Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod
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AUTOTOWN UPDATE
Day 42 (4), Day 34 (2), Day 29 (3)
I think you guys are gonna like this one...
This post has a lot of information to present, as there have been some big time changes in Autotown. Apparently my plants sued their landlord for better living conditions and actually won, so the landlord was forced to take action. Significant, life changing action for the plants. So I'll try to bullet it and keep it brief so we can get to the porn, which is SO much better with the new light.
- The new light is a full spectrum, 400 watt actual draw, quantum board (non-sponsored). Samsung diodes. Sosen drivers, 2 of them. Very thick heavy aluminum plate that surprised the crap out of me. For as little as I paid for it I expected something thinner and cheaper. The build on this light is top notch and very happy surprise. It comes with a remote control that has an on/off and a dimmer that will dim every 10% from 0 - 100%. It all works perfectly and was easy as hell to set up (thank god for my assistant). In terms of what it can put out, at 12" in the tent with the light fully cranked, the par reading in the center was 1800+!!! The thing puts out. I hung it at 18" over the tallest cola. The par reading right now dead center of the tent is 1250 or so. Because of keeping the blurples also, the par readings on the outer two rows of plants is around 1050 - 1100 par. So basically the entire canopy, all nine plants, are getting hit with a minimum of 1050 par and a maximum of 1250. That's such a gigantic upgrade from where we were that it is incomprehensible almost. You can see how the plants responded to the new setup in the pictures, in just 12 hours.
- With the new light, rather than ditch the blurples, I decided to use them both as additional reds. So I hung one on either side of the new light and am running the two of them on BLOOM only, ie, the reds. This is how I was going to do late budding anyway. With both the blurples on red that's a shitload of extra red. 586 watts worth of it to be precise. The plants now have a total of 986 watts worth of light hitting them. Nice. The reds are more concentrated on the two outer rows of plants just based on where I had to hang them, and then overlaps well into the middle from both sides. The middle row directly under the new light is getting all that full spectrum plus the overlapping reds from both sides, and the outer rows and directly under the reds and getting the full spectrum from the new light overlapping from both sides. For this reason, I put the six plants that are already budding in the outer two rows, and the three Pineapple Express who still are vegging in the middle row. So the setup now is a row of Cinderella Jacks, a row of Pineapple Express, and a row of Lemon with the one Gorilla Zkittlez in between the two Lemons.
- This was obviously going to add heat to the tent, so I also added another climate control measure - a large, powerful, oscillating, VERY EFFECTIVE fan. This thing is set at it's lowest height in the picture and it barely blows across the tops the of the buds which is perfect. As the buds grow they'll get hit more. Can raise it at will and have a foot to play with there. Three speeds. Oscillation or not oscillation. It oscillates 90 degrees, which is absolutely perfect if you have a square tent and can put it exactly in the corner - it covers everything. And it has a wireless remote. Sweet pickup that just happened to work for this tent.
- Now the beauty and effectiveness of the placement of my air intake comes into play. It's connected to AC and getting pulled into the tent with a 405 cfm intake fan, so it cranks in there. The output is aimed so it comes down right in the middle of the new light. Rolls off that plate and hits the other two lights as well, all before it gets to the plants. As a result, these lights are staying cooler than they otherwise would. I can maintain this tent at 81 degrees with full AC during the very hottest (95-100 degree) day and with all three lights cranked. That's worst case scenario. 81 is worst case? I'll take it. Really glad I tried that experiment. There's a picture to show what I did.
- So last night while I was rearranging the tent I removed all the plants and all of them got a CalMag plus Iron flush of a gallon and a half of water each, which is to about triple the runoff I would normally water to. I did this to sort of reset them before they hit the new light, and because it was due in the nute cycle, and also because I found in my first grow that when you are feeding molasses you had better rinse the roots a bit every third watering or so. The unused stuff stays in the soil which is okay, but it will make the pH a bit wonky if you don't do the rinse thing. After a gallon and a half of water I could see they were running pretty much clear. The girls are frankly in amazing shape all around.
- Strain specifically on the girls:
* The Cinderella Jacks are starting to stink. They smell Jack Herer-ish. The are growing sativa-like even though I turned them into bushes. Each one has an immense amount of bud sites and a good amount of side branching. This plant will be a high yielder.
* The Pineapple Express are getting BIG. Not yet budding. TONS of bud sites and side branching. They are going to also be high yielders. By far the biggest plant of all the strains in terms of both width and height. These also grow like sativas. Can't wait for these to start budding but I hope they stay in veg forever. Lol.
* The Gorilla Zkittlez is also getting stinky. She smells sweet, like candy. She is frosting up and her buds are getting very fat and dense. She is short and grows like an indica, but her buds are going to be impressive. She is beginning to shoot colors out in the buds.
* An argument could be made that the Lemons are the prettiest plants of the bunch. They are a gorgeous shade of green and the stems are almost translucently green. It's wild. They grow these stocky leaves and the plant has a sort of blueish shade to the green. I get mesmerized looking at them. They are stretching now and significantly so.
- And, yesterday, also in anticipation of the new light situation and also cuz it was time, I did a major defoliation. My idea of major is maybe lighter touch than many would use, but these girls are in the first week of budding pretty much and I want them to keep their leaves as much as possible right now. So I didn't do the bare cola thing yet, that'll be the last defoliation. But I took all the growth under all nine plants up to maybe 5 inches and cleaned up the flarfy crap that was going to start robbing energy from my real buds. Again, I took and will take no branches. Then I took what I felt was necessary at the tops to expose undergrowth to light. Many of my bud tops have the one inner leaf removed of a pair as the inner one blocks the middle growth and the outer one blocks nothing. I keep what I can. You can see the defoliation I did in the pictures.
That was a shitload of work.
SO ON TO THE PORN!!!!!!!
Photographs:
You can tell in the pictures that the outer plants are getting more red than the center row plants. Any leaves that look brownish in the pictures are a result of the red light. All my leaves are green as hell.
- Cinderella Jack 1
- Cinderella Jack 2
- Cinderella Jack 3
- Pineapple Express 1
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1
- Gorilla Zkittlez 1
- New light setup
- Intake AC setup
Day 42 (4), Day 34 (2), Day 29 (3)
I think you guys are gonna like this one...
This post has a lot of information to present, as there have been some big time changes in Autotown. Apparently my plants sued their landlord for better living conditions and actually won, so the landlord was forced to take action. Significant, life changing action for the plants. So I'll try to bullet it and keep it brief so we can get to the porn, which is SO much better with the new light.
- The new light is a full spectrum, 400 watt actual draw, quantum board (non-sponsored). Samsung diodes. Sosen drivers, 2 of them. Very thick heavy aluminum plate that surprised the crap out of me. For as little as I paid for it I expected something thinner and cheaper. The build on this light is top notch and very happy surprise. It comes with a remote control that has an on/off and a dimmer that will dim every 10% from 0 - 100%. It all works perfectly and was easy as hell to set up (thank god for my assistant). In terms of what it can put out, at 12" in the tent with the light fully cranked, the par reading in the center was 1800+!!! The thing puts out. I hung it at 18" over the tallest cola. The par reading right now dead center of the tent is 1250 or so. Because of keeping the blurples also, the par readings on the outer two rows of plants is around 1050 - 1100 par. So basically the entire canopy, all nine plants, are getting hit with a minimum of 1050 par and a maximum of 1250. That's such a gigantic upgrade from where we were that it is incomprehensible almost. You can see how the plants responded to the new setup in the pictures, in just 12 hours.
- With the new light, rather than ditch the blurples, I decided to use them both as additional reds. So I hung one on either side of the new light and am running the two of them on BLOOM only, ie, the reds. This is how I was going to do late budding anyway. With both the blurples on red that's a shitload of extra red. 586 watts worth of it to be precise. The plants now have a total of 986 watts worth of light hitting them. Nice. The reds are more concentrated on the two outer rows of plants just based on where I had to hang them, and then overlaps well into the middle from both sides. The middle row directly under the new light is getting all that full spectrum plus the overlapping reds from both sides, and the outer rows and directly under the reds and getting the full spectrum from the new light overlapping from both sides. For this reason, I put the six plants that are already budding in the outer two rows, and the three Pineapple Express who still are vegging in the middle row. So the setup now is a row of Cinderella Jacks, a row of Pineapple Express, and a row of Lemon with the one Gorilla Zkittlez in between the two Lemons.
- This was obviously going to add heat to the tent, so I also added another climate control measure - a large, powerful, oscillating, VERY EFFECTIVE fan. This thing is set at it's lowest height in the picture and it barely blows across the tops the of the buds which is perfect. As the buds grow they'll get hit more. Can raise it at will and have a foot to play with there. Three speeds. Oscillation or not oscillation. It oscillates 90 degrees, which is absolutely perfect if you have a square tent and can put it exactly in the corner - it covers everything. And it has a wireless remote. Sweet pickup that just happened to work for this tent.
- Now the beauty and effectiveness of the placement of my air intake comes into play. It's connected to AC and getting pulled into the tent with a 405 cfm intake fan, so it cranks in there. The output is aimed so it comes down right in the middle of the new light. Rolls off that plate and hits the other two lights as well, all before it gets to the plants. As a result, these lights are staying cooler than they otherwise would. I can maintain this tent at 81 degrees with full AC during the very hottest (95-100 degree) day and with all three lights cranked. That's worst case scenario. 81 is worst case? I'll take it. Really glad I tried that experiment. There's a picture to show what I did.
- So last night while I was rearranging the tent I removed all the plants and all of them got a CalMag plus Iron flush of a gallon and a half of water each, which is to about triple the runoff I would normally water to. I did this to sort of reset them before they hit the new light, and because it was due in the nute cycle, and also because I found in my first grow that when you are feeding molasses you had better rinse the roots a bit every third watering or so. The unused stuff stays in the soil which is okay, but it will make the pH a bit wonky if you don't do the rinse thing. After a gallon and a half of water I could see they were running pretty much clear. The girls are frankly in amazing shape all around.
- Strain specifically on the girls:
* The Cinderella Jacks are starting to stink. They smell Jack Herer-ish. The are growing sativa-like even though I turned them into bushes. Each one has an immense amount of bud sites and a good amount of side branching. This plant will be a high yielder.
* The Pineapple Express are getting BIG. Not yet budding. TONS of bud sites and side branching. They are going to also be high yielders. By far the biggest plant of all the strains in terms of both width and height. These also grow like sativas. Can't wait for these to start budding but I hope they stay in veg forever. Lol.
* The Gorilla Zkittlez is also getting stinky. She smells sweet, like candy. She is frosting up and her buds are getting very fat and dense. She is short and grows like an indica, but her buds are going to be impressive. She is beginning to shoot colors out in the buds.
* An argument could be made that the Lemons are the prettiest plants of the bunch. They are a gorgeous shade of green and the stems are almost translucently green. It's wild. They grow these stocky leaves and the plant has a sort of blueish shade to the green. I get mesmerized looking at them. They are stretching now and significantly so.
- And, yesterday, also in anticipation of the new light situation and also cuz it was time, I did a major defoliation. My idea of major is maybe lighter touch than many would use, but these girls are in the first week of budding pretty much and I want them to keep their leaves as much as possible right now. So I didn't do the bare cola thing yet, that'll be the last defoliation. But I took all the growth under all nine plants up to maybe 5 inches and cleaned up the flarfy crap that was going to start robbing energy from my real buds. Again, I took and will take no branches. Then I took what I felt was necessary at the tops to expose undergrowth to light. Many of my bud tops have the one inner leaf removed of a pair as the inner one blocks the middle growth and the outer one blocks nothing. I keep what I can. You can see the defoliation I did in the pictures.
That was a shitload of work.
SO ON TO THE PORN!!!!!!!
Photographs:
You can tell in the pictures that the outer plants are getting more red than the center row plants. Any leaves that look brownish in the pictures are a result of the red light. All my leaves are green as hell.
- Cinderella Jack 1
- Cinderella Jack 2
- Cinderella Jack 3
- Pineapple Express 1
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1
- Gorilla Zkittlez 1
- New light setup
- Intake AC setup
Hey @Jon Things are looking great in the garden. Love the new light.AUTOTOWN UPDATE
Day 42 (4), Day 34 (2), Day 29 (3)
I think you guys are gonna like this one...
This post has a lot of information to present, as there have been some big time changes in Autotown. Apparently my plants sued their landlord for better living conditions and actually won, so the landlord was forced to take action. Significant, life changing action for the plants. So I'll try to bullet it and keep it brief so we can get to the porn, which is SO much better with the new light.
- The new light is a full spectrum, 400 watt actual draw, quantum board (non-sponsored). Samsung diodes. Sosen drivers, 2 of them. Very thick heavy aluminum plate that surprised the crap out of me. For as little as I paid for it I expected something thinner and cheaper. The build on this light is top notch and very happy surprise. It comes with a remote control that has an on/off and a dimmer that will dim every 10% from 0 - 100%. It all works perfectly and was easy as hell to set up (thank god for my assistant). In terms of what it can put out, at 12" in the tent with the light fully cranked, the par reading in the center was 1800+!!! The thing puts out. I hung it at 18" over the tallest cola. The par reading right now dead center of the tent is 1250 or so. Because of keeping the blurples also, the par readings on the outer two rows of plants is around 1050 - 1100 par. So basically the entire canopy, all nine plants, are getting hit with a minimum of 1050 par and a maximum of 1250. That's such a gigantic upgrade from where we were that it is incomprehensible almost. You can see how the plants responded to the new setup in the pictures, in just 12 hours.
- With the new light, rather than ditch the blurples, I decided to use them both as additional reds. So I hung one on either side of the new light and am running the two of them on BLOOM only, ie, the reds. This is how I was going to do late budding anyway. With both the blurples on red that's a shitload of extra red. 586 watts worth of it to be precise. The plants now have a total of 986 watts worth of light hitting them. Nice. The reds are more concentrated on the two outer rows of plants just based on where I had to hang them, and then overlaps well into the middle from both sides. The middle row directly under the new light is getting all that full spectrum plus the overlapping reds from both sides, and the outer rows and directly under the reds and getting the full spectrum from the new light overlapping from both sides. For this reason, I put the six plants that are already budding in the outer two rows, and the three Pineapple Express who still are vegging in the middle row. So the setup now is a row of Cinderella Jacks, a row of Pineapple Express, and a row of Lemon with the one Gorilla Zkittlez in between the two Lemons.
- This was obviously going to add heat to the tent, so I also added another climate control measure - a large, powerful, oscillating, VERY EFFECTIVE fan. This thing is set at it's lowest height in the picture and it barely blows across the tops the of the buds which is perfect. As the buds grow they'll get hit more. Can raise it at will and have a foot to play with there. Three speeds. Oscillation or not oscillation. It oscillates 90 degrees, which is absolutely perfect if you have a square tent and can put it exactly in the corner - it covers everything. And it has a wireless remote. Sweet pickup that just happened to work for this tent.
- Now the beauty and effectiveness of the placement of my air intake comes into play. It's connected to AC and getting pulled into the tent with a 405 cfm intake fan, so it cranks in there. The output is aimed so it comes down right in the middle of the new light. Rolls off that plate and hits the other two lights as well, all before it gets to the plants. As a result, these lights are staying cooler than they otherwise would. I can maintain this tent at 81 degrees with full AC during the very hottest (95-100 degree) day and with all three lights cranked. That's worst case scenario. 81 is worst case? I'll take it. Really glad I tried that experiment. There's a picture to show what I did.
- So last night while I was rearranging the tent I removed all the plants and all of them got a CalMag plus Iron flush of a gallon and a half of water each, which is to about triple the runoff I would normally water to. I did this to sort of reset them before they hit the new light, and because it was due in the nute cycle, and also because I found in my first grow that when you are feeding molasses you had better rinse the roots a bit every third watering or so. The unused stuff stays in the soil which is okay, but it will make the pH a bit wonky if you don't do the rinse thing. After a gallon and a half of water I could see they were running pretty much clear. The girls are frankly in amazing shape all around.
- Strain specifically on the girls:
* The Cinderella Jacks are starting to stink. They smell Jack Herer-ish. The are growing sativa-like even though I turned them into bushes. Each one has an immense amount of bud sites and a good amount of side branching. This plant will be a high yielder.
* The Pineapple Express are getting BIG. Not yet budding. TONS of bud sites and side branching. They are going to also be high yielders. By far the biggest plant of all the strains in terms of both width and height. These also grow like sativas. Can't wait for these to start budding but I hope they stay in veg forever. Lol.
* The Gorilla Zkittlez is also getting stinky. She smells sweet, like candy. She is frosting up and her buds are getting very fat and dense. She is short and grows like an indica, but her buds are going to be impressive. She is beginning to shoot colors out in the buds.
* An argument could be made that the Lemons are the prettiest plants of the bunch. They are a gorgeous shade of green and the stems are almost translucently green. It's wild. They grow these stocky leaves and the plant has a sort of blueish shade to the green. I get mesmerized looking at them. They are stretching now and significantly so.
- And, yesterday, also in anticipation of the new light situation and also cuz it was time, I did a major defoliation. My idea of major is maybe lighter touch than many would use, but these girls are in the first week of budding pretty much and I want them to keep their leaves as much as possible right now. So I didn't do the bare cola thing yet, that'll be the last defoliation. But I took all the growth under all nine plants up to maybe 5 inches and cleaned up the flarfy crap that was going to start robbing energy from my real buds. Again, I took and will take no branches. Then I took what I felt was necessary at the tops to expose undergrowth to light. Many of my bud tops have the one inner leaf removed of a pair as the inner one blocks the middle growth and the outer one blocks nothing. I keep what I can. You can see the defoliation I did in the pictures.
That was a shitload of work.
SO ON TO THE PORN!!!!!!!
Photographs:
You can tell in the pictures that the outer plants are getting more red than the center row plants. Any leaves that look brownish in the pictures are a result of the red light. All my leaves are green as hell.
- Cinderella Jack 1
- Cinderella Jack 2
- Cinderella Jack 3
- Pineapple Express 1
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1
- Gorilla Zkittlez 1
- New light setup
- Intake AC setup
Imo you should run both phases on your light.
The girls need the extra spectrum of the blues and especially white for max growth. Fantastic looking setup you have now.
You mentioned it was an economical purchase, do you mind if I ask how much?
Bill
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$360 delivered in two days.
I hear you on the full spectrum, but first I tested with just the new light, which is all full spectrum. I could use that alone and it would be a huge upgrade and finish the buds awesomely. With just the board, the par numbers at 18" were 1100 in the middle and 900 on the edges. Which is PLENTY of full spectrum. So the reds are really just supplemental reds. All the plants are getting TONS of full spectrum, PLUS the reds. That is my understanding of one way you can max your bud yield using light spectrums. Yeah Bill, I'm shocked with this light. Ask me privately if you want specifics.
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Phototown Update
Day 53 Veg
The girls in Phototown continue their upward trajectory towards the screen and I continue to tie the main colas out to let the new growth in the middle rev up. I don't have much to say about these guys as their conditions are going to stay just where they are until I flip them. I have a new fan coming later today and built a cool setup for it which I'll show after I get it in. But for today, the focus was on showing the new growth in each plant.
Bet you guys are psyched for a short post for a change. Lmao.
Photographs:
- The Pineapple Upside Down Cake twins
- Jelly Rancher 1
- Jelly Rancher 2
- Blueberry Muffin
- Oh yeah, couldn't fit in the auto update post, but here's a closeup of a Gorilla Zkittlez auto bud
Day 53 Veg
The girls in Phototown continue their upward trajectory towards the screen and I continue to tie the main colas out to let the new growth in the middle rev up. I don't have much to say about these guys as their conditions are going to stay just where they are until I flip them. I have a new fan coming later today and built a cool setup for it which I'll show after I get it in. But for today, the focus was on showing the new growth in each plant.
Bet you guys are psyched for a short post for a change. Lmao.
Photographs:
- The Pineapple Upside Down Cake twins
- Jelly Rancher 1
- Jelly Rancher 2
- Blueberry Muffin
- Oh yeah, couldn't fit in the auto update post, but here's a closeup of a Gorilla Zkittlez auto bud
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Oh yeah, didn't have space for the new fan pic either. Here it is.
Looking great, nice job on the manifolding. Do you do that to autos or just let them be?Phototown Update
Day 53 Veg
The girls in Phototown continue their upward trajectory towards the screen and I continue to tie the main colas out to let the new growth in the middle rev up. I don't have much to say about these guys as their conditions are going to stay just where they are until I flip them. I have a new fan coming later today and built a cool setup for it which I'll show after I get it in. But for today, the focus was on showing the new growth in each plant.
Bet you guys are psyched for a short post for a change. Lmao.
Photographs:
- The Pineapple Upside Down Cake twins
- Jelly Rancher 1
- Jelly Rancher 2
- Blueberry Muffin
- Oh yeah, couldn't fit in the auto update post, but here's a closeup of a Gorilla Zkittlez auto bud
Bill
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By the way, the other thing about using the blurples on full spectrum with the new quantum board (I tried it) is that I cannot keep the tent below 86 degrees even with max AC cuz the whites add so much heat. 86 is obviously way too hot for budding, so thus, reds only.
86 is high for sure, I understand now your thinking. Better to have some light at 76 degrees than full at 86 degrees.
Bill
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Well, yeah, that, but also they literally get more full spectrum than they even need with or without the blurples. This is my first try at supplemental reds even though I kind of lucked into it. I used the reds only on my first grow but only for the last ten days or so before harvest, I used full spectrum until then. I agree with you completely that using just reds for all of budding, even though people do it, is a losing proposition. And I could crank the light down on the quantum board to whatever level necessary to allow me to use the blurples at full spectrum, but I have to crank it down to like 30-40% (I tested that too). At that level the middle row drops to like 600 par. I can't have that. My seedlings got WAY more par than that, lol. So it is what it is. I suspect the plethora of the reds is going to help the buds a lot, but we'll see. I'm flying blind here, or maybe slightly better than blind. Lol.86 is high for sure, I understand now your thinking. Better to have some light at 76 degrees than full at 86 degrees.
Bill
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Well, all I can tell you is that with the whites on my blurples raise the tent temperature 10 degrees, and with just the reds on they only raise it 4 degrees. And my reds are only "far reds," no IR. Even my new $1100 light has only a few IR bulbs. That tells me most of the heat comes from the whites. Whether that is blurple specific or not I don't know. These blurples, and many, use 10 watt leds. Those are garbage. No spectrum projection, way inefficient, and they get way hot. They'll burn your plants at 16 inches sometimes, regardless of how powerful they are. New and quality LEDs rarely use even 5 watt leds, and usually 1s and 3s. Way more efficient. Way less heat. And usually these lights have more far red and infared. But even if they do, or even if you use supplemental red lighting with bar lights or something, just stick your hand or a thermometer under the light using BLOOM/VEG, and then compare it to just using VEG (reds). The difference is dramatic.
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Hey @Bill284 I've been thinking about this comment some more, and I may have a compromise that both me and the plants will appreciate. When it rains or is overcast here, I close the door to the house and open the garage door. I always want wherever the colder air is coming from (AC'ed house air versus outside air) to be the air feeding the tents. That said, there are a couple days a week and pretty much anytime from midnight to 8 am, regardless of weather, where I could probably get away with the full spectrum on the blurples without overheating the tent. So maybe I could just flip the VEG switch back on anytime it's cool enough, and go back to the reds when it gets too warm. That way they'd be getting more full spectrum but still plenty of red, as probably I could only run the full spectrum around 30% of the time. Certainly that would help. But it begs a few questions in my mind.
- is there any chance flipping them back and forth between reds and full spectrum at odd times and with no discernible pattern could screw the plants up at all? Seems like a harmless enough thing, but I wonder about consistency and it's value, and I wonder about pretty much constantly changing the light they are getting for four hours here, six hours there. You know what I mean?
- to do as I describe above would significantly impact my sleep schedule, and the amount of times I go to the garage "just to check temperatures." If I were to do it that way, the timers on the lights become a bit irrelevant - I'd obviously keep them on and keep the same overall light schedule (22/2), but I'd be too nervous on a hot night or whatever to not be checking every half an hour or something. Feel me? Which is to say it adds yet another layer of pain in the ass and stress to a two tent, 14 plant grow that is already pretty much all I can handle. So the question is, do you believe that if I were to be able to run those blurples full spectrum maybe 30% of the time and the reds 70% of the time it would make enough of a difference that I'd notice it when I smoked the end game? Or in terms of yield?
Appreciate your help my man! Thanks!
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Thanks @Bill284. You use the word "manifolding." Is that what I have done here? I thought I just topped them, pulled the main colas to the outside, and kept them as far to the outside and as evenly spaced as I could since day one. Is that what manifolding is? I thought it was more involved than that.
With the autos I did what I considered LST. When they were tall enough I pulled the main shoot to the edge of the pot. Not horizontally or anything, just as far as it would go. That exposed a bunch of growth just by itself. After that, as they grew out, I used skewers to try and get the branches to go as much like a clock face as I could. The thing is that I found that with the autos, they move so fast and they bush out with new growth so much, that it's kind of a challenge to do that if, like me, you then try to equalize the spacing on any new growth too. I just kept that process up every day. Probably spent an hour a day just on that. And then I also was not shy about removing any top growth fan leaves, even if they were still real small, if they were blocking any new growth/bud site in the slightest way. 75% of that I was able to accomplish with tucking, I'm not talking about any official defoliation or anything. Just if they blocked a site. Now that they're at the screen and through, the plants that are still vegging are very easy to fill the spaces. Hell, I bet I could grow two of these Pineapple Express autos and FILL this five by five in a scrog. May even try that. I didn't put the screen in until they started budding, it's really just for support/separation, although I used it as a mini scrog screen on the Pineapples a bit cuz they were large enough to actually do that.
What if you just ran new light at full and did away with blurples. Would that drop temp?
I'm not sure you can see or taste the difference with light spectrum.
Bill
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That's the plan if it gets hot. Yes that would drop the temps for sure.
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Hey @Bill284 - this is the spectrum of the new light. As you can see it is lacking in reds. This light is probably going to be perfect in the future for vegging, based on this spectrum, but it needs better reds for budding. Thus - again - the blurple reds. You understand I'm not arguing with you, just presenting stuff cuz you got me thinking, right? Lol.
I realize don't worry, we are just trying to figure out what is best for you.Hey @Bill284 - this is the spectrum of the new light. As you can see it is lacking in reds. This light is probably going to be perfect in the future for vegging, based on this spectrum, but it needs better reds for budding. Thus - again - the blurple reds. You understand I'm not arguing with you, just presenting stuff cuz you got me thinking, right? Lol.
What I have found is light company reviews are more accurate if done by a third party. Doesn't mean that review is incorrect. Just take the review with a grain of salt. Theoreticaly its accurate if so it should be fine with both turned on.
Good luck with the awesome new light Jon!