Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch

Jon said:
I’m beginning to think it might be a good thing to max the light during the stretch and roll it back as flower progresses from there. That’s what I did with a few plants this time and they seem to have responded with bulk, particularly the Blackberry Moonrocks.
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Yep, I’m a bit perplexed by this grow. I get the Blue Thais not stretching much, they’re indica dominants. However, even the sativa dominants didn’t stretch nearly as much as they should’ve. Especially since they had a 60ish day veg, and are in 10 gallon flowering containers.

Common grow logic tells me less light should’ve driven the plants to stretch even more. However I think there’s going to be some hormones and signaling that happen that make flower stretch different than stretchy young plants. I’m thinking the amount of available light coming into flower stretch signals to the plant just how much it’s gonna be able to bulk up, influencing its final size.

I’ll be observing going forward. Let me know next time you’re about to go into flower stretch as it’ll probably be before me.


Jon said:
You want trimming speed? Here’s the most obvious tip in the world that nobody ever thinks of…CHOKE UP! Remember little league? If you choke up on the trimmers you can fly, and increase your accuracy significantly.
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This is funny/interesting because I noticed I do this naturally when there’s a lot to trim. I have the fiskar micro tip pruner that I use for cola work and every time I start holding them normal but by the end I’ve choked all the way up on them without even thinking about it.

This does help the work but it wears my hands out faster. I have partial paralysis in my hands that feels so weird. I can use my hands but they feel heavy and tight almost, like I can never stretch them out fully. This makes them sore pretty quickly but also makes it difficult to open and close them as I use them more. They don’t hurt they just become almost like they’re stuck in molasses.
 
Choke down... your funny🤣 They barely fit in my hands! If I choke down I'm plucking with my fingers, not snipping🤣🤣🤣🤣

Keef, your plants are hybrids correct?
Hybrids can stretch like an indica, or like a sativa, or in between, and every pheno is different.

You need to use clones and side-by-side comparisons to accurately see the effects of things you try when manipulating stretch.

Otherwise it could just be different phenotypic expressions.

Tail-chasing.
 
Quick pics of the clique last night.

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I cut my ppms for last nights watering and gave everyone a good thorough soaking. I expect to start looking at harvesting in 2ish weeks, we’ll see, as I said, no hard dates. These Blue Thais are wily and look like they’re starting another round of mass building.

No signs of herms anywhere so as @Melville Hobbes suspected, it’s going to have been the genetics that drove the herms prior. This gives me a lot more freedom to use up my space more efficiently now that I don’t need to be able to access the center to look at everything.

This grow has 32 colas spread over 4 plants. I still have plenty of space I could use more efficiently. Next grow may see me try 64 colas, 16 on each plant. We’ll see, I have a lot Id like to do and doubling my colas is a big change by itself. I don’t like making too many changes between grows otherwise I can’t tell what’s worked and what hasn’t.
 
Gee64 said:
Choke down... your funny🤣 They barely fit in my hands! If I choke down I'm plucking with my fingers, not snipping🤣🤣🤣🤣

Keef, your plants are hybrids correct?
Hybrids can stretch like an indica, or like a sativa, or in between, and every pheno is different.

You need to use clones and side-by-side comparisons to accurately see the effects of things you try when manipulating stretch.

Otherwise it could just be different phenotypic expressions.

Tail-chasing.
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Correct, hybrids. Regardless of strain/pheno I definitely feel like all of these plants should’ve been at least a foot taller. Perhaps I didn’t give myself enough time in veg for the manifold, or I might have ran them horizontal too long. Or I may have to look into vegging for 70-75 days instead of 60 or adjusting the timeline for the manifold.

Lots of thoughts and not a lot I can do until I can get a look at the roots and summarize the grow
 
Keffka said:
Correct, hybrids. Regardless of strain/pheno I definitely feel like all of these plants should’ve been at least a foot taller. Perhaps I didn’t give myself enough time in veg for the manifold, or I might have ran them horizontal too long. Or I may have to look into vegging for 70-75 days instead of 60 or adjusting the timeline for the manifold.

Lots of thoughts and not a lot I can do until I can get a look at the roots and summarize the grow
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Just an FYI, as mine are sativa, but their heights from soil to the tallest cola are 31", 32", 36" and 40". If I had gotten 4 shorties instead of 2, I would be scratching my head right now wondering what the heck I did to shrink my colas. That may have happened to you. How tall are your plants?
 
Gee64 said:
Just an FYI, as mine are sativa, but their heights from soil to the tallest cola are 31", 32", 36" and 40". If I had gotten 4 shorties instead of 2, I would be scratching my head right now wondering what the heck I did to shrink my colas. That may have happened to you. How tall are your plants?
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I don’t know for sure on their heights, I’ll have to check this evening at lights on. I’ll reply back to this message when I get the measurements.

I may just be expecting too much out of plants that have been topped 3 times and aggressively tied down. I wouldn’t question it if it was just the Blue Thais but the Runtz Punch and Apple Betty both should be bigger in my mind as well. Again though, manifolding may have a greater impact on morphology than I am accounting for.
 
I think you're right that aggressive training requires a longer veg if you want big plants.
My indoor soil grows where I trained extensively but only vegged for 60 days were pretty short, and the training seems to stunt the stretch when I flip to flower.
 
Melville Hobbes said:
I think you're right that aggressive training requires a longer veg if you want big plants.
My indoor soil grows where I trained extensively but only vegged for 60 days were pretty short, and the training seems to stunt the stretch when I flip to flower.
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The untopped 3 gallon plants had branches and leaves that were slightly larger than my current plants. I estimated that 10 gallons would be able to produce similar sized plants to the untopped 3 gallons after being manifolded and given 60 days veg. I was off by quite a bit. I’d say another 10-14 days of veg would’ve given me closer to what I was expecting.

I wonder if going in a bigger, or more potent container would solve this, or if the extra days are a better route. More roots from more days is probably the best answer.
 
Gee64 said:
Just an FYI, as mine are sativa, but their heights from soil to the tallest cola are 31", 32", 36" and 40". If I had gotten 4 shorties instead of 2, I would be scratching my head right now wondering what the heck I did to shrink my colas. That may have happened to you. How tall are your plants?
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20-24 inches from the soil to the top of the cola. I also ran branches horizontally for 4-6 inches so 24-30 inches total. This seems about average for indica dominants. I think going forward if I manifold I won’t run indicas horizontal, and I’ll also give extra days of veg, since I’m gonna be boosting my mix anyway.
 
Keffka said:
Yep, I’m a bit perplexed by this grow. I get the Blue Thais not stretching much, they’re indica dominants. However, even the sativa dominants didn’t stretch nearly as much as they should’ve. Especially since they had a 60ish day veg, and are in 10 gallon flowering containers.

Common grow logic tells me less light should’ve driven the plants to stretch even more. However I think there’s going to be some hormones and signaling that happen that make flower stretch different than stretchy young plants. I’m thinking the amount of available light coming into flower stretch signals to the plant just how much it’s gonna be able to bulk up, influencing its final size.

I’ll be observing going forward. Let me know next time you’re about to go into flower stretch as it’ll probably be before me.




This is funny/interesting because I noticed I do this naturally when there’s a lot to trim. I have the fiskar micro tip pruner that I use for cola work and every time I start holding them normal but by the end I’ve choked all the way up on them without even thinking about it.

This does help the work but it wears my hands out faster. I have partial paralysis in my hands that feels so weird. I can use my hands but they feel heavy and tight almost, like I can never stretch them out fully. This makes them sore pretty quickly but also makes it difficult to open and close them as I use them more. They don’t hurt they just become almost like they’re stuck in molasses.
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I use the same trimmers and even though my hands are fine, I find the same thing. I tend to do it more for fine trimming and small stuff.
 
Keffka said:
Yep, I’m a bit perplexed by this grow. I get the Blue Thais not stretching much, they’re indica dominants. However, even the sativa dominants didn’t stretch nearly as much as they should’ve. Especially since they had a 60ish day veg, and are in 10 gallon flowering containers.

Common grow logic tells me less light should’ve driven the plants to stretch even more. However I think there’s going to be some hormones and signaling that happen that make flower stretch different than stretchy young plants. I’m thinking the amount of available light coming into flower stretch signals to the plant just how much it’s gonna be able to bulk up, influencing its final size.

I’ll be observing going forward. Let me know next time you’re about to go into flower stretch as it’ll probably be before me.




This is funny/interesting because I noticed I do this naturally when there’s a lot to trim. I have the fiskar micro tip pruner that I use for cola work and every time I start holding them normal but by the end I’ve choked all the way up on them without even thinking about it.

This does help the work but it wears my hands out faster. I have partial paralysis in my hands that feels so weird. I can use my hands but they feel heavy and tight almost, like I can never stretch them out fully. This makes them sore pretty quickly but also makes it difficult to open and close them as I use them more. They don’t hurt they just become almost like they’re stuck in molasses.
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My thinking behind more light for the stretch is that I figure the hardest the plant is going to work during its entire grow cycle is during the stretch. When else do you get so much growth in such a short time? So if that is so, my logic says perhaps the plant needs as much power as I can give it during that two weeks or whatever. Then roll it back. I’ve tried that this grow, I’ll see the results soon enough at harvest.
 
Replaced the water pump and serpentine belt on the truck last night. My fuck it was a pain in the ass to remove the fan. Wound up cracking the edge of the power steering pulley trying to hold the water pump pulley in place. Of course I cracked the shroud as well. I don’t know why they insist on using those stupid plastic screws, it’s like they want me to replace the shroud every time I go in. Just used a bit of wire to hold the shroud against the frame so it should be fine.

Truck is still squealing when I accelerate though. I’m hoping it’s just the new belt and new pump working in. Otherwise I’m gonna have to get back under it and the weather is quickly going cold
 
Maybe rub the belt with a dry bar of soap and see if it stops. Glad you got it changed though homeskillet!! 😎✌️
 
Scottay said:
Maybe rub the belt with a dry bar of soap and see if it stops. Glad you got it changed though homeskillet!! 😎✌️
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Thanks for the tip Scott! I tried to use AI to help me. I’ve also tried using it for a few other labor related things and I’ve come to a conclusion.

For a long time people said AI was threatening blue collar and labor jobs. I don’t believe that. I think white collar and tech jobs will be the first to go. Every time I’ve used AI for a manual task or something like replacing a water pump, it can never do it. There’s too many variables to labor. There’s too many different yards, engines, fixes, etc. so AI can only ever give you a general idea of what to do, it can’t execute it and it sure can’t do it correctly. Stuff like that where you have to think on the fly and adapt to the situation at hand is going to be really difficult for the robots.

Even GPT-4 with the ability to look at images couldn’t figure out wtf to do, and not a single robot mentioned needing to secure the pulley in place to remove the fan.
 
I dropped the schedule again last night from 11.5/12.5 to 11/13. Today the smell seems to be even more powerful. I find it interesting that each time I increase the darkness the smells grow stronger. It’s probably nothing but I’ll pay attention to it. If it happens repeatedly over multiple grows it may be worth looking into.

I will increase the light intensity to keep the DLI up. Currently I’ve got them at 45-50.

After about a week or so I will drop the schedule to 10/14 and the plants will stay at that until they’re ready
 
Keffka said:
It’s probably nothing but I’ll pay attention to it. If it happens repeatedly over multiple grows it may be worth looking into.
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I smell some Bro science brewing!

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