I'd have to rerun the calcs with different combinations of their bottles to see how to bring that more in line with what I shoot for in late flower. Certainly the Bloom at 1-4-7 and the AstroFlower at 1-6-11 are good places to start!
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I would reduce the AstroFlower, personally. It's easy to add the sulfur back in with Epsom salt, which would also raise the mag.
There's zinc in the AF as well, though.
There's zinc in the AF as well, though.
Given how many bottles there are to choose from the first combo I came up with was:
Bloom 10.5ml
Magnifical 14.6ml
VeloKelp 7.8ml
Epsom salt: .5mg
That's a bit high in the N for some but it takes you to:
164-58-179 with Ca 78, Mg 63, and S 17.
I could spend more time tweaking it but if it's all academic I won't keep trying!
Bloom 10.5ml
Magnifical 14.6ml
VeloKelp 7.8ml
Epsom salt: .5mg
That's a bit high in the N for some but it takes you to:
164-58-179 with Ca 78, Mg 63, and S 17.
I could spend more time tweaking it but if it's all academic I won't keep trying!
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It's not just anecdotal, I'm out of Rx Blend and switching to Remo. I've shot myself in the foot with bloom boosters before, and I'm not thrilled with the prospect of following their schedule and ending up with a sub-par product right out of the gate. If you have the numbers to crunch and the time to do it, I'll take your answers to heart and adjust my feed accordingly.
Well if you're okay with the numbers above then that blend is fine. Some folks are interested in lower nitrogen though, so if you are reply in my thread so we don't derail LKA's!
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Yes, I am feeding according to the chart with one exception... I skipped week# 5. It was just timing really, but I went straight from wk# 4 to wk# 6. I am using the wk7 mix now.
Thanks for this Shed. K tox seems likely with those numbers.Just found it and here is what it recommends for week 7 of flowering:
If that's what you're using the numbers come out like this by my calcs:
159-127-439 with Ca at 0, Mg at 40, and S at 26.
K is off the charts and no idea why they drop Ca to 0 at the end. Of course this only applies if you're using their numbers!
Please, keep going. I expect I'm going to see the same thing with Julie, so I'd love to see your take on Remo's flowering schedule and how you would change it.
I noticed you took out the Nature's Candy, which has Mg & S in it. Would it make sense to add this back instead of some of the Epsom?
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I want to be able to calculate nutrients like Shed! I've tried to download the HydroBuddy android app and it never works. Instead, I downloaded the windows version.
First, I entered the Remo line from the guaranteed analysis on their web site. I set up the Remo nutrients, then I watched a video and set them up right
I had to check the 'Add substance in mL' and then change the P & K inputs to P2O5 & K2O.
I also set up my water, for which I have an analysis. I set this as the default water for the app.
Then I entered 10ml/G of each, as per the Remo schedule for week 6-8. I get this:
I must have done something right because my numbers pretty much match Shed's - 159-127-440. I'm showing plenty of CA from the Micro, at 94. Mg at 42 and S at 54, which isn't bad. Too muck K, though, as Shed mentioned. If I just drop the AstroFlower I get this:
This is 132-58-199 with 94 Ca, 42 Mg, and 28 S. As Mel said above, I may need to add some Epsom to bump up the S and I would be missing Zinc. This looks like a better formula for late flower, though.
@InTheShed let me know if it looks like I have this set up right. I'd love to hear any feedback you have. I'm having fun playing around with the app and can't wait to add PB, MC, and several other 'substances'.
First, I entered the Remo line from the guaranteed analysis on their web site. I set up the Remo nutrients, then I watched a video and set them up right
I had to check the 'Add substance in mL' and then change the P & K inputs to P2O5 & K2O.I also set up my water, for which I have an analysis. I set this as the default water for the app.
Then I entered 10ml/G of each, as per the Remo schedule for week 6-8. I get this:
I must have done something right because my numbers pretty much match Shed's - 159-127-440. I'm showing plenty of CA from the Micro, at 94. Mg at 42 and S at 54, which isn't bad. Too muck K, though, as Shed mentioned. If I just drop the AstroFlower I get this:
This is 132-58-199 with 94 Ca, 42 Mg, and 28 S. As Mel said above, I may need to add some Epsom to bump up the S and I would be missing Zinc. This looks like a better formula for late flower, though.
@InTheShed let me know if it looks like I have this set up right. I'd love to hear any feedback you have. I'm having fun playing around with the app and can't wait to add PB, MC, and several other 'substances'.
Thanks! Then this all applies.
That would be my guess. If there were an easy way, flushing would be in order. Not sure you want to run that much top water through the SIP at this stage of the grow...
Can't recall why it took out the Candy but if the numbers look good with it in then it's all good!
You're doing something right for sure.
The only thing I wanted to point out about the 199 K might still be on the high side given how much is in the soil already, along with the info that was posted in this thread:
Effects Of Potassium On Cannabinoids
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The thread devolves into an argument about the value of science vs anecdote, but the first 5 posts are worth reading and then anything that @farside05 says.
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So I've been playing around with the new software today. I've entered my nutrients and can calculate my mix. Now the real question: What mix and I shooting for?
I've looked at the articles that @farside05 has put in his journals and others, and it looks like I should be shooting for a NPK ratio of 3:1:2 for the entire grow. Some other targets I'm finding:
- NPK of 3:1:2
- N ideal at 160-230
- P ideal at 40-80
- K ideal at 60-175
- The K:Ca:Mg ratio should be 4:2:1.
- Sulfer should be above 30-50PPM.
So, I'm looking for a N
:K:Ca:Mg ratio of 6:2:4:2:1, or around 180:60:120:60:30. The closest I can get with Remo is:
10ml Micro
10ml Grow
2ml Bloom
8ml Magnifical
5ml Natures Candy
10ml VeloKelp
Which gives me 164N : 55P : 186K : 94Ca : 49Mg : 54S, which should work well through flower. I'll start using this mix on Julie and see how she does.
Daisy is a little later in flower and does not need as much N. So for her:
2ml Astroflower
5ml Bloom
10ml Micro
10ml Natures Candy
10ml Velokelp
gives me 125N : 48P : 170K : 94Ca : 43Mg : 33S, which should work well in late flower.
For today, Daisy just got plain water. I'll try to flush some of the nutrients in her soil out. IF I start feeding her again, I'll use the late-flower above.
I've looked at the articles that @farside05 has put in his journals and others, and it looks like I should be shooting for a NPK ratio of 3:1:2 for the entire grow. Some other targets I'm finding:
- NPK of 3:1:2
- N ideal at 160-230
- P ideal at 40-80
- K ideal at 60-175
- The K:Ca:Mg ratio should be 4:2:1.
- Sulfer should be above 30-50PPM.
So, I'm looking for a N
:K:Ca:Mg ratio of 6:2:4:2:1, or around 180:60:120:60:30. The closest I can get with Remo is:10ml Micro
10ml Grow
2ml Bloom
8ml Magnifical
5ml Natures Candy
10ml VeloKelp
Which gives me 164N : 55P : 186K : 94Ca : 49Mg : 54S, which should work well through flower. I'll start using this mix on Julie and see how she does.
Daisy is a little later in flower and does not need as much N. So for her:
2ml Astroflower
5ml Bloom
10ml Micro
10ml Natures Candy
10ml Velokelp
gives me 125N : 48P : 170K : 94Ca : 43Mg : 33S, which should work well in late flower.
For today, Daisy just got plain water. I'll try to flush some of the nutrients in her soil out. IF I start feeding her again, I'll use the late-flower above.
Looking forward to seeing your results! 
RedskinnedRhino
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Bro, I'm following your lead. I got no experience with Remo and I'm in early flower, I'd cry if I sent her into a downward spiral right now with K toxicity. Between you and shed's analyzing, I think I'll get it dialed into something manageable.
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Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Remo Wk#1-4
Date: 7/13/23 Day# 44
Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Remo Wk#1-4
After seeing the issues with Daisy, I've been playing around with my new nutrient calculator program (I'm not supposed to mention the name). I'm using the Remo nutrients, putting the Grow back in the mix too. I was looking for something that would hit my targets that wasn't too difficult to mix. What I came up with for Julie in flower is very similar to the Remo schedule for the final week of veg. For flower, I'll be feeding Julie:
8ml each - Micro, Grow, VeloKelp, MagNifiCal, Nature's Candy
2ml - AstroFlower
When I went down to check on her this morning, I found a limb had broken off. Obviously the LST was a bit too tight.
I wired the limb to the middle and used grafting tape to tape up the wound. The branch was still growing, so I think it should make it.
It really ruined the canopy, though. So, I decided to supercrop that branch. I had to use some pliers to crush the stem, then used a LST trainer to bend the stem.
The stem ended up splitting some, so I wrapped it in grafting tape before putting the LST back on. That fixed that branch, but all of the inner branches were still sticking straight up. So I supercropped those as well, filling in any empty spaces.
In the end, not as bad a disaster as it could have been. I've checked the rest of the LST and I don't think any more are in danger. I have that branch propped in the corner for now.
After reading @RedskinnedRhino 's journal about having the same issue, I will need to re-think how I LST. Maybe it's time to go to weight-training like @Hafta
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Well that went from 0 to 100 quickly! Nice bending Budman. 
As The Fixx once sang, one thing leads to another!
Also, I'd be concerned about that 196ppm of N. That's higher than anyone running ratios, even folks who know that N is important during flower.
Also, I'd be concerned about that 196ppm of N. That's higher than anyone running ratios, even folks who know that N is important during flower.
Well I want to be able to calculate nutrients like Shed and LKA!
Just kidding! I’d rather stick a fork in my eye!
L O L L I N G !
Oh and when it comes to nutes and numbers, @farside05 is defs my Rainman.
You can take what he recommends to the Canna Bank. Well I think you can.
You can take what he recommends to the Canna Bank. Well I think you can.
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Thanks GDBWell that went from 0 to 100 quickly! Nice bending Budman.
So I'm going off of these targets:
- NPK of 3:1:2
- N ideal at 160-230
- P ideal at 40-80
- K ideal at 60-175
- The K:Ca:Mg ratio should be 4:2:1.
- Sulfer should be above 30-50PPM.
Do you think I should change these? Is 160-230N too high in flower? What targets do you use for different stages of the grow?
Standard remo flower wk#1-4 comes in at 190:101:352:120:34. My mix is not that much more N, just a lot less P & K.
Thanks Trala. Most of what I'm reading is from what farside has posted.
I believe you have that backwards, sorry I didn't catch it earlier.
2-1-3 would be better (I run 5-2-5 in veg and 5-2-6 in flower). I think @farside05 tops N at 150, as do I. And he's going to be experimenting with K at 100 based on the info posted in the thread I linked on potassium.
And I run based on the MC nitrogen targets in veg on the way up from sprout to flower, and in full flower I'm around 150-x-180 (whatever P happens to land at...I don't target it other than to keep it low). After farside's experiment we'll have an idea whether K needs to be at that 180 number or not.
All this is out the window on my SWICK because I'm just running PB week 4 veg until harvest. No crazy BigData numbers for me!
He likes his numbers lol.
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Alright, that actually makes it easier. Keeping N that high was tricky. For reference I ran 6g/G MC and this is what it shows:
I can get pretty close with Remo (with less P) as follows:
8ml - Micro, VeloKelp, Natures Candy
6ml - Bloom
4ml - Magnifical, Astroflower
.5g - Gypsom
This gives me:
This looks much more reasonable to me and seems to hit all the targets.
I like his numbers too, but not as much as I like his plants!
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