Landrace Genetics 101

Sensi Seeds (my highlighting denotes forum sponsor status ;) ) has been selling Ruderalis Indica and Ruderalis Skunk for years. Both are cheap (and remarkably so for SS strains). Because the auto-flowering trait is not fixed in either strain (expect approximately 50% of them to be auto-flowering), my guess is that they are F₁ generation with a "pure" ruderalis parent. And they are regular (non-feminized) strains, so you will be able to work with them - both to fix the auto-flowering trait and to add whatever genetics you wish. Neither of these strains will take your head off. That is actually a good thing for some; others will wish to breed them with something a bit more potent (IMHO). If someone wants to grow outdoors, has a short growing season, one that is uncertain (IOW, may experience cool wet weather late that could require a shorter growing period than was forecast), or both - and is not just interested in the highest-THC strains in the world (this week, lol), both of these could be good choices for "back-up strains," since they provide the opportunity to get both a quick harvest (due to the ones that will auto-flower) and a later, traditional one.

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You could also grab some original lowrider, I suppose, which should not be all that far removed from the generation that ruderalis was first introduced. But Ben's (Sensi's) strains would probably be more appealing.

Or you could go wandering around northeastern Europe and surrounding areas looking for feral ruderalis. Most folks there would probably thank you for cutting it down, lol.

OtOH, you could just choose a regular strain that is easy to grow, reasonably potent, with the effect that your clients are looking for, keep a mother, and offer them rooted clones. Auto-flowering strains, in general, would lose much of their appeal to the indoor grower if time-to-harvest was more comparable, methinks....
 
I've got the process down and now the traits that I want the hard part is finding the plants that I want to do it with I got my female plant that I want to do it with which is a pure Afghan from DNA genetics 100% indica trying to find a ruderalis that is not hybridized mostly pure not bred with hemp

This is my next five-year project my pure Afghan tested at 22% I'm guessing after I'm done it will be closer to 16 - 18%

And thank you everybody for your help and cooperation any advice can be used
 
Random Thought: Getting landrace seeds - albeit from certain limited geographical areas - used to be both cheap and easy. Ya spent next to nothing on a lid of Mexican (et cetera) brick, broke it apart, picked out the relative few (out of a thousand, lol) seeds that hadn't been crushed when the bud was compressed into bales, grew them out, and generally had some decent long-flowering sativa happiness, lol. If you were really lucky, you even got slightly high for a short time off of the ounce of prematurely harvested, poorly dried, non-cured, seedy, compressed crap that served as the... packaging materials for your seeds.
 
Imhigh85 said:
I've got the process down and now the traits that I want the hard part is finding the plants that I want to do it with I got my female plant that I want to do it with which is a pure Afghan from DNA genetics 100% indica trying to find a ruderalis that is not hybridized mostly pure not bred with hemp

This is my next five-year project my pure Afghan tested at 22% I'm guessing after I'm done it will be closer to 16 - 18%

And thank you everybody for your help and cooperation any advice can be used
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I hear ya. I looked for a while but finally found some land race gems out there that I did not have and that I could not get stateside. Reason being for my search was that I do not want to re-invent the wheel developing high CBD strains. If you keep posting to forums and make friends worldwide, you may be able to get land race seeds that cannot be obtained anywhere in the US. Though I do not know anyone that has pure rude land race seed. I know where I can get several pure land race Afghan strains locally, but not ruderalis. Issue being that rude has near zero THC. So it was never available as bag weed. Even indica was rarely available as bag weed here (mostly available as hashish), and hence in the 70s sativa dominated home grows here.

Also I do not see where there would be any advantage to crossing rude with hemp for auto flowering; generally hemp is cut and harvested pre-flower for fiber. You want long growing late blooming hemp strains for long fibers. For that reason I believe that a lot of Colombian and Northern Mexico sativa strains were originally Manila Hemp strains in the 16th century, brought to the New World by the Spanish to grow for hemp, but also cultivated separately into more psychoactive land race sativas for several centuries by the indigenous natives in the Americas. They grow very tall and bloom very late. Southern Mexico strains grow tall and bloom earlier, but not early like inidca.

As an aside, why the need for auto-flower genetics? Just pop them under 12/12 for 5 nights and you will initiate flowering at any time. Contrary to popular belief, once flowering starts they will stay in flower regardless of the light timing after that. Last year I started plants blooming in April and moved them into the GH under natural light, and they bloomed right through the summer solstice when I harvested them. I re-vegged them in the GH and they grew and bloomed again in the fall. Double harvest. Easy peasy. But I grow in 15 gallon pots that can be moved around.
 
The reason for crossing the pure Afghan with an auto I just need to isolate the recessive Auto trait a lot of my patients don't have room for a flowering and a veg tent doesn't have to be pure just mean landrace stable Gene I don't want genes that have already been crossed the patient pay my bills so what the patient wants the patients get
 
Imhigh85 said:
The reason for crossing the pure Afghan with an auto I just need to isolate the recessive Auto trait a lot of my patients don't have room for a flowering and a veg tent doesn't have to be pure just mean landrace stable Gene I don't want genes that have already been crossed the patient pay my bills so what the patient wants the patients get
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When I was an engineer, the marketing department always wanted us to do the impossible for, 'the customer'. However, just because a customer wanted something does not mean that we are able to break the laws of physics to do so. I do not know of any ruderalis land races, or if there ever were any. My informed belief is that ruderalis is a wild "species" native to Siberia and they were never cultivated like indicas and sativas. Maybe someone has worked them alone, but I do not know of anyone. They have little value other than the auto flowering genes. They may also have cold hearty genes though. With a recessive auto gene as well as a small vine-like plant pheno, you will be hard pressed to get all auto seeds with a good size plant over time. And autos are very difficult to clone... the clones will typically bloom with the mothers. And ruderalis is high in CBD. That may or may not be beneficial for what you are looking for in the final results.

There are other older posts like this one on this and other forums about a decade old where people were looking for wild Ruderalis seeds. The answer was that same then; there are many many worked crosses, but no pure wild seed available. Certainly there are still wild ruderalis plants growing in Siberia. The hard part is getting them here. My advice would be as others have suggested and to get what is called a super-auto flowering afghan indica similar to your strain and use that to cross your strain with. Super-autos are taller later blooming plants. There are several Afghan super-auto strains available. That way you would be crossing two stable strains. The results would be high potency and a high percent would be auto, and the plant stature would be much larger. I also do not see the need for two grow tents: you grow and set the flowering on the plants all at once with light control. It would be the same as auto-flowering, but you have far more control over blooming. I know, this is not the answer that you want to hear or what your customers want. My reply is just the route that I would take based on what I know and my experience growing weed for 40 some odd years.
 
We ended up Googling Strain Hunters and found an actual guy that can go from country to Country finding things and can send them to me if he can find what I'm looking for I have hybridized other strains with autos I just have never tried to do this with to land races I mean this is what they pay me to do but I want to keep all the trade oh the Indica plant and just a little bit of CBD and the recessed Auto trait it's not hard just very long and sometimes stressful
 
If you are talking about 'the' Strain Hunters, they are part of Green House Seed Co. GHS as a rule do not sell land race seeds that they collect. That is what one of their top people told me recently anyway. They only sell seeds of hybridized land race crosses. Also Arjan (the owner of GHS now that the other founders have left to form Mr Nice) tends to feminize his strains. And Franco died of malaria recently. He was the top breeder at GHS. He and Arjan were the two that made up the Strain Hunters team along with a guy named Simon from East Africa. Franco's death has brought the Strain Hunters site and GHS into a lull of late. He was a driving force there, and is sorely missed.

If it is someone else, then great. Good luck finding and obtaining your wild ruderalis seeds, and subsequent breeding.
 
Has anyone tried the Thai Stick from MSNL? Not so sure it's landrace. The description mentions Skunk #1. Seems a little weird. It's almost ready...

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:Namaste:
 
How long has she been flowering?
 
15 weeks now. :trance:
 
Then it's definitely niot a skunk :laughtwo:
 
Landrace sativa's take lots of time. I had a Malawi go 16 weeks and it still needed more time but there was no space. Looks like you have at least a few more months. Thai sativas can take as much as a 20 weeks to finish flowering.
 
Jackalope said:
Thai sativas can take as much as a 20 weeks to finish flowering.
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...and start producing more and more male flowers @ 18 weeks, lol.

(Arguably) worth the hassle, though ;) .
 
Wow. 20 weeks huh? So, based on my photos would you guys suggest I keep up on the nutes? I am just beginning to see a little amber tricomes that you can see on the scoped photos I attached.

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