Landrace Genetics 101

Pennywise said:
I’d love some old school Hawaiian beans
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Well our member is reverting his Maui Wowie females for pollination and he still has a couple of these 40 yr old seeds to score a male on the off chance, so maybe we'll be able to grow it. His hybrid pheno actually proves that was indeed a cross between Sinaloan sativa and Afghani plant, which is the most credible version I read about.
 
Pennywise said:
Wow, I would have thought Thai would have been a big part of it.
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I posted a scan from the book on The Brotherhood of Eternal Love many pages back as BOEL members saw it and they took a load of high quality Mexi from a Sinaloan kingpin, sailed with it to Maui and later crossed it to their Afghani stock that they got from their hash supplier. We'll find more after OTM sends his sample to Phylos, but what he gets is a perfect hybrid of both.
 
conradino23 said:
"Heirloom And Landrace Cannabis Strains"

by Rick Pfrommer, Director of Education, Harborside Health Center

Original landrace and other heirloom strains are often lost in today's hyperkinetic world of breeding. 'Landrace' refers to strains that are indigenous to an area, such as Red Congolese. 'Heirlooms' are strains that were collected worldwide during the 1970s and propagated in Hawaii and Northern California. Our constant desire for new strains leads breeders to continually cross and re-cross existing strains looking for the next big thing. There is, however, a small but growing contingent of cultivators who're returning to our cannabis roots and propagating old landrace and heirloom strains. Varieties range from pure African sativas to Afghani indicas, collected by world travelers on the infamous Hippie Trail (also referred to as the "Hashish Trail").

All during the 1970s and early 1980s, cannabis aficionados of all stripes traveled the world smoking the finest cannabis and hashish available. From Nepalese temple balls to the famed Mazar-i-Sharif Afghani Black, the Hashish Trail was filled with exotic delights. The trail rolls on through Lebanese Red to Moroccan Kif, with stops in Bangkok for Chocolate Thai, and Columbia and Mexico for their infamous golden strains. Many of these intrepid souls also collected seeds during their travels. It was these landrace strains that became the basis for the nascent cultivation culture that eventually sprang forth in both Hawaii and Northern California.

Talk with any cannabis connoisseur old enough to remember these legendary strains and you'll come away with tales of their epic strength. Equatorial sativas from Africa to Vietnam flourished in Hawaii's tropical dreamscape of cannabis cultivation. Indicas from Afghanistan were more at home in Northern California's cooler climate. I was fortunate enough to live on the Big Island of Hawaii from 1993 to 1997, and I can attest that the best cannabis I have EVER smoked was grown in volcanic soil on the slopes of the largest active volcano in the world, Mauna Loa. By the time I got there almost everything grown in Hawaii was some combination of genetics, no longer a landrace. Yet a few of the old-timers still had access to the classic '70s strains, making for a wonderfully unique and diverse smoking experience.

From Nepalese temple balls to the famed Mazar-i-Sharif Afghani Black, the Hashish Trail was filled with exotic delights.

The scene in California at this time was slightly different. Northern California, as beautiful as it is, ain't Hawaii. The Emerald Triangle rests approximately on the same parallel as Afghanistan and the Hindu Kush mountains. While Southern Californians could grow Columbian and Mexican sativas, their northern counterparts found the stocky indica plants much better adapted for their climate. Shorter flowering time allowed harvest to occur before the fall rains came with their mold-inducing downpours. These short and chunky plants produced the infamous skunkweed that became Northern California's calling card. Again, anyone old enough to remember this cannabis will never forget the pungent, almost rancid, skunk-like aroma. I remember going to parties in the early '80s with this herb double-bagged-and still being outed minutes after walking in. "Yo man, I know you're holding, share the love!" Our own Steve DeAngelo also has memories of this era, saying that to this day he's not seen cannabis like what he saw from Northen California in the late '70s and early '80s.

So what does all this nostalgia mean for modern patients and cannabis aficionados? Well, several breeders have also recognized the value in these old-school strains. Ace Seeds, CannaBioGenn, Reeferman Seeds and Tom Hill, as well as the one-and-only Neville, are all selling a wide variety of landrace and heirloom seeds. Look for some of these to be available at Harborside in the near future. Growers who're looking for ways to stay ahead of the curve in an increasingly competitive environment are turning to these varieties. For patients, many of these strains offer powerful relief in a different fashion than some of the more modern varietals. It's not that they're necessarily better, just different, and perhaps more effective for some patients' specific conditions or needs. In any case, they're strains definitely worth checking out.
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Holy hell! This is an amazing history lesson! It is amazing how far we come only to realize what we had all along was perfect. Thanks for the post!!
 
brightlight said:
Real deal legit Hawaiian strains & landraces favored by many but so rare today.....now offered by local breeders. Pua Mana Ohana offering Maui Wowie, Kona Gold, Puna Budazz, Kauai Electric, & lots more. Decades old genetic lines preserved by underground island breeders/growers. Lived a few years there for surfing long ago & quality over there was way beyond what is called Hawaiian nowadays. Much of what's called Hawaiian today on mainland is watered down or even fake. Da kine pakalolo! :Namaste:
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I liked the sound of the Koalua ranch - Hawaii '78 - nice share
 
Pennywise said:
I hit a branch on my Malawi with Alaskan Thunder Fuck.
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That sounds like an amazingly psychadelic cross. ATF is known for stoniness, but I've seen people nearly hallucinate on it too.

conradino23 said:
If you catch the right pheno, it can be deadly. It gets to 24-27% in these tiny trichs. I think I loved the smell even better than the smoke. Pungent jasmine oil incensey kind of stuff and really psychedelic sweaty high when you hit your bong :laugh:
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I some of the Panama x Malawi limited edition that ACE did and from what I've seen, one of them had a lot more Malawi influence, but I'm still not getting much psycadelic-ness off it. Mostly just feel really happy from it. But the smell/flavor is crazy, I don't even know how to describe it. I'm gonna have to go smell some jasmine oil and see if that's it haha

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Weaselcracker said:
I recently grew out three Golden Tiger regs, all turned out female and all were very similar to each other.
This latest batch of GT is quite unlike the GT I grew a couple years ago and was so enamoured with (and still am). That GT was my favourite smoke ever and I'm trying to find it again. This latest round was much more Malawi influenced.



It looks almost the same as Malawi and the high is more Malawi-like too- more speedy and busy. I like Malawi a lot too but sometimes I wish I could smoke larger amounts of it without going ballistic.
The GT I grew last time grew a large single cola that smelled like Thai- had a mellower Thai-influenced high than this last round of GT. It really hit the sweet spot for me as the perfect cannabis high. :drool:
I read on another forum, where Ace has a member, that they'd reworked the GT and worked a little more Malawi into the equation. That must have been outdated info I don't know. Because on Ace's latest GT promo they say the exact opposite- that they reworked the GT in 2014 to put more Thai into the equation. :hmmmm:
Anyway- hopefully that blend that I liked so much is still at large. Do any of you know the GT I mean?


The buds in those pics were pollinated with a Honduras male, hence all the seeds.

And- while I'm on here blathering- here are a few pics of the Honduras. :) Supposedly a pure sativa landrace according to the Ace site. *



I don't know if any of you will remember but many moons ago on this thread we discussed trying to find some 'weak weed'. The sort that a person could enjoy smoking cigars of all day and still function. The guys at Ace recommended Honduras- so I got some seeds and grew out a few. It's a lovely plant- has a wonderful lemony-pine smell and large foxtaily buds. I still don't like the high as much as I expected- seems to have some indica effects- but I'm going to give it another try or two now that it's been curing longer.

Seems like I just keep gravitating back to Thai and Thai crosses...

Cheers landrace lovers :passitleft: Hope everyone is well.

* re-reading the Ace info about Honduras it looks like it would be worth planting more of those seeds in the hopes of a different pheno, sounds like I might find some with a high that I like better.
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So not to sound like shameless bragging, but ACE had a limited edition sale of Golden Tiger F1 seeds they found in their freezer that I grabbed. I've still been waiting to pop them and see what I get.
 
Someone told me years back that they figured a good bit of why Hawaiian-grown cannabis was of high quality... was because of the combination of environmental conditions found there (climate, soil composition, et cetera). This was back in the '80s, maybe '84 or '85, when there were a lot less people growing cannabis indoors.

This was just one person's opinion, of course. And one assumes that even the best of environmental conditions can only do so much - IOW, there must have been a good level of quality in those strains. But I did find myself wondering, if someone took a local (to my area) strain to HI and grew it out(side), would it seem to be better than what was being harvested in my neck of the woods.

DISCLAIMER: I've only knowingly smoked bud from Hawaii once (same time frame). IIRC, it was pretty good ;) .
 
TorturedSoul said:
Someone told me years back that they figured a good bit of why Hawaiian-grown cannabis was of high quality... was because of the combination of environmental conditions found there (climate, soil composition, et cetera). This was back in the '80s, maybe '84 or '85, when there were a lot less people growing cannabis indoors.

This was just one person's opinion, of course. And one assumes that even the best of environmental conditions can only do so much - IOW, there must have been a good level of quality in those strains. But I did find myself wondering, if someone took a local (to my area) strain to HI and grew it out(side), would it seem to be better than what was being harvested in my neck of the woods.

DISCLAIMER: I've only knowingly smoked bud from Hawaii once (same time frame). IIRC, it was pretty good ;) .
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The Hawaiian islands were created by volcanic activity, which means the soil there should be highly mineralized, so it stands to reason that the naturally grown cannabis would be high brix.
 
Pennywise said:
Gorgeous Sativas, where'd the genetics come from?
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DT - Durban Poison x Acapulco Gold x C99 (male) - courtesy of Snow High seeds - if you wanna read about him and all his genetics, check out Firestax and there's a blog over there he posted all the info there on most all of his seeds and lineage.

I actually got tired of growing all these watered down 3' tall hybrids so I wanted to check out some landrace genetics to see what the difference was... yeah 2-3 times the size of plants (and yields).
 
brightlight said:
Real deal legit Hawaiian strains & landraces favored by many but so rare today.....now offered by local breeders. Pua Mana Ohana offering Maui Wowie, Kona Gold, Puna Budazz, Kauai Electric, & lots more. Decades old genetic lines preserved by underground island breeders/growers. Lived a few years there for surfing long ago & quality over there was way beyond what is called Hawaiian nowadays. Much of what's called Hawaiian today on mainland is watered down or even fake. Da kine pakalolo! :Namaste:
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There ya go... Hawaiian was the first REAL sensimilla we got back in the early to mid 70s.... was getting Columbian Red for $40 a zip then the HI stuff was like $90 with no seeds.... boom night and day difference. Was spoiled until we got Thai Sticks... hahahahaha. Stuff we grow today tho... we only dreamed about back then.

Pua Mana Ohana... real deal been storing up some of those beens and the prices are pretty good but you gotta pay attention, the goodies sell out fast.

Thanks BL... there's some goodies there! There's a sale going now.. I just ordered 2 packs of Maui Wowi 45% off... boom thanks again BL.

They have some killer genetics even some of the pre-orders are sold out.


T-soul said:
This was just one person's opinion, of course. And one assumes that even the best of environmental conditions can only do so much...
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Genetics are 99.5% ...the .05% has to be worked on for generations to become part of the genetics (small part).

Lipstick on a pig = still a pig, just sayin. Same thing with genetics.

If environment played any significant role in genetics..... hard to say what the world would look like in say a few years.

It takes many many many generations for environmental conditions to change or affect genetics. The cool thing, it's been happening in Hawaii for many thousands of years. Likely cannabis is part of that... Hawaiians have been known to travel by boat to far away places.
 
Well - it's only 25% off now... but hey, I just pulled the trigger! I'm super excited, my first pure Sativa and Landrace (well I have some that a friend bred using golden tiger, but it's not pure...). Thanks again BL for the tip - got 10 Maui Wowie beans coming my way :slide:
PW is right the '78 looks nice, but it was just a little more costly, and I have to factor in the exchange rate. Cool thing is a company I've been having a little dispute with deposited 100buckaroos in my account yesterday, something they'd said they wouldn't do. I was at the site, dreaming and fantasising and thought I'd just check my bank, and voila - dollars for beans!

So funny - I've been promising myself I would wait and see how long my enclosure hold the sun this season before pulling the trigger on anything - but you know, sometimes you just gotta go!!! :party:
 
Amy Gardner said:
Well - it’s only 25% off now... but hey, I just pulled the trigger! I’m super excited, my first pure Sativa and Landrace (well I have some that a friend bred using golden tiger, but it’s not pure...). Thanks again BL for the tip - got 10 Maui Wowie beans coming my way :slide:
PW is right the ‘78 looks nice, but it was just a little more costly, and I have to factor in the exchange rate. Cool thing is a company I’ve been having a little dispute with deposited 100buckaroos in my account yesterday, something they’d said they wouldn’t do. I was at the site, dreaming and fantasising and thought I’d just check my bank, and voila - dollars for beans!

So funny - I’ve been promising myself I would wait and see how long my enclosure hold the sun this season before pulling the trigger on anything - but you know, sometimes you just gotta go!!! :party:
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Yeah, but that way lies seed obsession disorder. :straightface:

As the House of the Rising Sun lyric goes ... "believe me, I'm one" .

:Namaste:
 
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