Landrace Genetics 101

BigSur said:
Yes, the hashish still calls me in my dreams. The Lebanese stuff had the best overall high of any MJ product that I have smoked. I never heard of elephant ear hash, but certainly smoked Nepalese Fingers and Temple Balls. They were both dark green. I used a tortilla press the last time I tried to make hash. I did not get it warm enough before pressing it.
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Have you run across this method where you get a quick and dirty resin extraction from buds? They use a simple variable hair iron and pieces of baking parchment paper. :cheesygrinsmiley: You end up with a this film of resin in a few second, and apparently it's fairly efficient. I wonder if you couldn't use it on the hash. It would only work for a thinnish layer of hash, though ... :hmmm: Or ... maybe a digital clothes iron would work the same ... ?
 
Graytail said:
Have you run across this method where you get a quick and dirty resin extraction from buds? They use a simple variable hair iron and pieces of baking parchment paper. :cheesygrinsmiley: You end up with a this film of resin in a few second, and apparently it's fairly efficient. I wonder if you couldn't use it on the hash. It would only work for a thinnish layer of hash, though ... :hmmm: Or ... maybe a digital clothes iron would work the same ... ?
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No, I have not tried that method. I have to find some heirloom hash plants first... then grow and dry them, and then I have to beat the trichomes out of them.

I am thinking bigger though, and potentially getting a grow and processing license in the state, and grow and produce hash to sell in the rec weed stores here. I mean to produce and sell real Lebanese style hashish. That would be a best seller, I am sure. It would also bypass the Hezbolla, or whoever is making money from hash production in the middle east.
 
Just check out this vid, these Lebanon hash plants are clearly visible here, and they look pretty good!

 
safeman said:
Please tell me when/if you find a good strain for that. Have not seen hash for many years - wonder why ?
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I will be searching for Beka'a Valley strains. I have some Lebanese friends that I made in college years ago, and I will contact some of them to see if I can get a direct supply of seeds. My guess is that seeds may be difficult to get from Lebanon directly. All the online seed banks in the EU seem to be out of them (or what they claim to be Lebanese seeds).

Since the civil war in Lebanon has ended, production has dropped rather drastically. As shown in the great documentary above, the large growers/farmers are teamed up with the government and/or Hezbollah, and small farms are being bulldozed. As to what the Hezbollah says and what it actually does, who knows. Its a really insanely complicated political situation in Lebanon, which used to be the Switzerland of the middle east.

Supposedly as a result of the civil war in Syria, over the past 2 years MJ growers in Lebanon have been able to grow more MJ and make more hashish again. But lately (in the past few weeks) the government has been busting large hash caches again as well. So its a highly variable situation. That is what I have read anyway. I will find out more if I can get in touch with my friends there.
 
brightlight said:
Looks like they trim off all fans on ripening plants at vid's outset. Interesting to see similar techniques all over the world.
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I doubt that they trim the leaves there. Look at the size and scale of those plants. Miles and miles of them. I think that they grow that way naturally, and the large leaves die back in the fall.
 
Yeah I second that, I think they do not think about it that technically. I think it's the genetics of these indica plants that actually stimulates complete defoliage. This variety really looks original not like typical Afghan, Moroccan or Pakistani hash plants. It also looks like a heavy resin producer. And look at size of these buds they're like small bushes with balooned colas, quite pretty actually. I can bet that they give excellent hash :bong:
 
I gotta say guys, this is a stimulating discussion going on here. My pulse starts to quicken when I consider stopping in. :laughtwo: I feel like such an unschooled, wide-eyed babe in the woods among all you learned souls. Hahaha!
 
Weaselcracker said:
❤️ My pulse quickens when I think about stimulated unschooled wide-eyed babes in the woods. ❤️
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Yes indeed! Here sweetie, smoke this herb :grinjoint: and take a walk in the woods with the big bad wolf! Aouuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh!
 
conradino23 said:
Yeah I second that, I think they do not think about it that technically. I think it's the genetics of these indica plants that actually stimulates complete defoliage. This variety really looks original not like typical Afghan, Moroccan or Pakistani hash plants. It also looks like a heavy resin producer. And look at size of these buds they're like small bushes with balooned colas, quite pretty actually. I can bet that they give excellent hash :bong:
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I was thinking today a lot about that video on Lebanon MJ growing that you posted here. I am wondering if the colas smoke like the finished hashish does, in terms of a high, or if the hash making process brings out the hashly goodness? I have made hash, but it is basically just a concentrate of whatever I have grown. So if I have say, a pound of Oregon grown Oaxacan colas, there seems to be no point in making hash out of the trim, because it is just going to smoke like the bud (or something less than it, as in my hash making attempts). What I really want is hashish from the middle east, and I have failed to get that. I had not thought of the source plants that were going into making the hash, or that they are basically a completely different type of MJ plant than what I have grown.

I am intrigued with all of this because earlier in the year I was looking hard at cloning and crossing high CBD hemp strains with high THC MJ strains. I contacted several hemp seed people and discussed my intent, and they got all pissed off and ended any discussion with me. It seems that these hempsters want NOTHING to do with my crossing their strains with MJ, and they made it quite clear. "Hemp is not MJ", they said. I said its the same damn plant... Cannabis! No reply from them on that. They went cold on me. So I do not have any high CBD strains to cross with my high THC strains. But alas...

I had a brain fart! So now, rather than waste a lot of time re-inventing the wheel, or in this case, reinventing hashish, my intent is to grow landrace Lebanese MJ. According to Rosenthal and others, these types of indica plants have both high levels of THC, and high levels of CBD. Likely they have other different levels of cannabinols as well, so whallah! Simply grow insto-presto high CBD/THC crosses from seeds, without having to do any breeding. And... the big bonus,

The hashish high!

Well, maybe. Still not sure if the landrace MJ plant colas that are used to make hash from will smoke up like the hash does. Or if the plants will grow well here. I still cannot find anyone online that is not out of landrace Lebanese seeds, but I found some cheap landrace Moroccan 'hash plant' seeds. It seems that landraace seed strains are cheap from these areas, and they are true landraces and uncrossed with auto-flowering or high THC strains. They still grow MJ there like they have for... a few thousand years now.
 
Hey Gang,Here is my Hash Press, Works great,you can really compress it.How warm do you think I should warm the kief up to?
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I think the pressing processe is critical to making strong hash.All the videos I have seen use 5 or 10 ton jacks to compress it. I don't recall how long they kept it under presser. One last thought ,could it be its too damp around here to really dry and cure it like they do back east?.... .Thanks ,Red
 
Stoned Redneck said:
Hey Gang,Here is my Hash Press, Works great,you can really compress it.How warm do you think I should warm the kief up to?
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I think the pressing processe is critical to making strong hash.All the videos I have seen use 5 or 10 ton jacks to compress it. I don't recall how long they kept it under presser. One last thought ,could it be its too damp around here to really dry and cure it like they do back east?.... .Thanks ,Red
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can you post a bigger pic, what is it and how does it work?

I use foil/mylar chip bags and a bench vise to press my hash.

I put the sifted powder in the bag. fold it up and tape it it. wrap it with a bit of slightly moistened paper towel and toss it in the oven at 175-200 for 15min.

Squeeze it in the vise for a few hours and it's ready to smoke.
 
wonder if one could use fan leaves, ect all put to a mess to make powder and then do you might - might be OK ? How many times do you repeat the process ( water ? oven? ) (just once ?):thumb: Thanks
 
Hey hash hound, Its a 5/8? deep socket then a bolt head, then hashish ,and then a bolt and nut plunger. That goes in to the shop vice and out comes pressed kief.i don't call it hash yet... I will try warming it up. I think that will help. I'll let you all know how it works. One more quick question...I'm canning my summer harvest , Now if I fill a qt jar and put the lid on and after 24 hours there is no sign of condensation inside it must be dry enough to call it good? I like to vacuum seal it as well and want to be sure its dry enough.Thanks again to all ,Red
 
Stoned Redneck said:
Hey hash hound, Its a 5/8? deep socket then a bolt head, then hashish ,and then a bolt and nut plunger. That goes in to the shop vice and out comes pressed kief.i don't call it hash yet... I will try warming it up. I think that will help. I'll let you all know how it works. One more quick question...I'm canning my summer harvest , Now if I fill a qt jar and put the lid on and after 24 hours there is no sign of condensation inside it must be dry enough to call it good? I like to vacuum seal it as well and want to be sure its dry enough.Thanks again to all ,Red
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Stoned, i don't know if i would use condensation as a gage in timing of canning long term. :)
 
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