Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[gudyul]

Just a little factoid on time limits on editing posts for the rest of the members who may not know. I believe you have 420 minutes in which you can edit your own post. (I don't think that's changed, but if it has, someone feel free to correct me) After that it has to be done by a request to a mod.

It's been over 420 for me to go back and edit my STUPID post. I apologise for being such a wanker. However I do have a few weird thoughts going through my head that I want to share. I understand that when we mix all the goodies together we come up with a cream or lotion or salve. I made concoction for my seborrheic dermatitis ( SB) which was basically three or four oils mixed together and later I found out that I should not have used olive oil so I do not use it on my face and scalp where the SB is.

THe concoction is about a cup of cannabis infused virgin olive oil( the kind that gets you wasted on half a teaspoon) with with a splash of neem oil and a 10 drops of oregano oil ( makes a nice heat sensation if used sparingly) . For me smell is very medicinal but not unpleasant. I use the oil concoction externally. I suppose it could be called a lotion or cream by definition. Some days after a being very busy all day I pretty much ache all over and so I apply this oil to my feet , calves , back, neck , shoulders, hands , wrists and arms. Pretty much everywhere. It absorbs nicely. If it was made with fractionated coconut oil (FCO), instead of olive oil, I would also anoint my face and scalp and inside and behind my ears . This got me to thinking that it may be good for my jock itch and of course one thing leads to another...

Eventually I became very relaxed and buzzed and the idea occurred to me that if infused oil could be administered rectally, to avoid liver metabolization, then why not dose through the vagina if you have one and are so inclined ? I have never heard of anyone doing this. Wrong thread? sorry.

 

[Magnus8]

So the question becomes whether it's more important for you to save money by reclaiming the solvent, or to spend the extra money on solvent and move the job along faster? What's more important to you, time or money? Either choice is good, just pick the one that makes you happiest and run with it. 20 ounces of quality CBD. Wow!

I can tell you from my studies that it's the high THC that'll make the cream most usable as a topical. It's the THC that binds to the receptors in pain and turn the signals off.

Hi Sue!!!

So wonderful to see you here. And thanks for that info about the high THC. We all needed that tidbit of info from you. See how invaluable your knowledge is to us? That was something I thought I was going to have to research on my own and now I don't.

I'm not joking about how important you would be to us here in this room. I know you are an incredibly busy woman, but if we could have a few hours of your time each week in this study hall, we would all benefit. I think maybe you might benefit from what we have to say, too.

Gawd. I feel like I'm begging!

Regardless, it's so nice to see you here. I really mean that.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Eventually I became very relaxed and buzzed and the idea occurred to me that if infused oil could be administered rectally, to avoid liver metabolization, then why not dose through the vagina if you have one and are so inclined ? I have never heard of anyone doing this. Wrong thread? sorry.

I will risk some information on this here. There are some natural barriers created by the body in that area for specific reasons. I would question if it would be a guessing game as to whether the benefits of the oil would make it through to the target areas. Check this page out for some info on drug delivery for the method. Scroll down to the heading.
PHYSIOLOGY OF THE VAGINA AND BARRIERS TO DRUG DELIVERY
Then check out the 4th paragraph for some info on targets and barriers for drug delivery.

Vaginal Drug Delivery Systems for HIV Prevention

Hope that helps answer some basic questions. That's all I got on it. I'm not in a position of knowledge to debate any findings pro or con on it. And this thread probably wouldn't be the place to do that either.

Back to Magnus and making creams....

Have you made any use of Cocoa Butter in your concoctions? I used to use that to help solidify mixtures as well as the great benefits I had read about it.
I read your post with all of your oils, but didn't see this mentioned. It's not an oil, but what's your thoughts on it?

 

[Magnus8]

It's been over 420 for me to go back and edit my STUPID post. I apologise for being such a wanker. However I do have a few weird thoughts going through my head that I want to share. I understand that when we mix all the goodies together we come up with a cream or lotion or salve. I made concoction for my seborrheic dermatitis ( SB) which was basically three or four oils mixed together and later I found out that I should not have used olive oil so I do not use it on my face and scalp where the SB is.

THe concoction is about a cup of cannabis infused virgin olive oil( the kind that gets you wasted on half a teaspoon) with with a splash of neem oil and a 10 drops of oregano oil ( makes a nice heat sensation if used sparingly) . For me smell is very medicinal but not unpleasant. I use the oil concoction externally. I suppose it could be called a lotion or cream by definition. Some days after a being very busy all day I pretty much ache all over and so I apply this oil to my feet , calves , back, neck , shoulders, hands , wrists and arms. Pretty much everywhere. It absorbs nicely. If it was made with fractionated coconut oil (FCO), instead of olive oil, I would also anoint my face and scalp and inside and behind my ears . This got me to thinking that it may be good for my jock itch and of course one thing leads to another...

Eventually I became very relaxed and buzzed and the idea occurred to me that if infused oil could be administered rectally, to avoid liver metabolization, then why not dose through the vagina if you have one and are so inclined ? I have never heard of anyone doing this. Wrong thread? sorry.

Hey Gudyul,

Nice to see you poke your face around these parts. I'd heard about you -- only good things, mind you -- from SweetSue, and am very pleased to see you here. Whatever comments/insights you have are always welcomed here, you know. Welcome, from me.

 

[Magnus8]

I will risk some information on this here. There are some natural barriers created by the body in that area for specific reasons. I would question if it would be a guessing game as to whether the benefits of the oil would make it through to the target areas. Check this page out for some info on drug delivery for the method. Scroll down to the heading.
PHYSIOLOGY OF THE VAGINA AND BARRIERS TO DRUG DELIVERY
Then check out the 4th paragraph for some info on targets and barriers for drug delivery.

Vaginal Drug Delivery Systems for HIV Prevention

Hope that helps answer some basic questions. That's all I got on it. I'm not in a position of knowledge to debate any findings pro or con on it. And this thread probably wouldn't be the place to do that either.

Back to Magnus and making creams....

Have you made any use of Cocoa Butter in your concoctions? I used to use that to help solidify mixtures as well as the great benefits I had read about it.
I read your post with all of your oils, but didn't see this mentioned. It's not an oil, but what's your thoughts on it?

I'm so sorry, everyone, but I thought I had mentioned it in the list. I certainly meant to do so. It is definitely one of those fats that can be used to thicken a mixture since it is hard almost like damned rock when it cools!

I HAVE used cocoa butter before and I love it. I love the texture. I love what it does for the skin. And I especially love the smell of it! You don't get much better than cocoa butter for scent in fats.

Cocoa Butter will definitely be one of those fats I will address when I do up my short posts on fats used in creams/butters/lotions. I'll have a bit more to say about it then, Cannafan. Have to keep you all in suspense, now don't I? Seriously, these won't be major write ups and I will likely forget a lot to say about each one. I'll be hoping for those of you who have experience with some of these oils, or better reference texts maybe, to help me along with these writeups. Yes, I'm looking at YOU Cannafan!!! Just joking. No pressure (the pressure's on, don't you feel it?). And even though it isn't officially an "oil" but could still be classified as a "fat," I still regularly term it as an oil, just because it does so many of the same things that oils do. So please don't castigate me for that when I make that mistake, as I surely will.

I'll try to begin my postings about oils/fats later today. I've got a few more things to take care of this morning (like more sleep -- I only got 2.5 hours last night) and then I've got to feed my little deamons (my growing plants in the tent in my spare bedroom). Wow. I say my spare bedroom and it sounds like I've got all this money to throw away, like who has a spare bedroom but someone who has lots of disposable income. In reality, my wife-bot and I rent a mobile home and there's only the two of us so that leaves us with two spare bedrooms, tiny little things that are deadly cold in the winter and terribly terribly small. These are the bedrooms that all mobile homes have that are where the children of the poor in our society are supposed to sleep. Oopsie! There's an inkling of my socio-political leanings coming through right now. I try to excise that from my posts, but sometimes it gets hard to do so. So there you have it. I'm dirt poor and trying to do with all on a government disability cheque that comes each month. And it's terribly hard. And sometimes I get angry. And so I write posts like this one.

It's not exactly the government that I get most angry at for keeping us so poverty striken. It's more my own body that I get angry at. For putting me in this position in the first place. For keeping me from being able to work a bona fide job. For keeping me so ashamed of myself and my inabilities. For so much. No, I'm not one to blame someone else for my own situation. Just myself.

So, on that stupid note, hope everyone is having a wonderful Monday morning!

On another very good note... The editing on the second chapter of my novel, Finding Max, went very well this weekend and I was able to have it back to my editor by Sunday morning. I'm still waiting to hear from her. If she keeps to our schedule, and she will; she always does, then she'll have the third chapter to me by the end of the week to check over her edits and either approve or mark for discussion those edits she has done. It's kind of a fun process, if rather slow. I'm the kind of person who likes to work fast, and this is just not fast enough. Mind you, to do a good job, I'd rather she takes her time with her edits. I never knew that the editing process could be so damaging to the ego! Mind you, this is the first time I've had an editor work on a book with me, either.

So I'll sign off. Have great days, everyone. Looking forward to seeing what we come up with this week! Look for those posts on fats/oils to begin to arrive soon. They will tell you a lot and hopefully give you a lot of ideas.

 

[Magnus8]

It's been over 420 for me to go back and edit my STUPID post. I apologise for being such a wanker. However I do have a few weird thoughts going through my head that I want to share. I understand that when we mix all the goodies together we come up with a cream or lotion or salve. I made concoction for my seborrheic dermatitis ( SB) which was basically three or four oils mixed together and later I found out that I should not have used olive oil so I do not use it on my face and scalp where the SB is.

THe concoction is about a cup of cannabis infused virgin olive oil( the kind that gets you wasted on half a teaspoon) with with a splash of neem oil and a 10 drops of oregano oil ( makes a nice heat sensation if used sparingly) . For me smell is very medicinal but not unpleasant. I use the oil concoction externally. I suppose it could be called a lotion or cream by definition. Some days after a being very busy all day I pretty much ache all over and so I apply this oil to my feet , calves , back, neck , shoulders, hands , wrists and arms. Pretty much everywhere. It absorbs nicely. If it was made with fractionated coconut oil (FCO), instead of olive oil, I would also anoint my face and scalp and inside and behind my ears . This got me to thinking that it may be good for my jock itch and of course one thing leads to another...

Eventually I became very relaxed and buzzed and the idea occurred to me that if infused oil could be administered rectally, to avoid liver metabolization, then why not dose through the vagina if you have one and are so inclined ? I have never heard of anyone doing this. Wrong thread? sorry.

Hi Gudyul,

Just to clarify one thing: There is no difference between a cream and a butter. Neither one uses waterbased ingredients into their mixes.

There is a big difference in lotions, which incorporate both water based and fats into one concoction, utilizing an emulsifying agent to maintain stability between the two.

Just so that you understand.

 

[gudyul]

Thanks for the kind explanation!

 

[gudyul]

I will risk some information on this here. There are some natural barriers created by the body in that area for specific reasons. I would question if it would be a guessing game as to whether the benefits of the oil would make it through to the target areas. Check this page out for some info on drug delivery for the method. Scroll down to the heading.
PHYSIOLOGY OF THE VAGINA AND BARRIERS TO DRUG DELIVERY
Then check out the 4th paragraph for some info on targets and barriers for drug delivery.

Vaginal Drug Delivery Systems for HIV Prevention

Hope that helps answer some basic questions. That's all I got on it. I'm not in a position of knowledge to debate any findings pro or con on it. And this thread probably wouldn't be the place to do that either.

Back to Magnus and making creams....

Have you made any use of Cocoa Butter in your concoctions? I used to use that to help solidify mixtures as well as the great benefits I had read about it.
I read your post with all of your oils, but didn't see this mentioned. It's not an oil, but what's your thoughts on it?

Wow that article seems to be related to this thread as it talks about films ,gels and ointments as carriers for microbicides in combating HIV using the vagina as a pathway . Of course creams, lotions and butters are more for topical applications a. Very interesting stuff read. Thanks for the link.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Quick question for you oh Guru of the creams. Is there any reason I can't use soy wax instead of beeswax? I have 50lbs of soy for candles and it is much easier to work with.

 

[Magnus8]

Truthfully, SG, I have never, ever heard of anyone using soy wax in a lotion or a cream. Which leads me to think that it would not work for some reason or another. Whether that be because it would act as too much of a barrier to your carrier oil or because it might react with the oils adversely, I cannot hazard any guesses. Unless Cannafan has something to say about this, I would hesitate before doing so, at least until doing further research on it. Seriously, when I read your post, I thought immediately, how weird an idea... to use soy wax... weird.... just... weird. That was truly my response. Again, as long as it isn't toxic (I don't know what additives might have been incorporated into your soy wax candles) then you could try. what do you have to lose except some top quality ingredients, some time, some money, etc etc etc. hahaha. just chokin' yer chicken there! But seriously, check out whatever ingredients are on the side of your soy wax candle container and check each one out online. And if it says something like "Parfum" then DO NOT USE for sure. This is a common word used to denote scent that could be made of anything but surely is not skin safe. scent for candles is almost never, ever skin safe. only scent for soaps is skin safe and non toxic, though there too they use the word, "Parfum."

 

[SweetSue]

I've caught up to page eight Magnus. I was looking for supergroomer's cream formula. I've a dear friend who asked me to make a cream for her mother, in hopes of relieving the tension of headaches she's been getting since she fell and smacked her head on the fridge. They've checked her out and didn't find any damage to explain the reaccuring head pain, so we're thinking a pain cream might free things up enough to offer some relief.

4 grams of Carnival.......

4 ounces of grape seed oil

Shake every hour until I turn into someone who sleeps, and then every time I think of it from then on.

36 hours at the lowest setting, which in my oven is 170 degrees F.

I'll be using the measurements supergroomer worked out. I'll let you know how production goes and post a picture before it goes out. I'll have her report back any feedback from her mother.

You're doing great work here Magnus. I'm so pleased you get to share your passions with us, and the participation is heartwarming. At some point I'll catch up with other pressing projects and be around more. I have an interest in topicals too.



I'll bake it for the next 36 hours

 

[Shawnee]

Fantastic information, Sue, the more research the better, I am so interested in this topic as well.....thank you

 

[SweetSue]

Fantastic information, Sue, the more information the better, I am so interested in this information as well.....thank you

I'll do my best to document thoroughly Shawnee. You know how I love pictures. I don't think Magnus will mind if I do some decorating.

 

[Shawnee]

Let me tell you; I marvel at how prolific a picture taker and documenter you have become....makes me seem like the total slacker, but we all have to do what we have to do and whatever runs our lives....hats off.....

 

[SweetSue]

Let me tell you; I marvel at how prolific a picture taker and documenter you have become....makes me seem like the total slacker, but we all have to do what we have to do and whatever runs our lives....hats off.....

I've had the incredible freedom to be allowed to learn to work on impulse Shawnee. I start out cold and go along for the ride. Lots of fun once you learn to let go of the need to control. Never knew I had all this inside me.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Truthfully, SG, I have never, ever heard of anyone using soy wax in a lotion or a cream. Which leads me to think that it would not work for some reason or another. Whether that be because it would act as too much of a barrier to your carrier oil or because it might react with the oils adversely, I cannot hazard any guesses. Unless Cannafan has something to say about this, I would hesitate before doing so, at least until doing further research on it. Seriously, when I read your post, I thought immediately, how weird an idea... to use soy wax... weird.... just... weird. That was truly my response. Again, as long as it isn't toxic (I don't know what additives might have been incorporated into your soy wax candles) then you could try. what do you have to lose except some top quality ingredients, some time, some money, etc etc etc. hahaha. just chokin' yer chicken there! But seriously, check out whatever ingredients are on the side of your soy wax candle container and check each one out online. And if it says something like "Parfum" then DO NOT USE for sure. This is a common word used to denote scent that could be made of anything but surely is not skin safe. scent for candles is almost never, ever skin safe. only scent for soaps is skin safe and non toxic, though there too they use the word, "Parfum."

Although I have never personally used the soy wax when I did a little candle making way back when, I know there are differences. SG should look into cosmetic grade soy wax, which is used in cosmetics and it is blended with oils like we would use here.
I just took the time to look a bit on the net, and there is a brand called cb135 that is cosmetic grade and supposedly works quite well for incorporating with oils.
So, the question is...what kind of soy candle wax he has. Is it food grade, kosher? Or does it have additives, parfum as Magnus mentioned, or coloring etc.?

That's all I got.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Although I have never personally used the soy wax when I did a little candle making way back when, I know there are differences. SG should look into cosmetic grade soy wax, which is used in cosmetics and it is blended with oils like we would use here.
I just took the time to look a bit on the net, and there is a brand called cb135 that is cosmetic grade and supposedly works quite well for incorporating with oils.
So, the question is...what kind of soy candle wax he has. Is it food grade, kosher? Or does it have additives, parfum as Magnus mentioned, or coloring etc.?

That's all I got.

Here is what I have. No color or fragrance, Kosher certified. :

Melt Point: 111 °F Container Candle Soy Wax EcoSoya® CB-Advanced Soy has extreme resistance to bloom (white frosting) and ñwet spotsî. It contracts slightly to produce a uniform beautiful appearance, requires only one pour, has good scent throw with fragrances, and a creamy white appearance. EcoSoya® CB-Advanced Soy is made from pure soybeans and carefully selected botanical oils. Candles made with CB-Advanced Soy resist frosting, have a smooth top surface and an even burn pool with consistent color retention.

I may make a small batch with this for me to try. I will let you all know how it works out.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Here is what I have. No color or fragrance, Kosher certified. :

Melt Point: 111 °F Container Candle Soy Wax EcoSoya® CB-Advanced Soy has extreme resistance to bloom (white frosting) and ñwet spotsî. It contracts slightly to produce a uniform beautiful appearance, requires only one pour, has good scent throw with fragrances, and a creamy white appearance. EcoSoya® CB-Advanced Soy is made from pure soybeans and carefully selected botanical oils. Candles made with CB-Advanced Soy resist frosting, have a smooth top surface and an even burn pool with consistent color retention.

I may make a small batch with this for me to try. I will let you all know how it works out.

That's what you need. That is the cosmetic grade stuff. Looking forward to your results for sure.

 

[SweetSue]

Although I have never personally used the soy wax when I did a little candle making way back when, I know there are differences. SG should look into cosmetic grade soy wax, which is used in cosmetics and it is blended with oils like we would use here.
I just took the time to look a bit on the net, and there is a brand called cb135 that is cosmetic grade and supposedly works quite well for incorporating with oils.
So, the question is...what kind of soy candle wax he has. Is it food grade, kosher? Or does it have additives, parfum as Magnus mentioned, or coloring etc.?

That's all I got.

I wasn't even aware there was a cosmetic-grade soy wax, but that makes perfect sense. I'll be interested in proportions using this component. Would you use this in place of beeswax, or with it?

 

[Dave Groomer]

That's what you need. That is the cosmetic grade stuff. Looking forward to your results for sure.

Thanks Canna!! That makes me feel a little better that someone else thinks it is the right stuff too!!

It is so much easier to work with then the Beeswax!!!