Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

Hey Guys, @Emilya, @StoneOtter, @Bill284, @Grand Daddy Black, @Michael Hunt, @Ivumlov, @Bud love, @Backlipslide, @Virgin Ground and anyone else I forgot, I wanted to reach out directly if y'all don't mind - I try not to make it a habit. I'm looking for a little help in terms of expectations. I attached the same photo from the update post. A picture from this evening. The distance from the colas to the sceen is maybe 8-9 inches.

So my plan/thoughts on actions at this point between now and when they flip to 12/12 is kind of this:

- The plants will all get their first true full watering next time they need watering, which will be a couple/three days. They will have been in the fives almost 10 days by then. Does this sound about right or should I wait longer and continue to water just the sides for a while yet?
- I am removing no more anything in terms of leaves on the Jelly Ranchers or the Blueberry Muffin, as they were the three that took the brunt of my early burn. You can see in the pic that the lower left plant, the JR who got the worst hit of all for whatever reason, is still working it out on some leaves. Lol. She'll be fine now. But as a result the growth along the stems is smaller than it should be and I had to remove much more in the middle cuz it was dead or dying. Basically I'm down leaves on those three plants. So I'm gonna let them go. The Pineapples, on the other hand, are so goddamn bushy that I actually took two little leaves from the middles of each today cuz she was getting choke-y in there. I want air moving THROUGH the plant. Anyway, so my targeted six week defoliation is altered by that and by the fact that that DUMB mistake stalled them a whole week easy. Defoliation will just have to happen as it becomes necessary and not before in all cases is the bottom line. I'm kind of hoping to do zero more until I do the big defol under the canopy before I flip. Does that sound logical? It's not like I'm blocking bud sites or anything. My intuition/logic is telling me to let them leaf the hell up now as much as possible. Yes?
- I switched out of the Fox Farms Grow Big altogether, as it's 6-4-4 and even after I reduced it drastically when I restarted the plants after flushing, they still didn't like it too much. I came to the conclusion I needed something gentler so for the remainder of veg I'm using Botanicare Pro Grow for Veg. It's 3-2-4 and considered organic in 49 states. (not Cali, lol) They had one application at 50% so far and seem to enjoy it. I don't think I need to add any other nutes to the veg regimen (which isn't terribly much longer anyway) and I can run it with the Tiger Bloom once budding starts for the first two weeks in place of the Grow Big as recommended. I know how to manage the Tiger Bloom from my first grow, and thanks for the yellow tip post @Emilya, that was awesome. Anyway, I assume at some point some of you have used or use nutrients and likely these. Does this sound logical?
- So the plants begin to grow through the screen and I begin running them under the screen to force them to grow horizontally to fill the screen. I tuck new growth/shoots under the screen as well as they come. Everything. And I target filling it evenly. I sort of get all that in concept, no problem. Here's the part I'm most curious and least informed about. My plants when they hit the screen will have to be in the final spots (I have them centered until then as long as they have air flow). That will be like the five of a die. No other logical way to do it, right? I am thinking an equally spaced five just like a die. I can't think of any advantage to say, starting them all as close to the middle and working the screen outwards, as it seems that would compromise air flow and crowd them. Equally spaced is best, yes? My questions are all about the way to fill the screen the best. How do I prompt the branches to go, as in, what directions do I send them? It's easy enough to divide the screen into five equal squares (if I were diagramming it, say) centered on each plant and fill those squares first with what I have, right? Or should I be running the main colas as far from the plant as possible before the flip? You see where I'm going with this? I have no idea what growth is going to move more quickly and what's going to be the last to the screen, or how often I will have a new shoot to run, or anything like that. I've seen all the videos. Does anyone have a logical pattern or course of action to suggest based on my "five" shaped starting point? Also, the screen has 361 holes, 19x19. Anyone have any thoughts on how many of those I should be able to realistically hope to fill based on what you see? Cuz I will keep these girls in veg as long as is necessary to fill this screen with as many buds as possible, with the understanding that I fill the screen 70-75% before flipping. So any help on any of these fronts is greatly appreciated.

Those are the main things I'm concerned with between now and the flip. I really appreciate any help you guys have, especially since I am probably perceived as long winded. Thanks for bearing with me. Lol. Sorry, just a newbie trying to be clear. Ha.

Happy holiday everyone, and thanks.

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Those plants look great
 
appreciate the tag man.. not so sure I should be tagged with such esteemed company though dude. I’m a 4th division player:)
Those guys in the prem.:)
Peace to ya.. looks brill mate.
LOL. Wow man, I totally appreciate what you're saying and I completely dig the humility. I feel the same way talking to these guys! Every one of them is WAY out of my league! BUT....I learned a long time ago that the only way to learn from the REAL players, whatever it is you're trying to learn, is to get over any intimidation or hesitancy you may feel due to the experience gap and speak to them as equals and simply ask for and appreciate the help. I find that when people are sincerely appreciative that these guys are happy to help us. The karma that the experienced growers on here exhibit is amazing to me. So I get what you're saying, and I had to get over the "hero worship" (lol, as I call it to myself) thing before I began to interact with the real experienced guys. The first time I started a "private" conversation with @Emilya I felt like I was trying to grab an audience with Cleopatra or something, lmao! As far as who I tagged, I tagged the people who to my observation are following my journal more closely than others regardless of experience level. At the end of the day my friend we are all human beings and we all live on Earth. Everything else is bullshit. Ha!
 
I was thinking that too.. you must be able to type as quick as you think it. :)
:yahoo:I mean, there's probably slower typists out there I guess....but I do have the advantage of typing for a living.....you'd be pretty quick too if you did it four hours a day five days a week for work....
 
It's cool Bill, I like when we ask one another questions to help us get to actually "know" one another as much as possible in this venue. I work from home on the computer cuz the wheelchair, and you're in the right ballpark I suppose - I am an at home editor for a company that prints college textbooks for classes and shit. So I read books, edit them, proof them, and make suggestions here and there if I believe they would add value. The part about that that never stops making me laugh is that the company prints only RELIGIOUS books for religion departments in college. The owner of the company is one of the country's most respected theologians - he was part of the team that Jimmy Carter sent to Iran to try and connect with the religious end of the hostage takers when they had like 400+ of our people. Remember that? It didn't work, but trust me, only heavy hitters were in that group. He went on to found the Religion Department at Temple University in Philly where I'm from. Now he heads this company and many of our books were written by him. What's funny is that I am the LEAST religious person you will ever meet, without getting into atheism and all that. So to be constantly reviewing these kinds of books is pretty hilarious to me. I was an English/philosophy major at Penn in the 80's and have always had it in my head that at some point I may just take a shot at writing a book. I don't find my writing anything noteworthy, but people tell me it is sometimes, as you have. Thanks so much for the kind words, they are greatly appreciated. I am also a professional musician and have been playing the bass, primarily in high-end Dead cover bands (I'm an old school Deadhead with 150 shows under my belt before Jerry died), since 1991. I had to relearn that skill after my accident, but now it is pretty funny when I show up in a bar in my wheelchair and people automatically take note of that sort of thing, and then when that same guy in the chair gets up on the stage and starts playing the bass on a reasonably high level, the looks on their faces are priceless!

So nothing's free in this world, my friend. There's more than you asked about me. Would it be fair to ask for a little on Mr. Bill? I have the same understanding as you regarding anonymity so I get it if you don't want to.

Cheers!
Wow! Thanks for sharing. You may or may not know my story but you have inspired me!
 
Wow! Thanks for sharing. You may or may not know my story but you have inspired me!
Do tell my friend. Nothing wrong with a little interpersonal interaction within the context of a grow journal, right? I am sure our esteemed moderators will tell us if we need to get the hell back on topic. Lol!
 
:yahoo:I mean, there's probably slower typists out there I guess....but I do have the advantage of typing for a living.....you'd be pretty quick too if you did it four hours a day five days a week for work....
I cheat and use voice text LOL. Otherwise I would never get done but I have to go back and read carefully because sometimes Siri does not hear me correctly or I don’t annunciate a lot of my words very well.
 
Haha very kind, not likely though. I grow in living organic soil. No nutes to feed. It's all in the soil mix and a few teas along the way.
You will be one of my go to's then. That's my next upgrade - living soil/teas. No chemicals. Probably need a new locale for that but it's on the horizon.
 
Do tell my friend. Nothing wrong with a little interpersonal interaction within the context of a grow journal, right? I am sure our esteemed moderators will tell us if we need to get the hell back on topic. Lol!
I don’t mind sharing but it should probably go into a private email if you’re interested
 
You will be one of my go to's then. That's my next upgrade - living soil/teas. No chemicals. Probably need a new locale for that but it's on the horizon.
My next grow is going to be completely organic and I’m going to use Foxfarm happy frog and Ocean Forest and geoflora nutrients with some extra worm castings along the way.
 
Nice one @Jon . I’m feeling like feckin Ned Flanders.bit of humility’s alright . But jeez.. everyone’s so polite , it’s kinda nice to join in:)
But fme.:)
Is that more real dude.?
Lol! I was being sincere man, not ragging on you! And dude, F ME too. I almost killed two of my five plants with my earlier dumb rookie mistake. I don't know shit. I just know how to read and follow directions.

If you and I do that with these guys' help, we will both be growing primo weed before we know it.
 
Once I went there I never looked back. It's the easiest and maybe the cheapest in the long run for me. Sure!
Cheapest cuz you aren't buying new soil every time, right? My buddy in Oregon grows the same way as you on 4 greenhouses scale and he says he hasn't changed his soil in a decade.
 
Cheapest cuz you aren't buying new soil every time, right? My buddy in Oregon grows the same way as you on 4 greenhouses scale and he says he hasn't changed his soil in a decade.
Yes, and no nutes to buy every grow. I have a shelf of amendments in the grow room worth a few hundred dollars I suppose but when one thing runs low it's 15 to 20 $ to replace it and might last for years. Barrels of cooking/cooked soil need a place too. It's not for everyone but I like it a lot.
 
Yes, and no nutes to buy every grow. I have a shelf of amendments in the grow room worth a few hundred dollars I suppose but when one thing runs low it's 15 to 20 $ to replace it and might last for years. Barrels of cooking/cooked soil need a place too. It's not for everyone but I like it a lot.
What does cooked soil smell like when it comes out of the barrel??
 
What does cooked soil smell like when it comes out of the barrel??
Oh man! It smells like the best day ever! I don't know, like rich soil does, natural and nice. It makes me have a good feeling when I have a smell. Sorry, not very to the point but it's like an out in nature like experience I can't explain well.
 
Hey @Jon i hope all is well in your house man :meditate:
Glad to see you got the answers you were looking for. Being a hydro grower and having only used a screen once (the success of said screen is arguable lol) i really dont know how much help i would be. You research far more than i do and probably wouldn't want my “seat of the pants” advice :laugh: Thats what’s doing most of my driving these days lol. As usual, the garden looks awesome and keep rockin on :headbanger:
 
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