the light and the nutrients this is up there as one of my easiest grows so far.

I have been trimming up this under side of the plant to get it ready to go under the net. Right now, she looks like she can fill a 36 to 40 inch net, we'll see. If your wonder how I fill my nets; it an average 6 to 7 weeks veg. before the switch.

Until I place her in the flower tent I can only guess the height of my net. Over the next couple of weeks you will see how I determine net height and when to put her under the net, and how. You will see how I get the branches to bend and positioning her for maximum coverage.

Images were taken earlier today.

That's all folk's.

Tok..

 

[Tokin Roll]

Update:
Impatience is now in the dark for 48 hours, then harvest time.

The Blues Brothers (aka Three Blue Kings) want to be in the show next.

After, I finish the harvest and clean up of equipment and tent, I will scrog her.

Tok..

Forgot, I did a solution change earlier on The Blues Brothers; which consist of 35ml Micro, 35 ml Grow, and 35 ml Bloom and 3 1/2 scoops of seaweed.

PPMs
Micro 590
Grow 860
Bloom 1150 Total ppm's 1150

Bucket temp 66 degrees
Room temp 72
Humidity 55%

I bump her up to get her ready to go under the net, and then into flower.

 

[Tokin Roll]

Just a little update.

I harvested Impatience yesterday, so been busy with that and clean up.

Time to get the 4x4 ready for The Blues Brothers.

More to come.

Tok..

 

[Tokin Roll]

A couple last images of Impatience before I chopped her.

A sample I told last year.

Stay safe and grow well my friends,

Tok..

The Blues Brother update will be in the morning..

 

[Dusty Kiefers]

Hey old timer, looking fantastic, nice flowers my friend.
B.B. looking propper.
Well done indeed.

 

[Tokin Roll]

Okay, since Impatience is drying.
It's time to bring out The Blues Brothers in to the spotlight.

She is currently at about 890 ppm's with a ph of 6.0.

Everything is in place for the move. The temperature control for the water has been great at controlling and keeping the water at about 66.5 degrees.

First some images.
All images were taken from the 16th to 19th.

Last trim and moving day.

The Blues Brothers getting fitted for the net. If you look at the bar upper right corner, I do this for my initial height measurement. The bar is actually about 3-4 inches below the canopy.

Time to get to work on the net.
Be right back.

Tok..

 

[Tokin Roll]

I'm back

So the net placement.

When this is done right you need to take your time and think about what you are doing, and what do you want to do.

The image were take all in one day, while I was playing. This is probably on of the most important steps; spreading the branch out properly under the net. This isn't hard just think about what you are doing.

Branch have all been bent that needed bent.

This is my initial height for the net, and it wasn't low enough for my to fill my net.

When you scrog care must be used to try and position all of the branches to grow straight. It's not hard just look down the center of the plant and you will see what I mean.

Here I lower the net another inch. Still not low enough.

Here I lower it another 2 inches, and I am good with this height. So when I switch her to flower it's going to get real busy. This is how you control the stretch of the first three week of flower.

Can you tell she is spread out for the stretch?

At next flush and solution change I will switch her to flower, probably Monday.

Stay safe, and grow well my friends,

Tok..

Is anyone paying attention, or have questions?

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

I'm back

So the net placement.

When this is done right you need to take your time and think about what you are doing, and what do you want to do.

The image were take all in one day, while I was playing. This is probably on of the most important steps; spreading the branch out properly under the net. This isn't hard just think about what you are doing.

Branch have all been bent that needed bent.

This is my initial height for the net, and it wasn't low enough for my to fill my net.

When you scrog care must be used to try and position all of the branches to grow straight. It's not hard just look down the center of the plant and you will see what I mean.

Here I lower the net another inch. Still not low enough.

Here I lower it another 2 inches, and I am good with this height. So when I switch her to flower it's going to get real busy. This is how you control the stretch of the first three week of flower.

Can you tell she is spread out for the stretch?

At next flush and solution change I will switch her to flower, probably Monday.

Stay safe, and grow well my friends,

Tok..

Is anyone paying attention, or have questions?

Heck yea I’m paying attention. Looks amazing. I’m guessing you use the method of twisting or popping the stem to make the bend correct? The “Kushman Chiropractic Double Twist”!

NTH

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

@Jon

NTH

 

[Tokin Roll]

Heck yea I’m paying attention. Looks amazing. I’m guessing you use the method of twisting or popping the stem to make the bend correct? The “Kushman Chiropractic Double Twist”!

I normally just crush the between thumb and middle finger.

If it's to tough to do that I have a couple small stick I use and save my fingers.
If you use a lot of silica early in the grow the stem get tough, to do.

Kushman Chiropractic Double Twist - I am not familiar with this technique.

 

[Jon]

I'm back

So the net placement.

When this is done right you need to take your time and think about what you are doing, and what do you want to do.

The image were take all in one day, while I was playing. This is probably on of the most important steps; spreading the branch out properly under the net. This isn't hard just think about what you are doing.

Branch have all been bent that needed bent.

This is my initial height for the net, and it wasn't low enough for my to fill my net.

When you scrog care must be used to try and position all of the branches to grow straight. It's not hard just look down the center of the plant and you will see what I mean.

Here I lower the net another inch. Still not low enough.

Here I lower it another 2 inches, and I am good with this height. So when I switch her to flower it's going to get real busy. This is how you control the stretch of the first three week of flower.

Can you tell she is spread out for the stretch?

At next flush and solution change I will switch her to flower, probably Monday.

Stay safe, and grow well my friends,

Tok..

Is anyone paying attention, or have questions?

Most definitely paying attention. Love this. Very well done, very educational, excellent presentation. Just from this post alone I have already learned several things I did wrong in my first scrog attempt in the last journal that hermied on me. This is excellent for wanna be scroggers man, if there's some way to announce your journal to those folks (I'm one of them) that would probably have a lot of value. Does to me. I do have a few questions (and you did ask for it, lol, hope you don't mind a quiz, your infrastructure is amazing man...):

- When you spread her and prepare for the screen, do you always do it in a ring like that with the hole in the center? What is the particular advantage to doing it in this shape to prep for the screen?
- When you start to spread out the branches, do you take the outer ones of the ring and extend them out like a clock and let new growth fill in the rest? What exactly is the method for spreading your gorgeous prepped ring out most effectively and why is that the most effective way to do it?
- Will this plant fill the screen completely in the 4x4?
- It appears you basically let this plant grow with minimal training until the screen, ie, the screen basically IS your training. It looks like all you have done is trim off some bottom volume. Did you train this plant in any way before the screen hits? Besides the setup ring shape to prep for the screen I mean?
- Was this plant topped at all and if so how and when?
- How many plants in what size container works best for a scrog in a 5x5? Could I grow one plant in a 7 or 10 and scrog her to fill the entire screen in a 5x5? That's kinda the challenge I want to take on if it's possible.
- I and many others prefer screens with holes half that size or so. Then you and many others use this size screen square hole. I'm not clear, despite many explanations, about which is more effective. Why do you choose to use a screen this size holes versus one with twice as many holes? Couldn't you generate more buds with more squares to place new growth into as you tuck? Or is there a point of diminishing returns and that is why? I guess I need some basic education on that particular concept.

Thanks TR. I fricking love what you have going on. I'm an infrastructure guy. Much respect.

 

[oldmanjj]

Well done Tok!!!

 

[Tokin Roll]

- When you spread her and prepare for the screen, do you always do it in a ring like that with the hole in the center? What is the particular advantage to doing it in this shape to prep for the screen?

I will see her fill in, in the center once she in flower. New bids sites will form in the center also.

- When you start to spread out the branches, do you take the outer ones of the ring and extend them out like a clock and let new growth fill in the rest? What exactly is the method for spreading your gorgeous prepped ring out most effectively and why is that the most effective way to do it?

Yes exactly, Okay now your starting to ask the right questions.

When I am still in veg, which for a 4x4 net may be 5 to 7 week. A lot of the fan leaves need to be removed in a methodical way. When I say that, with Indica (can get a tad bushy) I defoliated twice low and once high (in the center of the plant from above), and I am not shy, but don't strip her naked. When I do my top trim I am also looking to see which are the best branches to send to the corners. This is important because once the stretch start you can't change your mind.

Will this plant fill the screen completely in the 4x4?

Nothing is guarantee in life, but if done right with enough light, I will go out on a limb and say you can push the walls of a 4x4.

- It appears you basically let this plant grow with minimal training until the screen, ie, the screen basically IS your training. It looks like all you have done is trim off some bottom volume. Did you train this plant in any way before the screen hits? Besides the setup ring shape to prep for the screen I mean?

Your right, only topped once after the sixth node.
I'm not sure if I already answer the second part?

Was this plant topped at all and if so how and when?

one up.

How many plants in what size container works best for a scrog in a 5x5? Could I grow one plant in a 7 or 10 and scrog her to fill the entire screen in a 5x5? That's kinda the challenge I want to take on if it's possible.

Another good question.

I believe in 2 sq. ft. per plant if in soil, soil I would say you can fit more plants in the size area, but scrogging is a different story. If you do one plant in soil in a 5x5 area, plan on a 5 and may be more months for that one plant.

I have seen growers do multiple stains/plant under one net, but it's never done correctly. I am not a fan of my buds toughing each other, unless I am pushing the walls.

I currently am working of a sponsor soil grow, one pant in a 2x4 tent scroged.

- I and many others prefer screens with holes half that size or so. Then you and many others use this size screen square hole. I'm not clear, despite many explanations, about which is more effective. Why do you choose to use a screen this size holes versus one with twice as many holes? Couldn't you generate more buds with more squares to place new growth into as you tuck? Or is there a point of diminishing returns and that is why? I guess I need some basic education on that particular concept.

Section size in the net is a individual choice. I make my net and I find about 3 inch sections help more in the spreading of the branches, than say a 6 inch gap. Remember the net is only to hold the branches down so everything can grow up between them.

Scrogging is a plan, not something you decide to do at the last minute.

Once, I switch to flower you will have a better idea on what I am saying.

Thanks for all your questions and keep them coming.

I may do a couple video's if that helps, during flower.

Stay safe, and grow well my friend,

Tok..

 

[Jon]

I will see her fill in, in the center once she in flower. New bids sites will form in the center also.


Yes exactly, Okay now your starting to ask the right questions.

When I am still in veg, which for a 4x4 net may be 5 to 7 week. A lot of the fan leaves need to be removed in a methodical way. When I say that, with Indica (can get a tad bushy) I defoliated twice low and once high (in the center of the plant from above), and I am not shy, but don't strip her naked. When I do my top trim I am also looking to see which are the best branches to send to the corners. This is important because once the stretch start you can't change your mind.

Nothing is guarantee in life, but if done right with enough light, I will go out on a limb and say you can push the walls of a 4x4.


Your right, only topped once after the sixth node.
I'm not sure if I already answer the second part?


one up.


Another good question.

I believe in 2 sq. ft. per plant if in soil, soil I would say you can fit more plants in the size area, but scrogging is a different story. If you do one plant in soil in a 5x5 area, plan on a 5 and may be more months for that one plant.

I have seen growers do multiple stains/plant under one net, but it's never done correctly. I am not a fan of my buds toughing each other, unless I am pushing the walls.

I currently am working of a sponsor soil grow, one pant in a 2x4 tent scroged.


Section size in the net is a individual choice. I make my net and I find about 3 inch sections help more in the spreading of the branches, than say a 6 inch gap. Remember the net is only to hold the branches down so everything can grow up between them.

Scrogging is a plan, not something you decide to do at the last minute.

Once, I switch to flower you will have a better idea on what I am saying.

Thanks for all your questions and keep them coming.

I may do a couple video's if that helps, during flower.

Stay safe, and grow well my friend,

Tok..

Awesome, thank you very much. Interesting as hell. You highlighted one of my first mistakes on attempt number one, which was doing four plants of three different strains. I also don't like my plants touching, so there was another mistake, cuz I almost had mold and stuff due to them being so smashed together...four for a 5x5 in 5s is too many plants to do it right. I'm with you completely so far. So one plant in a five eh? I see that you will likely push the walls of the tent you have going, and you're in a five, but really, one plant in a five for a 5x5? Obviously it could be done but the root ball would fill the five before flower even started or at least mine would in 70 days or so. So the total budding time they have no new room to move into. This is why I ask you if a 7 might be better for one plant, and understand I have 9 feet of height in my tent and not the slightest concern about the tallness of the plants. But heck, my auto root balls fill a five and could go bigger. Are you sure if I'm going to try one plant I wouldn't be better off in a seven?

 

[Tokin Roll]

If you are going for one plant in a 5x5 I think I would go larger than a 7 gallon pot. I am using a 7 for a 2x4 grow, I would think you would be better off going for a 15 or 20 gallon pot. I personally have not used anything over a ten.

But, I like DWC response.

 

[Jon]

If you are going for one plant in a 5x5 I think I would go larger than a 7 gallon pot. I am using a 7 for a 2x4 grow, I would think you would be better off going for a 15 or 20 gallon pot. I personally have not used anything over a ten.

But, I like DWC response.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Cool.

DWC response?

 

[Tokin Roll]

Thanks, that's what I thought. Cool.

DWC response?

You might say it is somewhat faster than soil.

 

[Tokin Roll]

Todays up date and screw up not really.

Impatience is still drying for now.

Three Blues Brothers on the other hand, well after finishing placing and I closed the tent. Don't realizes I had placed her on auto on my timer and it when straight too 12 and12. No Biggy, I just gave her a 2 gallon flush for 30 minutes and gave a bloom nutrients.

The water chiller I install in the bucket is working great at controlling the water temps.

Solution info. for 4 gallons of solution

Amt PPM's Sub-total PPM's Total PPM's PH

Micro 40ml 560

Grow 40ml 360 920

Bloom 60ml 400 1320


Purpinator 45ml 250 1570 5.4

Feed Water

2 scoops of calmag per gallon of water mixed, then added 1 scoop of Easy Weed mix well.

* Drank 1 gallon of cal-mag/seaweed and water mix in two days.

* 330 ppm's dropped in two days.


Placed my @ViparSpectra xs-2000 in my 4x4 to help get full coverage for this net.

Give me a few and I will post some images.

Tok..

 

[StoneOtter]

I'm back

So the net placement.

When this is done right you need to take your time and think about what you are doing, and what do you want to do.

The image were take all in one day, while I was playing. This is probably on of the most important steps; spreading the branch out properly under the net. This isn't hard just think about what you are doing.

Branch have all been bent that needed bent.

This is my initial height for the net, and it wasn't low enough for my to fill my net.

When you scrog care must be used to try and position all of the branches to grow straight. It's not hard just look down the center of the plant and you will see what I mean.

Here I lower the net another inch. Still not low enough.

Here I lower it another 2 inches, and I am good with this height. So when I switch her to flower it's going to get real busy. This is how you control the stretch of the first three week of flower.

Can you tell she is spread out for the stretch?

At next flush and solution change I will switch her to flower, probably Monday.

Stay safe, and grow well my friends,

Tok..

Is anyone paying attention, or have questions?

I am! Thanks for the detailed explanation!

 

[Jon]

I am! Thanks for the detailed explanation!

Me too! And yes, I have a question. Or many. So now Monday you switch to 12/12. The plant will start stretching shortly thereafter. This will go on for however long, maybe two weeks or so. As the branches get longer, will you continue to tuck them out wider and wider to fill the outer remaining screen holes? And will you also, as the stretch goes on, do something (LST, supercropping, bending, whatever) to try and have bud sites in each hole of the screen and to fill the outer space as evenly as possible? Would you use supercropping just to change the direction on a branch to send it to a certain space? I would think during the stretch is when you do all that, yes? If so, then I guess you'll use the new growth from the stretch to fill the middle holes of your doughnut, and the lengthening long branches to spread wider and let new growth on them fill the outer holes beyond the ring of the doughnut? Also, once the plant is done stretching are you done tucking? Or will you stop before the stretch is over once everything is even in like ten days and let it grow up above the screen a little bit for a few days to get some length above the screen?

I guess that's peppering you enough for the moment. Thanks so much for your willingness to entertain questions. Your knowledge is invaluable and helps me a ton. Many others too I'm sure. Very cool.