Blurple? Is that an LED array? I use T-8 6500k floro and HID/MH 400 watt bulbs indoors. But they are for germinating, cloning, finishing and over-wintering. I do most of my growing in a GH or outdoors. Of course I am also in one of the Legal States of America.
Landrace Genetics 101
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Blurple? Is that an LED array? I use T-8 6500k floro and HID/MH 400 watt bulbs indoors. But they are for germinating, cloning, finishing and over-wintering. I do most of my growing in a GH or outdoors. Of course I am also in one of the Legal States of America.
Its a cheap led panel i bought when i first started growing. Hopefully soon ill have Bedroom Farmer build me a 520w quantum board led for flowering then ill use my PS 1000 for vegging.
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This is great! Something i can make 100 times over. Thank you
Make? No no no no, you have to BUY my specially designed breeding kit for $25 plus shipping! It includes enough material for 3 male breeders! With complete instructions! And a certificate of authenticity, signed by me! Used by professional breeders worldwide! And if you buy 2 kits, the second one is 10% off! But only if you buy it TODAY!
Moderators take note: I do not actually sell these kits, this is a JOKE!
There are tons of cheap-o LED lights out there now. They claim that 10 watts can get you 100 watts worth of light! Funny thing is that my watts/sq m. meter says otherwise.
My PS1000 is 540w at the wall, and the quantum board Bedroom Farmer is going to build me is 520w at the wall with full spectrum.
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Conradino23
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Yeah a rule of the thumb here would be around 30% of dwarfy phenos (this release particularly) that should be culled. Sometimes I'm tempted and I grow them, but they never amount to anything. This is an example of inbreeding depression even if good phenos are just good you know
Funny thing I read is that inbreeding depression in plants might be overcome after F8, which means seeds are hybridised in Lebanon on a regular basis (simple conclusion) or the whole theory is wrong.
The line looks like a genuine landrace though, easily cracked High Brix (root system is not used to high salt feeding, but to working with mycorrhizae), great reaction to sunlight and very original structure with these long leaves that don't really resemble any existing hybrid. They get floppy in the heat, but plant is more than fine
I just hope they really make for good hash. I'd like something better than my Pakistani that was A+ and had a classic burnt rubber taste, but was slightly too narcotic and flat for me... you know just a tad better
I noticed my lebs seemed to droop then perk up then droop. My temps have been high at times this summer, that explains why. i wont continue the dwarf line, just hoping at least 1 of the indica leaners is a male.
Yeah a rule of the thumb here would be around 30% of dwarfy phenos (this release particularly) that should be culled. Sometimes I'm tempted and I grow them, but they never amount to anything. This is an example of inbreeding depression even if good phenos are just good you know
Funny thing I read is that inbreeding depression in plants might be overcome after F8, which means seeds are hybridised in Lebanon on a regular basis (simple conclusion) or the whole theory is wrong.
The line looks like a genuine landrace though, easily cracked High Brix (root system is not used to high salt feeding, but to working with mycorrhizae), great reaction to sunlight and very original structure with these long leaves that don't really resemble any existing hybrid. They get floppy in the heat, but plant is more than fine
I just hope they really make for good hash. I'd like something better than my Pakistani that was A+ and had a classic burnt rubber taste, but was slightly too narcotic and flat for me... you know just a tad better
I do not have any of the dwarf Lebbies in my harem here. Even the early bloomer Swiss sativa pheno. These are from older seeds tho. Reeferman says that they get dwarfy from inbreeding. ??? I smoked a bowl of dried male flowers (RSC sativa pheno) earlier this afternoon and the flavor is a nice mix of vanilla and lemon. Very smooth. Short lived male high, but a good one. Not trippy, more dreamy and a body loosening feel to it. Yes, a good mellow high. I am saving my spent male flowers, and freezing this pollen.
The RSC indica phenos are as you describe; long narrow leaves that droop in the heat. Mine is getting too BIG though. This heat is really driving them to grow grow grow. I hope they shift to bloom phase soon. The RSC sativa pheno is getting sparkly now. Resins a popp'in. I like the early bloom to get me into the mood for the late summer bloom here. Usually this time of year I am waiting around for the gals to bloom. Or forcing them with with 11 hours of light dep 5 or 6 nights in the light proof shed. If they do not pop by the end of the month I will do that to force them into flower.
Was reading online that supposedly the hashish flavor is a new terpene, dubbed "hashishene" , which is an oxidized form of beta-myrcene generated under ultra violet light. You can google hashishine to find detailed information about it.
The blonde leb hash was very distinctive, no other hash i tried tasted quite like it. Maybe i'll find that taste soon.
My ZA land race Durban Poison gals were all super dwarf plants this year, and they bloomed in June. We culled them in July, and they smoke up OK. Classic wake 'n bake Durban. But not breeding stock. I kept one male and it has yet to bloom. Good for not mixing any pollen with my RSC Lebby sativa pheno male that is popping 1/4 gram vial a day of pollen now. I am going to breed the Durban ZA land race with my cuts of Durban that I got here from a dispensary. They did not know the origin of the strain: could be any number of Durban cuts from the SF Bay area (worked by Ed Rosen. and Mel Franks), or from seeds from Holland (Mel Franks seeds re-worked by David Watson).
Best hashish I ever had was Kona Gold hash. An old roommate of mine from Monterey came back from Maui with an eighth or so of the stuff. Best hash high ever! We burned through it in record time. I forget the taste, but I remember the high. Dreamy, light headed, giggly, and fun. Red Labby was as close to that in any other hashish that I smoked. It had a distinctive taste to it. I got a hint of that taste from one of the Lebbies that I am growing now. That was in the prelim tasting/test from the forced blooms to verify sex. Unfortunately I mixed the blooms from the Lebby cuttings of those 4 gals, and I did not think there would be any difference. That high also hammered me hard with rushes, as I posted here before on one of these threads. One or more of these gals has a serious kick to it.
Odds are 8:1 that you will get at least one male. I got 3:4 females from my RSC seeds that survived, out of 7 planted. No indica males though.
Just have to cross my fingers on this one. Who has decent Durban poison seeds? ive looked all over and havent really seen anything that stands out
You might be able to tell from the scent... Did it smell like a rat?
I cannot say. All the Durban seeds that I have come across are weird. My ZA land race seeds were a bust this year. According to Ed Rosenthal and Mel Franks, the Durban strains in ZA bloomed all over the place. I have another set of Durban seeds that I got in seeded Durban weed at a dispensary here in February. I got 40 seeds in an 8th. Great 8th, great Durban high to it. I went back for more but it was sold out. It was only $18!! They did not know what the father was that was crossed with it though. I planted several this year but most croaked from dampening off. The one that made it was a male, and I yanked it. Maybe I should have kept it, as I did not think that I would come across any cuts of DP, and I had 3 of the land race males already. I still have one of them, and it is still not blooming. Weird, as its sisters all bloomed back in June! I then came across some DP clones at a dispensary that were un-advertized, and they sold out in a few hours. I got 2 for me and 2 for my brother to replace the early bloom Durbans that we pulled. They are an unknown as yet. Wider leaf than the land race and the seeded male, but narrower than the stuff I see being grown as DP over on IcyRag. Some guy growing DP and Thai on IcyRag has the widest leaf indica I have seen, and he claims it is a Durban Poison? A sativa? So I dunno. Maybe I will be able to produce some Durban winners this year or next. Its a tough strain to find, but it has a great high. It is moderately high in THCV, as well having as some CBD, and speedy as all heck, but no rushes or feeling that you smoked too much. I love the stuff, but I am long since out of any bud. I am waiting for these gals to bloom. I am growing two because I want a lot of it!
I found this post by Mel Franks on LeafFlea correcting their earlier post about Durban Poison. Amusing... and apparently my super early blooming Durbans are 'normal' for the land races from ZA.
The following part of the Durban Poison review is incorrect; I know, because I (Mel Frank) developed this strain. "It's origins date way back to the late 1970's. In South Africa, an ambitious young man named Ed Rosenthal was seeking a new strain. Upon securing a variety of seeds, he returned home to America, and began honing in on inbreeding the lines which possessed his favored growing characteristics." This is the correct version," In 1978 Ed Rosenthal did indeed bring back Durban Poison seeds, but from Amsterdam, not from South Africa.. He gave them to me and I developed Durban Poison. Ed never grew this strain. The seeds were not from a developed cultivar (there was no seed industry then) It was a landrace of very mixed characteristics from mediocre to quite good potency and with a very early harvest time when growing outdoors. After several generations I had two distinct higher potency phenotype lines, the A and B lines. I did give the B line to Skunkman Sam and he further developed it in Amsterdam. The B line had about 10% intersex phenos, and I mistakenly gave the B to Sam causing him to have to rework the strain to eliminate the tendency to put out a few male flowers on about 10% of the females. the rest of the review is pretty good.
The following part of the Durban Poison review is incorrect; I know, because I (Mel Frank) developed this strain. "It's origins date way back to the late 1970's. In South Africa, an ambitious young man named Ed Rosenthal was seeking a new strain. Upon securing a variety of seeds, he returned home to America, and began honing in on inbreeding the lines which possessed his favored growing characteristics." This is the correct version," In 1978 Ed Rosenthal did indeed bring back Durban Poison seeds, but from Amsterdam, not from South Africa.. He gave them to me and I developed Durban Poison. Ed never grew this strain. The seeds were not from a developed cultivar (there was no seed industry then) It was a landrace of very mixed characteristics from mediocre to quite good potency and with a very early harvest time when growing outdoors. After several generations I had two distinct higher potency phenotype lines, the A and B lines. I did give the B line to Skunkman Sam and he further developed it in Amsterdam. The B line had about 10% intersex phenos, and I mistakenly gave the B to Sam causing him to have to rework the strain to eliminate the tendency to put out a few male flowers on about 10% of the females. the rest of the review is pretty good.
Ill keep looking, someone has to have a line close to the landrace type
I dunno. I have talked to several that live in or lived in South Africa, including my best friend's ex-wife, and they say that Durban is all but extinct there now. Swazi weed has taken over the grow scene there now. So we have what Ed and some others brought back with them and worked here in the states and in Amsterdam. And the land races the likes of what I have, that are so weird and unstable that they are really hard to work with. Maybe a cut of Mel's A strain is still floating around the East Bay? I will keep looking. And growing.