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Oh, why didn't you say so? Lol. ??
Jon's New Pared Down Setup Soil Grow: 3 Photo & 1 Auto With New Dedicated Auto Rig
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Slurricane Update of a Different Sort
Grow Day 113
Flower Day 53
FALL COLORS SPECIAL
Well, I'm tired of posting pictures of buds, and the Slurricane was ready for a post like this.
Let's look at some pretty fall colors today!
1-8: Leaf shots from the Slurricane
9: My already selected tester Slurricane bud when the time comes. This is still attached to the plant and is literally the only flarfy bud. I left it on purpose exactly for this reason and have been watching it to see if she'll be a decent tester bud. I'm thinking she'll be okay.
10: You didn't think I'd do a whole post without one sweet bud picture, did you? This is NOT a tester bud. Lol. So find the largest fan leaf in this picture, it's in the top middle. Now look underneath that leaf about an inch, and right in the center of the bud. See that outcropping that is just DRENCHED in trichomes? Nice trich pocket.
Grow Day 113
Flower Day 53
FALL COLORS SPECIAL
Well, I'm tired of posting pictures of buds, and the Slurricane was ready for a post like this.
Let's look at some pretty fall colors today!
1-8: Leaf shots from the Slurricane
9: My already selected tester Slurricane bud when the time comes. This is still attached to the plant and is literally the only flarfy bud. I left it on purpose exactly for this reason and have been watching it to see if she'll be a decent tester bud. I'm thinking she'll be okay.
10: You didn't think I'd do a whole post without one sweet bud picture, did you? This is NOT a tester bud. Lol. So find the largest fan leaf in this picture, it's in the top middle. Now look underneath that leaf about an inch, and right in the center of the bud. See that outcropping that is just DRENCHED in trichomes? Nice trich pocket.
I'm sorry and thanks Jon, I really appreciate that for the exhaustive information and I'll definitely look at the others you recommended. I understand the principle of LTS at how many knots do you start recently? I tried it recently and it happened to me that I broke three branches on two plants on a hulk. Thanks again
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Hey Kanno - not sure what you mean by knots, but I get the impression from the rest of the post that you are talking about supercropping? If you broke three branches that is probably what you mean, yes? If so, the answer is zero. I did no supercropping to any of these plants to create the canopy. The ONLY thing close to supercropping I did, and I may have referred to it as such, was the minor league bending of center little buds to steer a few of those and attempt to even out the inside of my rings. It worked very well on the Ghost Train Haze in particular - check out how evenly spaced the central buds are on her. But that was minimal. It sounds like you're referring to using that method as your way to spread the branches out. You can certainly make that work, a lot of folks do. I prefer to use that technique as more of a tweaking thing, and use just spreading, bending, and staking without breaking any cell walls and such as my base method, with the supercropping only as necessary.
That said, I will likely do more of it in the future. I'm finding, as many do, that when one supercrops a branch one often gets new growth from the "knot." There are some specialists in this method on here who do it religiously and increase their yields like crazy, and I know many people who are setting their plants up for the installation of their scrog screen use it to help shape/prep the plant the way they want it for the screen. So there's a ton of uses for it, I just feel I need to be more comfortable with my base of knowledge on it before I go crazy using the method.
Does that help and answer your question?
I meant when the plant starts to grow so on what floor are you starting to prune and with LTS? Nodes I meant the floors of the plant
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Phototown
Grow Day 114
Flower Day 54
Grow Day 114
Flower Day 54
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You Guys Will LOVE This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So in the mornings I open the doors to the tent up to let it get back up to temperature and proper RH. It's part of the morning routine since the weather changed. Otherwise they don't get back to the 70s for a couple hours, versus like 20 minutes when I open the doors. I leave them open until it's about 76 inside, then close them up and turn the AC on, which brings it down to around 70.
This morning I opened the tent, then went out back to put the outdoor plants outside, and when I came back to check the tent, I found I had a guest. I got SUPER lucky and he posed for me long enough to get this photograph, which I absolutely love.
Of course, this is just my luck - the way it is here, this is the one bee in all of this area who spent time on a male weed plant right before he came to my place, and he's pollinating my Ghost Train Haze as we speak. Lol. If I find a seed I am going to be one pissed off dude. LMAO. I dispatched him immediately after this picture was taken and closed up the tent. As if heat, humidity, and everything else aren't enough already. Now I have bees.
Enjoy! I hope you guys like this as much as I do!
So in the mornings I open the doors to the tent up to let it get back up to temperature and proper RH. It's part of the morning routine since the weather changed. Otherwise they don't get back to the 70s for a couple hours, versus like 20 minutes when I open the doors. I leave them open until it's about 76 inside, then close them up and turn the AC on, which brings it down to around 70.
This morning I opened the tent, then went out back to put the outdoor plants outside, and when I came back to check the tent, I found I had a guest. I got SUPER lucky and he posed for me long enough to get this photograph, which I absolutely love.
Of course, this is just my luck - the way it is here, this is the one bee in all of this area who spent time on a male weed plant right before he came to my place, and he's pollinating my Ghost Train Haze as we speak. Lol. If I find a seed I am going to be one pissed off dude. LMAO. I dispatched him immediately after this picture was taken and closed up the tent. As if heat, humidity, and everything else aren't enough already. Now I have bees.
Enjoy! I hope you guys like this as much as I do!
cjsbabygirl313
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Lol - he knows where to come for the GOOD STUFF!You Guys Will LOVE This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So in the mornings I open the doors to the tent up to let it get back up to temperature and proper RH. It's part of the morning routine since the weather changed. Otherwise they don't get back to the 70s for a couple hours, versus like 20 minutes when I open the doors. I leave them open until it's about 76 inside, then close them up and turn the AC on, which brings it down to around 70.
This morning I opened the tent, then went out back to put the outdoor plants outside, and when I came back to check the tent, I found I had a guest. I got SUPER lucky and he posed for me long enough to get this photograph, which I absolutely love.
Of course, this is just my luck - the way it is here, this is the one bee in all of this area who spent time on a male weed plant right before he came to my place, and he's pollinating my Ghost Train Haze as we speak. Lol. If I find a seed I am going to be one pissed off dude. LMAO. I dispatched him immediately after this picture was taken and closed up the tent. As if heat, humidity, and everything else aren't enough already. Now I have bees.
Enjoy! I hope you guys like this as much as I do!
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MORNING BUZZ
NTH
NTH
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Wish I'd have come up with that for the banner!
Now that's a photo of the month entry if I've ever seen one!
Beautiful
Beautiful
BubbaKush909
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Hi Jon! I'm just skimming to catch up but it looks like you are rapidly mastering your skills. I'm so impressed and you should give yourself a big pat on the back. I can't believe the colors on the Ghost Haze! When I saw the bee I thought the same thing, hope it's not carrying pollen but hopefully it's too far along for any harm even if it was.
Sorry to be awol, busy times here playing nurse for the gf. We were supposed to go to Vegas this weekend as a reward for all her pain and suffering but instead she's having back surgery on Monday so we aren't going anywhere.
I've also not been around because my grow was so depressing. Out of 7 plants 4 were total crap, 1 was ok and the last 2 ended up a solid B but with much room for improvement. My last auto went 14 weeks of flower with no amber. I finally just chopped it and it's pretty good but not great. Last was the only photo I grew, I chopped it at 65 days with almost no amber showing but it's a bit better than any of the autos, and it's the only one that was actually dank and pretty sticky. To steal from U2 I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
Most frustrating of all is I'm still not sure about my lights. Thanks to your advice I replaced the Bestva 10w led's with the viparspectra's. I believe the 10w's really damaged the buds. The last 2 (and best) plants in my grow spent the least amount of time under them. I also supplemented the new lights with a few 9w GE red led bulbs towards the end of flower when I wasn't seeing any amber. At least I'm now confident the new lights won't hurt the plants. I hope so, I've now dropped around $700 on lights and really don't want to spend any more. I'm hoping worst case I'll just need some better red lights. (you warned me the red spectrum on the vipars looked deficient).
Since the Vegas trip is off I'm gonna try again. A small grow of 3 autos - Gelato, Zkittles & Wedding Cake. I don't think I've ever had any of them.
This finally brings me to my question, were you happy with the sohum soil? I have a whole lot of your journal to go through but was hoping you'd summarize your thoughts for me. The GF will have to look after things for a week when I'm away for Xmas, so things need to be as simple as possible. Like just add ph'd water and calmag if needed.
There's no way she'd be able to mix conventional nutes like I did last grow.
Thanks my friend, take care and keep up the great growing!
Sorry to be awol, busy times here playing nurse for the gf. We were supposed to go to Vegas this weekend as a reward for all her pain and suffering but instead she's having back surgery on Monday so we aren't going anywhere.
I've also not been around because my grow was so depressing. Out of 7 plants 4 were total crap, 1 was ok and the last 2 ended up a solid B but with much room for improvement. My last auto went 14 weeks of flower with no amber. I finally just chopped it and it's pretty good but not great. Last was the only photo I grew, I chopped it at 65 days with almost no amber showing but it's a bit better than any of the autos, and it's the only one that was actually dank and pretty sticky. To steal from U2 I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
Most frustrating of all is I'm still not sure about my lights. Thanks to your advice I replaced the Bestva 10w led's with the viparspectra's. I believe the 10w's really damaged the buds. The last 2 (and best) plants in my grow spent the least amount of time under them. I also supplemented the new lights with a few 9w GE red led bulbs towards the end of flower when I wasn't seeing any amber. At least I'm now confident the new lights won't hurt the plants. I hope so, I've now dropped around $700 on lights and really don't want to spend any more. I'm hoping worst case I'll just need some better red lights. (you warned me the red spectrum on the vipars looked deficient).
Since the Vegas trip is off I'm gonna try again. A small grow of 3 autos - Gelato, Zkittles & Wedding Cake. I don't think I've ever had any of them.
This finally brings me to my question, were you happy with the sohum soil? I have a whole lot of your journal to go through but was hoping you'd summarize your thoughts for me. The GF will have to look after things for a week when I'm away for Xmas, so things need to be as simple as possible. Like just add ph'd water and calmag if needed.
There's no way she'd be able to mix conventional nutes like I did last grow.
Thanks my friend, take care and keep up the great growing!
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Yo BK909, good to hear from you. Sorry about Vegas. Hope the girl is okay with the back surgery. You're a good man, Charlie Brown. Way to take care of those you love.
First, I wouldn't worry too much about your lights at this point. The VSs with those reds you have will do just fine. Especially for three autos, it's perfect. If it were me, I would engage those red bulbs the first day you start to see actual buds, and run them both and the VSs the entirety of flower. You will most likely get significantly more resin and terpenes that way.
I have a Gelato auto now I'm almost ready to harvest, she and the others are on Day 67. The Gelato is very productive and largish auto. She's stinky. Dense buds. Good solid plant that eats more calmag than most, so watch that with her. I also have a Zkittlez auto growing now, in a 7, outdoors. (it's Gorilla Zkittlez, but same thing). Also a largish plant with dense, super sweet tasting, fruity buds that get super colorful and make big, indica-like colas. You will LOVE the Zkittlez, and it's a high THC auto too. My first one came out okay, it was my first ever auto. This one is crushing life in the Sohum and outdoors. Can't speak yet to Wedding Cake, it's on the list.
Which brings me to Sohum. YES, USE IT. It's amazing for autos. Photos too, my Slurricane is in Sohum. But the autos do exceptionally well in it. And it couldn't be easier. Just water at 6.3 ph. That's it. They'll stay green the whole grow, get very frosty, and grow at a great rate. They'll also stink in Sohum and be very tasty. I just harvested two Sour Apples recently, one was the outdoor spent soil one and the other in Sohum. The Sohum plant tasted much better. No nutes. Just an occasional cal mag shot. I just read the plants with the calmag. If they need it, give it. If they don't, don't. It's easy to tell, you will see yellowing and not as green as the leaves should be, maybe with some spotting that looks like rust kind of. But that's it. I give a few "boosts" which I can suggest and help you with when the time comes if you like, but they're not necessary, the Sohum will do just fine.
Your other SUPER EASY option is to go GeoFlora. That's painfully easy too, just top dress the soil every two weeks and keep them watered at 6.3. The Geo nutes are amazing and I'm sold for life on them already, check out my two big outdoor photos in bud, they're both in FF soil with Geo nutes. SO EASY.
Either of those will give you amazing results compared to what you described in this last try.
One thing, and this is very important - You can NOT plant your seedlings into straight Sohum. You have to use a system that's super easy where you use a regular soil/Sohum blend up top, straight Sohum on the bottom, and a cylinder of regular soil down the center of the pot. I got it off of an experienced grower on youtube after watching about a dozen different videos on ways around the not planting directly in the Sohum thing. I've used it since and it works amazingly well. I can also coach/talk/guide you through that if you like, and there's also a demo of it in the very beginning of the journal somewhere.
So I hope that answers your questions and is somewhat helpful. I'm here if there's anything I can help you with, and don't forget that almost everyone (the few, lol) who you see commenting on my stuff is someone who dwarfs me as a grower, and you might benefit a lot from checking out some of these guy's magic too.
BubbaKush909
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Thanks Jon that's exactly the info I was looking for! Do you also need to supplement the geoflora with calmag? Is geoflora a liquid? I've got enough happy frog soil for this grow so perhaps the geoflora is a better option right now. How would you compare dankness and smell between the geoflora and sohum? I'm gonna make a run to the local hydro store later and see what they've got.
Possibly because of my deficient feeding & lights, but I've found that 3 gal containers seem more than adequate for the autos. Even the photo gold leaf I just harvested, which yielded 7.5 z's, didn't completely fill up a 5 gal grow bag with roots. I'm asking because I could easily grow a 4th plant in that space if I went back to the 3 gals. Do you think that would hurt the yield?
Thanks again my friend. PS is your frog still around (or was it a toad?)
PSS it's so funny to hear you gearing up for an outdoor grow in September. We've had snow already.
Possibly because of my deficient feeding & lights, but I've found that 3 gal containers seem more than adequate for the autos. Even the photo gold leaf I just harvested, which yielded 7.5 z's, didn't completely fill up a 5 gal grow bag with roots. I'm asking because I could easily grow a 4th plant in that space if I went back to the 3 gals. Do you think that would hurt the yield?
Thanks again my friend. PS is your frog still around (or was it a toad?)
PSS it's so funny to hear you gearing up for an outdoor grow in September. We've had snow already.
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Heh. Not gearing up, well underway with bud porn and everything, the outdoor grow. Check out the First Outdoor Grow journal if you want to see it. 19 plants.
GeoFlora has Cal and Mag in it, and I have not supplemented the outdoor plants once. I did cal mag the autos in Geo one time just cuz they spend 20 hours a day in light. But I would say (with limited experience) that the Geo has everything you need, you just gotta trust it. It is a solid granular nute. You prep a pot with it first then redress the top soil every two weeks. Just switch to bloom nutes when you flip. I sort of try to amend it into the soil, ie, mix it in as deep as I can get it, but the roots already don't allow much depth.
If you aren't filling a five with roots from a photo, I would suggest two things; read @Emilya's How to Water a Potted Plant, and work on your watering technique. There doesn't exist a world where you shouldn't fill a five with a photo, much less an auto. I am filling SEVENS now with auto roots growing outdoors in Sohum. If you're happy with threes, great, not telling you what to do. But dude, trust me, you want to use bigger pots. Not sure if you'd do better yield wise with three plants in fives or four in threes, if that's what you're asking. Personally I'd go fewer plants, bigger pots. I tell everyone this and prove it over and over again, and all it takes is proper watering. If you screw a plant up entirely with nutes or light or whatever, you can STILL fill pots with roots - it is almost entirely (in my opinion) a function of your watering method.
Since I haven't yet harvested a GeoFlora plant I cannot speak to comparing dankness and taste and what not to Sohum. But I can tell you the same auto grown in Sohum versus Fox Farms used soil, the Sohum won the taste test. Both were very crystalline and stinky, but the Sohum tasted a bit sweeter, and a bit earthier, in my opinion. It let more of the taste of the natural weed through versus Fox Farms used soil. That's USED. Not a fair comparison, but it's all I can share cuz it's all I got. Lol.
Here's a suggestion if you're not too cash strapped.....get a bag of Sohum and use your Happy Frog. Get GeoFlora Nutrients, a bag of veg and a bag of bloom. Use your damn threes, so you have four plants for the comparison. Now grow two in Sohum and two in Happy Frog with GeoFlora nutes. Bam!!! You just did your own very solid comparison. Not as solid as growing the same strain, but it'll give you a good indication of which you prefer.
The EASE, man. That's huge, I can't tell you. And the results! Check out the Raspberry Parfait outdoor photo I have in the outdoor journal. It is a month into flower. Check the frost level, it's pretty impressive. GeoFlora or genetics? I don't know, but it's a reasonably logical assumption to answer "both." This plant is incredible, is perfectly colored, has not the slightest blemish, grows entirely outside, and I do nothing to it except water it if it doesn't rain long enough. GEO man. Give it a shot.
BubbaKush909
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Hey Jon! I did read and have tried to follow Emilya's watering guide. I've always tried to let the pots get really light before I water again, but I didn't weigh them last time. It's on my checklist this time so hopefully I'll remember. I've been watering around the edges and slowly as she advocates. I shouldn't have used the GH flora series, it's not really for soil and I'm not sure I ever got it right.
My hydro guy didn't have either product lol. He's never even heard of GeoFlora which surprised me. But he did have what he claimed was a very good living soil called Great Lakes Water Only. He says growers really like it and you only add water. All organic stuff. I wanted to do a side-by-side like you suggested, but decided to get 2 bags of the stuff and run 4 3gals. So I started a gorilla glue which makes 4 and see how it goes. I've already grown 3 GG's (not very well), the last one was the plant that flowered for 14 weeks and still didn't have amber. I'm excited to hopefully see what it should really look like. I'll check out how you prepared the sohum for seedlings and as much more as I can.
Thanks again bro, have a good night!
My hydro guy didn't have either product lol. He's never even heard of GeoFlora which surprised me. But he did have what he claimed was a very good living soil called Great Lakes Water Only. He says growers really like it and you only add water. All organic stuff. I wanted to do a side-by-side like you suggested, but decided to get 2 bags of the stuff and run 4 3gals. So I started a gorilla glue which makes 4 and see how it goes. I've already grown 3 GG's (not very well), the last one was the plant that flowered for 14 weeks and still didn't have amber. I'm excited to hopefully see what it should really look like. I'll check out how you prepared the sohum for seedlings and as much more as I can.
Thanks again bro, have a good night!
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Sounds like a nute series not designed for soil might be something to avoid in the future if you're in soil.....
Captain Obvious says you're welcome!
I'm a bit surprised your guy hasn't heard of GeoFlora - everyone has. That's a bit odd I think. I would research that Great Lakes soil first, btw.....you never know when someone is just trying to sell you something. I often google things like "reviews of Great Lakes soil" and such, and find it really useful a lot of times.
Keep on it, BK - you're asking the right questions.
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Cursory Trichome Check on Phototown
Grow Day 116
Flower Day 56
I know they aren't ready, but they're getting fairly close. I didn't spend a ton of time on this, just a quick cursory trichome shot from each plant. I'm surprised that the Ghost Train Haze appears, both to the eye and to the trichome check, to be the closest to harvest. She's supposed to be the longest runner. The Slurricane appears to have the most clear, and the Hulkberry appears mostly cloudy. We're getting there.
Here's the trichs:
- Slurricane trichs
- Hulkberry trichs
- Ghost Train Haze trichs
Grow Day 116
Flower Day 56
I know they aren't ready, but they're getting fairly close. I didn't spend a ton of time on this, just a quick cursory trichome shot from each plant. I'm surprised that the Ghost Train Haze appears, both to the eye and to the trichome check, to be the closest to harvest. She's supposed to be the longest runner. The Slurricane appears to have the most clear, and the Hulkberry appears mostly cloudy. We're getting there.
Here's the trichs:
- Slurricane trichs
- Hulkberry trichs
- Ghost Train Haze trichs
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Remember that Terrible Break of the Main Stem?
Dos Si Dos Autoflower
Comeback!
That break was a lot worse than I thought now that I can see it more clearly. And the cola and plant appear to be fine. It's been several days, and by now I'd have some dying leaves or something up there if my fix hadn't taken. Still has a ways to go, but I think her staying in the rig to recover and not get buffeted by the wind was the right call. I believe she's going to be okay. I feel like Marcus Welby! Lol - to you younguns that may be too obscure a reference, lol.
Here's the story:
- The plant today
- The cola today
- Here's how bad this break was!
Dos Si Dos Autoflower
Comeback!
That break was a lot worse than I thought now that I can see it more clearly. And the cola and plant appear to be fine. It's been several days, and by now I'd have some dying leaves or something up there if my fix hadn't taken. Still has a ways to go, but I think her staying in the rig to recover and not get buffeted by the wind was the right call. I believe she's going to be okay. I feel like Marcus Welby! Lol - to you younguns that may be too obscure a reference, lol.
Here's the story:
- The plant today
- The cola today
- Here's how bad this break was!
That's a bad one.Remember that Terrible Break of the Main Stem?
Dos Si Dos Autoflower
Comeback!
That break was a lot worse than I thought now that I can see it more clearly. And the cola and plant appear to be fine. It's been several days, and by now I'd have some dying leaves or something up there if my fix hadn't taken. Still has a ways to go, but I think her staying in the rig to recover and not get buffeted by the wind was the right call. I believe she's going to be okay. I feel like Marcus Welby! Lol - to you younguns that may be too obscure a reference, lol.
Here's the story:
- The plant today
- The cola today
- Here's how bad this break was!
Nice save Hudini.
I leave tape around the crack to prevent anything getting in there as it is a weak point now.
Stay safe.
Bill