Let's Find a Mother! Hiking Through a Field of Mary Jane

in answer to your first Question. yes! but if you can get some human hair and spread it around that will help deter them
now as far as the rest. I loved Gilda Radner:)

I can definitely acquire hair. Mine goes nearly to my waist. :winkyface:

LOL, I have something that will deter them..........heat up the skillet..........fresh heart and liver, and leave a dead one hanging in the tree, they will get the point! My friends in the triangle have to fence everything.....I'm talkin 10 foot fences! They call them mountain rats and I have never seen anything they like better than weed!

Damn. You guys aren't making me very optimistic. Fencing might be counterproductive towards the goal of stealth, but then again, I am putting them in out of the way spots. We'll see. I'll certainly keep it in mind, but I'd rather try other measures first. I'm thinking scent based deterrents might be the best option. What eats deer, besides me? Maybe I can get some cougar urine. Here kitty kitty! :rofl:

I'll go put a bunch of hair around them today. :hippy:
 
dehumidifiers dont leak air unless they have a condensor exhaust hose. which i've never seen. they do add a small amount of heat to the air. regular a/c units actually dehumidify the air. the slower the fan speed the more moisture they remove.:)

hope this helps


:Namaste:

Thanks Ronnie. If you have time, can you take a look at my other question a couple posts back?
I was curious what you thought about pointing my AC exhaust right at the basement exhaust.

I'm gonna take a picture and post it to show what I'm describing. They are right next to each other, but I have the basement exhaust fan's intake pointing away from the AC's exhaust. LOL gets confusing when I talk about the exhaust fan's intake and exhaust huh? :rofl:
 
Can you post some links so I can understand this DIY AC?

If I understand correctly, you're asking if you can use your chiller to cool the airspace. First off, I've never used a chiller. Hopefully I won't need one after I get the mini split. The AC exhaust is making my basement warm, so now my res is creeping into the 70's. I started adding frozen 2L bottles, and so far it's been fine. It also cooled off a little. Once I get the mini split though, I shouldn't have res temp issues.

Unfortunately, having no experience with chillers, I'm not sure if what you're proposing will work. I'm not 100% sure I even understand what your idea is. :blalol:

If I AM understanding correctly, you're basically proposing a sort of hybrid swamp cooler type of cooling. You're going to use the chiller to cool water that you use to cool the air and the CO2 gens. It could work. Ronnie probably knows better than me, but my instincts worry about the inefficiencies that occur in these energy transfers, ie thermodynamics.

Let's think about the energy that's moving around. You're generating heat energy as a byproduct of your light generation. That's the energy you're trying to remove from the CGE (Yes, that is the right acronym. Controlled Grow Environment I think it means). This heat energy will be transferred into the water. Then the chiller will remove the heat energy from the water, but adds heat to the air around itself. Also, keep in mind that it will be adding MORE heat than it's removing from the CGE. It also consumes it's own power, so that energy is also turned into more heat.

So here is the real question... How much energy does that heat represent? Perhaps we can measure in BTU and then compare that to the BTU rating of the chiller. If the chiller is rated to remove more energy than you're putting into the system (CGE), then you should be OK. If not, you're gonna need other cooling.

Of course, it's very likely I'm completely misunderstanding your question. In that case, as Roseanne Roseannadanna would say...

Nevermind :)

hiker you have the concept down:) great logical thinking and yes btu's will tell you all. +reps bro

Good to know about sizing chillers. Thanks for that.
And I agree... the rolling grow lab will be awesome.

Hey Ronnie, I came onto the forums specifically to run a question by you, or anyone else that has thoughts actually.

I was just in the basement thinking about my temps and ventilation. I currently have the AC exhausting into the main basement. I then have my S&P TDS-200 exhausting the basement. While it's a good fan (VERY quiet), it can't move enough air to keep the whole basement cool. If it could move enough air up the chimney on it's own to remove all the heat the lights are creating, I wouldn't have needed the AC.

So I was down there studying their relative physical locations. The way I have the AC exhaust and S&P intake directed, it's not removing the heat very efficiently. Since they both have a short amount of flexible ducting at the ends, I started playing with directing the airflows towards each other. I had the idea of directing the AC exhaust right at the intake of the other fan to help it remove more of the heat. Then the idea evolved into wondering what would happen if I just connected the two?

So that's my question... What if I duct my AC exhaust right into the basement exhaust fan's intake? If I re-position the S&P fan, the AC exhaust will point right into it. Is this a bad idea? Would it be better to have it 'sealed' or ducted into each other, or should I just have the AC exhaust pointing towards the other's intake?


ok so the best way is to duct the two together, the only trick is that your exhaust fan has to have enough CFM to not cause back pressure in the a/c unit. if your a/c blower has more CFM than your exhaust fan it will cause back pressure and will not allow enough air through condensor. what will happen is your head pressure will rise and will either loose alot of capacity or compressor will shut off on high pressure sensor before it reaches temp.

i would duct the two together and monitor the a/c operation. if it runs for 15 or less and you hear the compressor shut off before it reaches set point that you need more CFM on the exhaust. if compressor stays running monitor temps to see how the a/c is working . check things like does it ever reach setpoint or is it operating as before.

i think its a great idea, your just moving the heat further and to a more acceptable area.

hope this helps

:Namaste:
 
Stopping by checking out the grow. Looking good. I'm OCD with you bro. Very bad I say.

I've been reading about the post on portable AC units. There's no enclosed units heat will have to be misplaced that goes for anything running on electricity. But you can always modify and make heat boxes from little plastic tots. They work perfect. Little modification goes a long way. Only concern I would have with portable AC will be the wattage. But 8,000 BTU using 1500w isn't so bad. I would rather go with less humidity in my grow area because it adds to the heat temp. So I guess that's why most portable AC comes with a dehumidifier built in as well.

Check out my DIY water Chiller for hydro works perfect to the T if anyone has water temps issues
 
Thanks Ronnie

My big exhaust fan has a speed controller connected to it, so I should be able to adjust it to match up with the AC exhaust.

To be clear, you're warning me to make sure my exhaust fan moves at least as much, or more, air than the AC's blower, right?

Here is the photo of the area.
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That little stub of flex duct on the right is the AC's exhaust. You can see the S&P on the left.

The idea is to just re-position the S&P so the AC's exhaust goes right into it. This picture doesn't show it, but the AC's exhaust is not 8". That hole is from when I was just venting the room. On the inside of the wall, the AC's exhaust is mounted to a much smaller hole. 5" I think. If I don't actually connect them, instead just have the AC's exhaust pointing into the S&P's intake, I think it will achieve most of what I'm trying to do, with the bonus of not creating a back pressure inside the AC. Any thoughts?

My biggest concern about ducting them together properly is that I suck too hard on the AC's exhaust and pull more air out of the flowering room, actually making the leak worse. I never did attach a booster to the intake. I'm reluctant to put too much more energy into making the portable work better since it will be going away asap.

I'm going to try and make the change tonight, but I already have a couple other tasks planned for this evening.

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Thanks Wiz!

I think I saw your chiller, but I'm going to go look at it again. Swapping out frozen bottles isn't a lot of work or anything, but it is tedious to always have to remember to check every few hours. Your idea could be a better solution until I can get the mini split. Changing my ducting as discussed might also resolve the res temp issue as it should cool the basement itself.

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Wednesday is update day, so...

I checked on the outdoor ladies yesterday, and they look fine. So far nothing has feasted on them. A cage to protect them probably isn't an option, but I did, and will each time, pee around them and put some hair around the plants (Hope it works Fishy!).

Here is what they looked like after being transplanted. I didn't intend to put them into the same hole, but the handle on my tool broke while I was digging. I didn't want to try and dig a second hole with no tools, so I did my best to enlarge the first hole and they are gonna share it.
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Yes. There are actually 2 plants there. When I checked them yesterday, I put a stick between them to point them away from each other. They aren't as close as they look. Each plant is ~10" tall and wide. They are dense little bushes. I hope they make it. I'd love to see what they do outside. It's not even about the smoke. I just want to try growing under the giant HPS. :blalol:

The ladies downstairs are doing great. Today is day 10 since flip. AFAICT they are all showing some pistils, but I think most, or perhaps all, were already showing sexual maturity. I didn't use GLR this round, so they are definitely taking longer to make the transition to flowering.

This is a couple days ago. The ones to the left are still recovering from their defol. They all got a heavier dose this round as I sort of went through them all twice.
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I'm real happy about how full the room is. I'm actually a little worried it's too full, but when I do the 3 week defol, it should be fine as I'll be removing a lot more of the bottom branches that aren't going to do anything.

A milestone was reached last night. Up until then, I had been forcing the plants to grow horizontally and discouraged any vertical growth. I've stopped doing that. I finally started raising the lights last night! :slide: From here on, I'll no longer be training them other then supporting any branches that start to sag later.

I removed all the wire holding the branches down. I've found that the branches mostly hold their shape after you lock them in place for a couple days, but by releasing them, it will bring the branches back towards the center. This will make the plants' footprints a little smaller and should also help with the crowding. The canopy is fairly even considering the wide variety of strains I'm growing.

Tonight I will be rearranging all the plants to create a stadium sort of effect. I had noticed that the plants at the ends of the room were stretching more than the ones in the middle, so the last time I shuffled them around, I put the large ones in the middle to try and get the smaller plants to stretch a little. I don't think it was as successful as I hoped. It helped, but because I am training them so much, I kind of negated much of the effect. :blalol: Tonight I will be arranging them so the largest plants are on the ends and the shortest are in the center. This should also help spread the light better.

Not a lot else is going. I'll do a little more defoliation in another week or so. I've still been removing some leaves when they are in the way, but I prefer to defol in waves. Other than that, they are entering a period where I don't have to do as much to them. I keep thinking it will mean I'm less busy. :loopy: :rofl:

I have plenty to do during this phase. I'm still working on my 'paperwork' and making preparations to try out the farmer's market. I'm still hoping to be there the last weekend of June, but that's starting to look a little less certain. I'm waiting on someone else and they are dragging their feet getting me the records I need. Anyway, so when one area in my life settles down, something else is sure to pickup the slack! LOL


This week I'm going to do another PSA...
Kids, when you're told not to use isopropyl alcohol on acrylic bongs, listen! The problem isn't the alcohol itself, but the small amount acetone that remains from the manufacturing process. The acetone will "craze", or crack, the plastic.

Eventually, it will leak.

If you're broke from spending all your money on your basement, you're gonna end up with this...

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It aint pretty folks! Just say no to alcohol! :cheertwo:


As my parting thought, I'm just going to share that I'm feeling a little down. I found out yesterday that my neighbor died in a car accident Saturday night. Nobody noticed the trucked rolled off the road until Sunday morning. I knew something was up when all the cars started showing up on Sunday morning. They like to entertain, so we thought maybe it was a Father's Day party. When there were still cars coming and going all day and again Monday, I suspect a death in the family. They have an elderly parent that spends summers with them, so I assumed he had passed. I had heard about the car accident Sunday, but the details I knew at the time made me think it was unrelated. My neighbor, his uncle, and his nephew, were driving back towards town when they failed to negotiate a turn and hit a tree. The older passengers died instantly, but the younger boy was trapped in the truck for several hours.

I'm going to miss my neighbor. He was a really nice guy. A true 'good soul' if you know what I mean. I feel terrible for his family (wife and four kids). In the year and a half we've lived here, I've only met and spoke to the wife once, so I don't feel quite the same bond with her. My wife and I are both unsure about going over there yet. I want to give them a little time with family and closer friends before we pay our respects.

I didn't plan it, but this also ties into the PSA from above. According to the survivor of the crash, the 2 men had been drinking. Just say no to alcohol people! :peace:

Anyway, not that this has anything to do with my grow, but It's weighing heavy on my heart and mind. I just needed to get it out. Thanks for listening.

:Namaste:
 
Damn Bro.
sorry about the shovel breaking, your bong getting broke(nice Patch) and last but not least the loss of your neighbor!:rip::sorry:
thats about all I got aside from your grow looks great
 
I was also thinking of doing a stadium effect or stair case effect and have all lights at an angle so there wouldnt be any light going to waste. I thought it would be most effective in that since but havent figured a away since im running hydro now?

I actually found a video that leads to what I think your talking about with using a chiller to cool the room and light hoods. Looks difficult to set up though. I was trying to find one with a heat box built in but I cant find it. I think it will work in your favor just to draw all heat to a built box and contain it. I may be reaching but Im trying :)

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Hiker, deer and rabbits LOVE weed. Beware beware beware!!!

When I was a kid trying to grow my first plants I took my two little plants both about 1 foot tall and took them off into the hills to grow inconspicuously. Well the next day I come out to look at them and see how they are doing. I come up to them and see a little rabbit hopping away and all that was left was two, 1 foot tall stems with no a single leaf left lol.

In the night little rabbits (and deer probably too) cleaned two entire plants down to the stem. Leaving not a single leaf :/

Beware of the furry bastards, they may be cute but they are evil nonetheless.
 
Damn Bro.
sorry about the shovel breaking, your bong getting broke(nice Patch) and last but not least the loss of your neighbor!:rip::sorry:
thats about all I got aside from your grow looks great

Thanks Fishomatic

There isn't a lot to say is there? so I'll just say... thanks :Namaste:


fyi, the bong has been in slow decay for months. When I grew in the 90's I rewarded myself for each harvest by buying a new glass bong with the proceeds. So far, no proceeds, so no new bong. Soon I hope! I've decided to get a cape this round though. As ugly as that thing is, it works fine. I'll probably not get a glass bong since the basement has too much concrete. Maybe I can make one out of something indestructable. :blalol:

I was also thinking of doing a stadium effect or stair case effect and have all lights at an angle so there wouldnt be any light going to waste. I thought it would be most effective in that since but havent figured a away since im running hydro now?

I actually found a video that leads to what I think your talking about with using a chiller to cool the room and light hoods. Looks difficult to set up though. I was trying to find one with a heat box built in but I cant find it. I think it will work in your favor just to draw all heat to a built box and contain it. I may be reaching but Im trying :)

I think you might be mixing up my response to Sl1ngblade and the question about my setup. I don't own a chiller and doubt I'll get one anytime soon, if ever. My basement isn't that hot, but the portable AC is exhausting into it, so now it's warming up.

If you look at that first pic, you can sort of see what I need to do. I'm going to have the AC dumping right into that big fan on the left. I just need to reposition stuff. I was just down there with a measuring tape and it's gonna be tricky. Won't happen tonight as I want to mull over ideas for a day or two before implementing anything. Conditions are still within spec, but it got close to that limit when we had a heat wave last week. I'm worried what August will be like. I'm sure next week's update will include something about this change. :)

Hiker, deer and rabbits LOVE weed. Beware beware beware!!!

When I was a kid trying to grow my first plants I took my two little plants both about 1 foot tall and took them off into the hills to grow inconspicuously. Well the next day I come out to look at them and see how they are doing. I come up to them and see a little rabbit hopping away and all that was left was two, 1 foot tall stems with no a single leaf left lol.

In the night little rabbits (and deer probably too) cleaned two entire plants down to the stem. Leaving not a single leaf :/

Beware of the furry bastards, they may be cute but they are evil nonetheless.

Damn. Thanks, but damn...

They were still unmolested yesterday, but maybe they haven't been found yet. I guess I better see about getting some chicken wire and build some cages for these ladies.

Can I eventually remove the cage after they reach a certain size, or do they need to flower behind some sort of barrier?

Now I'm wondering if it's pointless. How do people do guerrilla grows then? Aren't there rabbits and deer everywhere? lol
 
Well where I put them it was a very dry area. So that possibly made it even more tempting as it was the only green moist leaves to munch on, everything around it was dry. If there is other green stuff around it might not be targeted so severely.

People use stuff like lion or tiger pee to deter deers. Even human pee works to a lesser extent. Dont use it on the plant you just use it around the area. Cages work and you never have to remove them. The plant just eventually grows through it. There is other types of deterrents besides tiger piss too, im just not sure how well they work or what they all are.
 
get you a piece of Bamboo
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I have had that since 1983:)
 
Well where I put them it was a very dry area. So that possibly made it even more tempting as it was the only green moist leaves to munch on, everything around it was dry. If there is other green stuff around it might not be targeted so severely.

People use stuff like lion or tiger pee to deter deers. Even human pee works to a lesser extent. Dont use it on the plant you just use it around the area. Cages work and you never have to remove them. The plant just eventually grows through it. There is other types of deterrents besides tiger piss too, im just not sure how well they work or what they all are.

Deer are a big problem here. I'll just go ask the nursery if they have anything for my flower beds. :winkyface:

get you a piece of Bamboo
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I have had that since 1983:)

I've used one of those! :)

I'm happy to make them, but finding the little metal bits are tough in this "age of glass" we live in today. I like funnel bowls that pull out of a larger stem. Makes the water dirtier faster, but I'm changing it every other day anyway, so who cares. I like to "snap" bowls. :winkyface:

I've made several forays into the interwebs trying to procure the pieces needs to make a bong, and I've never found a place with all the bits. I can reuse the bowl on the plastic bong, but the stem is plastic. Maybe I can just get a piece of aluminum tubing that will work. Hopefully I can also reuse the grommet on this acrylic one.

I'll keep an eye out for some bamboo though. :)
 
Deer are a big problem here. I'll just go ask the nursery if they have anything for my flower beds. :winkyface:



I've used one of those! :)

I'm happy to make them, but finding the little metal bits are tough in this "age of glass" we live in today. I like funnel bowls that pull out of a larger stem. Makes the water dirtier faster, but I'm changing it every other day anyway, so who cares. I like to "snap" bowls. :winkyface:

I've made several forays into the interwebs trying to procure the pieces needs to make a bong, and I've never found a place with all the bits. I can reuse the bowl on the plastic bong, but the stem is plastic. Maybe I can just get a piece of aluminum tubing that will work. Hopefully I can also reuse the grommet on this acrylic one.

I'll keep an eye out for some bamboo though. :)

the same guts I have for my ceramic Graffix bong will slide in that bong:)
Bamboo is where its at. Hell Cheech and Chong Named a record after it:)
 
yeah bamboo bongs, using a bamboo downstem with a bowl made out of something like marble. Now thats a good bong :).

One thing that is also cool is rolling cigars of weed using weed leaves as the wrapper. I seen a instruction book on it before but never done it.

This year I got plenty of massive leaves on the purple kush, so perhaps ill try rolling some like that :).
 
yes , main thing is not to reduce air flow through the condenser of the a/c. just pointing the ends at each other will cause some heat to remain in the basement. I would try ducting the two together first. if that works mostly all the heat will be removed to the outside where you want it. if it doesnt work you can disconnect it and point it at each other and deal with a smaller amount of heat being released into the basement.:)

great update. awesome job breaking it all down for us. love your way of thinking things through.


:Namaste:
 
i have has success with using stainless steel sockets or the hardened titanium steel, a dremel and some nice soapstone will make a nice bowl! avoid aluminium its toxic and can be absorbed thru any contact,also we keep for life all the aluminium we aquire our bodies cant expell it so it settles in fatty tissue, if you lose a bunch of weight it moves to the next fatty thing it finds like our brains!,not good!glass is the most benign thing to use, i have this great little metal pipe i love to use but i dont use it much,it has a painted aluminium exterior, lol i once made a hooka out of a green gallon wine jug had 4 hoses and fit a 1/4 ozmade the bowl woth a socket and old metal window screen, we called it the green behemoth great party item,i miss being a teenager:thumb: good times
 
i have has success with using stainless steel sockets or the hardened titanium steel, a dremel and some nice soapstone will make a nice bowl! avoid aluminium its toxic and can be absorbed thru any contact,also we keep for life all the aluminium we aquire our bodies cant expell it so it settles in fatty tissue, if you lose a bunch of weight it moves to the next fatty thing it finds like our brains!,not good!glass is the most benign thing to use, i have this great little metal pipe i love to use but i dont use it much,it has a painted aluminium exterior, lol i once made a hooka out of a green gallon wine jug had 4 hoses and fit a 1/4 ozmade the bowl woth a socket and old metal window screen, we called it the green behemoth great party item,i miss being a teenager:thumb: good times

Shoot, wtf are little one bats made of? Seriously a glass one bat makes me feel like a crack head but aluminum poison sounds worse.
 
If you are going to make a bowl out of something silver is a good choice.

I have a $3000 gold bowl for laughs from the 1800s :)

But silver is a naturally anti bacterial.


But honestly glass or certain types of wood are good as well for a bowl.
 
People use stuff like lion or tiger pee to deter deers. Even human pee works to a lesser extent. Dont use it on the plant you just use it around the area. Cages work and you never have to remove them. The plant just eventually grows through it. There is other types of deterrents besides tiger piss too, im just not sure how well they work or what they all are.
I live in a high population area of deer and other MJ eating critters.Jimminy has the right idea.Just pee all around your plants every time you can.It works!
 
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