Jon's Sneak It In Auto Grow

[Jon]

Hey @Azimuth - there won’t be any deficiencies introduced in the Blurple Closet. This is the environment at the top of plant level - it stays here until around 7 pm and starts to get a few degrees cooler. So 84 is our max temp, and that’s as high as the RH gets. At night it goes down into the upper 40s, to my surprise and delight. But as you noted Azi, the lights out temp only creates a 7 - 8 degree difference, so we swing from 84 to 76, and that’s not nearly cold enough to generate a colorful deficiency. That said, the Gorilla Zkittlez appears to be making color just fine. Honestly, all I’m hoping for is that the Pink Rozay buds get neon pink like Blimburn shows in the catalog. I loved the description and terps, but I grew it specifically for the exoticness of the colors. So we’ll see soon enough.

 

[KeithLemon]

Focus: Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 67

Here comes color and frost. Now let’s have some fattening please.

Bonus picture of the Pink Rozay from directly overhead while I had her out to rotate the plants. By far the biggest pain in the ass of the grow. I’m doing it every other day instead of every day. Lol. I feel with the mixed lighting they need rotated.

Sugar Sugar looks yummy

 

[Jon]

Sugar Sugar looks yummy

The Apple Fritter is up to 46” tall. Only 2” shy of four feet. I’m going to say that’s a worthwhile auto to grow. Lol!!! And that’s with topping her. I wonder how big this plant can get? I may try one in a 10 next time and let her go and see what she’s got. The seven is long since filled with roots. This auto will fill a 10 in coco.

 

[KeithLemon]

The Apple Fritter is up to 46” tall. Only 2” shy of four feet. I’m going to say that’s a worthwhile auto to grow. Lol!!! And that’s with topping her. I wonder how big this plant can get? I may try one in a 10 next time and let her go and see what she’s got. The seven is long since filled with roots. This auto will fill a 10 in coco.

You grow nice plants and I have to measure my Apple Fritter but she is not much bigger than that.

 

[Jon]

You grow nice plants and I have to measure my Apple Fritter but she is not much bigger than that.

Honestly Keith this one has practically grown itself. The lights and nutes do all the work. I just manage. Lol!

 

[KeithLemon]

Honestly Keith this one has practically grown itself. The lights and nutes do all the work. I just manage. Lol!

It's not that easy, you deserve the credit.

 

[KeithLemon]

The Apple Fritter is up to 46” tall. Only 2” shy of four feet. I’m going to say that’s a worthwhile auto to grow. Lol!!! And that’s with topping her. I wonder how big this plant can get? I may try one in a 10 next time and let her go and see what she’s got. The seven is long since filled with roots. This auto will fill a 10 in coco.

Jon, I checked the height of my Apple Fritter, and she is only 51.5" tall. Damn your is tall for an auto. My plant was a clone so I have no idea how tall she will get. She has not stretched yet has yours.

 

[Jon]

Jon, I checked the height of my Apple Fritter, and she is only 51.5" tall. Damn your is tall for an auto. My plant was a clone so I have no idea how tall she will get. She has not stretched yet has yours.

Yes, mine has reached its max height pretty much. She may hit 48” but not more. Done stretching. Finally! So yours is 52” now? Watch out buddy. This strain is a stretcher. I won’t be surprised if you end up at 80-90”. Wait til you see. I know I’m looking forward to it!

 

[KeithLemon]

Yes, mine has reached its max height pretty much. She may hit 48” but not more. Done stretching. Finally! So yours is 52” now? Watch out buddy. This strain is a stretcher. I won’t be surprised if you end up at 80-90”. Wait til you see. I know I’m looking forward to it!

We will see I can't wait either.

 

[Jon]

We will see I can't wait either.

One of the great things about your plant and being outdoors is the *lack* of training. The result of that on a big plant like yours is that all of your keeper stems are going to end up long. Long stems = more bud. Even with autos, now that I have a canopy field for the first time, I can already see that I can beat a canopied auto on yield with less training every time. This is great but way more work than is necessary. I’d be willing to bet that the Apple Fritter, only topped once, will beat every tent plant on yield. Maybe the Pink Rozay (untrained) too. I’ll have a ton of buds on each tent plant, but they’ll be smallish. It’s gonna be a pain in ass to trim, whereas yours will be a breeze. I’ll put my Sombrero Training up against a canopied or scrogged auto any day for yield, now having done it. The one exception which may prove me wrong is the one Platinum Mimosa Cookies beast. That one went nuts.

 

[Jon]

Garden
Feed Addition

Today we introduce yet one more non-Remo additive to our Remo base. The Bembe is in the house! This is my favorite Fox Farms sweetener type product (lots of sugar/carbs) to use as an additive. In addition to the cane and beet sugars, it has a little P and K kick. So any microbes that may be present get happier, and it’s a milder P and K boost by a mile than the Canna PK 13/14. Since we discontinued the 13/14 for a while, this makes a nice substitute and is far less likely to burn leaf tips (not that I mind burning them, lol). It worked very well with the Prescription Blend, I’m sure it will work the same with Remo.

Here’s the product for those unfamiliar and a weird garden shot with a PMC bud from the too low chair.

 

[KeithLemon]

Garden
Feed Addition

Today we introduce yet one more non-Remo additive to our Remo base. The Bembe is in the house! This is my favorite Fox Farms sweetener type product (lots of sugar/carbs) to use as an additive. In addition to the cane and beet sugars, it has a little P and K kick. So any microbes that may be present get happier, and it’s a milder P and K boost by a mile than the Canna PK 13/14. Since we discontinued the 13/14 for a while, this makes a nice substitute and is far less likely to burn leaf tips (not that I mind burning them, lol). It worked very well with the Prescription Blend, I’m sure it will work the same with Remo.

Here’s the product for those unfamiliar and a weird garden shot with a PMC bud from the too low chair.

Maybe I should try some of this on my Apple Fritter. What do you think. We are both using PB.

 

[Jon]

Maybe I should try some of this on my Apple Fritter. What do you think. We are both using PB.

Well, I started on PB and now have switched to Remo, but same thing. I don’t know Keith. When you begin to mess with additional stuff on top of the base PB (or any) mix, no matter what it is, things change. PH changes. Drainage potentially changes depending on the additive. It took me a good while to learn about these and figure out how to read the plants relative to them. To be honest, if I were in your exact shoes with your exact level of experience, I would stay the course this time with the PB exactly as it’s prescribed. It’s working perfectly for you right now. And that way you will learn a nute system completely, start to finish, and see how a system/prescription works. Why they suggest raising this or that and when and all that good stuff. Since you will at some point be forced to switch, that knowledge will serve you well when you use the next nute system, as for the most part they work similarly.

Alternate thought: you could try it or something else on one plant and see if there’s any visual difference while growing or smoke difference when you smoke it. If you want to try that, my personal suggestion would be to try something in the carb vein. This is as harmless an additive as there is. And for those, I use Terpinator and Bembe. In soil, you could add either (or both) of those, or even blackstrap unsulphured molasses. You may run into someone who does not believe in these given that you’re using chem nutes (since much of their purpose is to keep microbes happy). I disagree. In any event, of that three item list, if you were to try it, I would recommend the Terpinator over the Bembe.

You have two GGs, right? If you try it I would use one of them. I wouldn’t mess with the Apple Fritter.

Give it some thought. This may be a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation.

Helpful?

 

[Jon]

Platinum Mimosa Cookies XXL Autos A and B
Let’s talk phenotypes. Any time I’ve discussed this in the past there was never a time when I was sure of what I was postulating. In this case I’m as sure as I can be without scientific proof.

The two WWCs appear to be the same - they are basically identical in every way with just a slight color variation. But with the two PMCs - different story. Here we have a sativa pheno and an indica pheno. Part of my surety is based on having grown this twice before, but even if I hadn’t….jeez, just look at how different they are.

Here is the monster of the tent - by far the largest plant - and the one I believe is the sativa pheno:

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• Jon
• Jul 20, 2023

And here is the other one, which I believe to be the indica pheno:

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• Jon
• Jul 20, 2023

The sativa is much larger, much less compact, and has buds that look different than the others, including already showing color. The indica is smaller, tighter, has closer spacing between budlets, and has rounder, whiter buds.

Here’s a typical sativa pheno bud:

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• Jon
• Jul 20, 2023

And here’s a typical indica bud:

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• Jon
• Jul 20, 2023

See the difference? I especially notice the indica buds are bigger, rounder, and whiter. Also noteworthy is the difference in prayer angle of the leaves. The sativa is doing what I expect, but you can see from the pictures that the indica is praying like she is outside. Way beyond 45 degrees. In a tent under LED, that means she’s begging for more light, while the sativa is happy as a clam. As such, I moved the indica up a bit.

So there you go. The difference will become more pronounced as the buds develop. In Jon World, this is a best case scenario.

Thanks for checking in!

 

[KeithLemon]

Well, I started on PB and now have switched to Remo, but same thing. I don’t know Keith. When you begin to mess with additional stuff on top of the base PB (or any) mix, no matter what it is, things change. PH changes. Drainage potentially changes depending on the additive. It took me a good while to learn about these and figure out how to read the plants relative to them. To be honest, if I were in your exact shoes with your exact level of experience, I would stay the course this time with the PB exactly as it’s prescribed. It’s working perfectly for you right now. And that way you will learn a nute system completely, start to finish, and see how a system/prescription works. Why they suggest raising this or that and when and all that good stuff. Since you will at some point be forced to switch, that knowledge will serve you well when you use the next nute system, as for the most part they work similarly.

Alternate thought: you could try it or something else on one plant and see if there’s any visual difference while growing or smoke difference when you smoke it. If you want to try that, my personal suggestion would be to try something in the carb vein. This is as harmless an additive as there is. And for those, I use Terpinator and Bembe. In soil, you could add either (or both) of those, or even blackstrap unsulphured molasses. You may run into someone who does not believe in these given that you’re using chem nutes (since much of their purpose is to keep microbes happy). I disagree. In any event, of that three item list, if you were to try it, I would recommend the Terpinator over the Bembe.

You have two GGs, right? If you try it I would use one of them. I wouldn’t mess with the Apple Fritter.

Give it some thought. This may be a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” situation.

Helpful?

Thanks Jon I will stay the course I appreciate your advice, My two Sour Diesels are doing ok so like you said if it is not broken do not fix it. I will be starting Big Data today on the Apple Fritter as it is real close to flower real close. I always wonder if there is something I should add. I over think it.

 

[Jon]

Thanks Jon I will stay the course I appreciate your advice, My two Sour Diesels are doing ok so like you said if it is not broken do not fix it. I will be starting Big Data today on the Apple Fritter as it is real close to flower real close. I always wonder if there is something I should add. I over think it.

Cool. Sorry, I meant Sour Diesels. I don’t think you’re overthinking it - a lot of us are the same way. It’s hard to not want to push push push when you see others doing it. Perfectly natural. The advice I just gave you is the advice one @Emilya Green gave to me many moons ago when I was asking her about something that was a push. (See? It’s not just you, lol). She explained that a nute system is just that - a system. And despite the marketing, it is designed to be used as such. The best results come when a nute line is fully used and as prescribed, at least until you are real comfortable with your base knowledge about nutes. That advice I took, and I learned a ton as a result. So good call. You got this.

Notice that nothing I ever tell you is original. Lmao!!

 

[Jon]

Apple Fritter

This thing is ridiculous. She won’t stop growing. The picture shows what appears to be a massive disorganized mountain of foliage - she looks more organized live. Understatement alert: This plant is going to produce a large amount of bud, lmao. Anyway, I had to tie the two mains back a couple inches. It was that or lower the power level on the light, and I don’t think my body knows how to do that.



Edit: I’m not going to do it, but I seriously considered chopping off the entire lower ring. I’ve never once had the top just completely dwarf the bottom ring before.

 

[KeithLemon]

Apple Fritter

This thing is ridiculous. She won’t stop growing. The picture shows what appears to be a massive disorganized mountain of foliage - she looks more organized live. Understatement alert: This plant is going to produce a large amount of bud, lmao. Anyway, I had to tie the two mains back a couple inches. It was that or lower the power level on the light, and I don’t think my body knows how to do that.



Edit: I’m not going to do it, but I seriously considered chopping off the entire lower ring. I’ve never once had the top just completely dwarf the bottom ring before.

WoW Jon that is huge and looks a lot like my Apple Fritter.

 

[Jon]

WoW Jon that is huge and looks a lot like my Apple Fritter.

It does at the moment my friend. Not for long. I hope you’re registering what’s happening to this plant, cuz brother, the same thing is about to happen to yours. Only on an entirely different scale. You have a beast about to explode. This strain is every bit the strongly sativa hybrid, and it sure does stretch and grow as such. That means explosion. I’m almost already laughing cuz I know your mind will soon be blown. The stretch is one of my favorite parts of the grow. It’s the Greatest Show on Earth.

 

[Jon]

Clone Update and a Question or Two

Hi guys - so check it out - we have new growth (like actual nodal growth) and side branching going on. Everything north of the two bottom leaves (they’re dead, I should accept it already, lol) looks fabulous. I’m going to declare this clone as back, and ready to go. Which of course begs a few questions.

So you guys with clone experience, any insight you wish to share is much appreciated. I’m wondering:

- should I continue to keep her shaded a while longer or is it okay to put her out into the light? She’s doing well and not stretching so I’m inclined did to leave her where she is for now? And if I should leave her for now, when should I let her feast?

- am I correct in the assumption/assertion that this stuff shown in the pictures = she’s back?

- what is up with the three or four weird, crinkled pistils? Is there something about the sex of the plant I need to know based on these? Yoda laughed (I didn’t find it amusing) and said sorry, I honestly can’t remember if I sent you a male or female, depends on what I was thinking at the time and I don’t know. So it could be a male. He said not to worry about the pistils and they are not a sign of sex. He said you’ll see them often on clones. He said I have to sex the plant like I normally do. I said dude, I’m not buying Ed Rosenthal. I buy fem seeds. There is no “like I normally do.” He said you’ll figure it out. Asshole. Lol. But is it true that they are not a sign of sex and is he correct? (Even Oregon Yoda can be wrong, as he will freely admit)

- if he IS correct, how DO I sex the plant before flower? (This is kind of a big one!). Obviously I’d rather not carry her to flower only to toss a male when I see weird buds forming again. If there’s a way to sex a clone at this point I’m at I’d love to know it.

- do I just proceed as normal now, with uppotting and whatever training or not and feed cycles?

That’s what I can think of for now. Again, any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.