She's convinced that she weighs like 120 pounds and has six inch fangs. No concept of the fact that she's basically a hairy chicken McNugget with legs.The autos look awesome and the guard dog is just about to pounce!
Hey Jon!
Heh. Dude, screw experience level, you know what's up. I understand all you said here and it makes complete sense. It is approximately what I was thinking but I didn't have the vocabulary, so thanks. I like the theory on using a net as it relates to veg hormones staying stronger for a bit. Why do you think this is the case? Because they are constantly under the stress of straining for upward growth you deny them with the screen so they're working harder?
Well I'm always ready to ramble on my theories
. And thank you for the compliment!
You seem to have a clue what you're talking about for someone who keeps taking such pains to make sure we know what's his theory. Lol. Thanks man. I understand already what you're saying, but the way you expressed it is quite different than how I would and backed up with more actual knowledge. Nice posts. Gracias.Oh and pretty much all of what I wrote is my theories, not anything backed up by studies.
With the exception to the nitrogen in flower. That was part of a study
Anytime Jon!
Hey NTH!
. I hope Jon doesn't mind if I jump back in!
I'll just add to this that I agree with Rexer 100% but also that the change in light is the ultimate signal and trumps all of these other factors. You go to 12/12 and there's nothing you can do to stop the budding from starting, ie, you can no longer extend veg by any means. (short of revegging, which some people do and I don't get why at all...) The best way to extend the veg cycle is simply to grow them for a longer time, lol. Now if we're talking specifically just about autos, which I am getting the impression we may be, I would say that the genetics trump all these factors as much as the light cycle does for photos. If the genetics say this strain is going to start budding on you on Day 30, there's not a damn thing you're gonna do to change that. That's (you'll appreciate this Rexer) just my OPINION, but it's fairly strongly held. However I don't have a study to back it up. If the scrog screen or any other way exists to keep Rexer's teeter totter on the veg side longer, I certainly want to figure it out. Longer veg = bigger autos = more training time = more easily scrogable or whatever else you want to do = BIGGER YIELDS. The bottom line.Hey NTH!
Feel free to venture out of that corner brother
I think your on the track of my thoughts.
"Could the use of the net cause the plant to stay in veg longer due to the support it gives the plant?"
Thats a tough question. Im not sure if thats the exact case. It definitely helps support the branches that would otherwise droop down from their own weight. If extends plant life, in the sense a bigger plant will take a bit longer to finish? Not sure
I can't say if it's an increase in veg or flower or a combo.
" In other words,,, could a plant receive a “cue” to go into flower after it’s structural capabilities have been met in regards to “bearing the fruit”?"
That 1st cue is environmentally linked imo. Roots being the 1st possible cue. A small container limits the roots size, reducing maximum plant potential- triggering the flowering a bit sooner then a larger one. So yup, your on the right track my friend to what Jon and I have been chatting about.
To know with certainty if the net (aka scrog) extends the number of the days in a plants life cycle, would require true experimentation.
We can debate all day you won't try my patience, I grow weed. Lol. All I was saying is genetics is the biggest factor, not that it's the only one. And while your example sort of makes your point, what IS the point? That plant is garbage and not worth the time it took to recover it to that. No offense, but come on, you know that is true. If you use only supremely healthy plants as the example, all things being equal, genetics rule. That's all I'm saying, and it is just a theory too. So debate away! Much more fun that way.Yup I was talkin autos.
That teeter totter example is terrible
Genetics do play a huge role, one of the largest roles. But not the defining role for how long veg or flowering takes (for Autos, not photos...). I'd happily debate it all day, but I think I'd wear Jon's patience out. So...I shall let it drop with one example.
Here's my example (it's a reverse timeline). This is the same plant, the very bottom gif, its the one in perlite (far right). I took it out of the perlite and was going to toss it as a stunted plant. It persisted to stay alive ontop of a metal trash can (a few days, 1 week tops?), roots exposed. I decided on April 25th to put it up on the window frame in a solo cup (Kratky growing for life support). The plant was harvested August 9th. It's an Autoflower. It's two sister plants (same strains, same breeder) were planted at same time and were harvested in late June.
Not the best of examples, but shows that the rule is not defined by genetics alone as to how long it will veg or flower for (Autoflowers).
It should be looked at more, I know I'll be messing around more once I get making my own seeds. Till then it's just the rambling theories of a stoner grower.
BTW - how did you do that with the three picture changing timeline shot on the last picture? That was cool as hell!Yup I was talkin autos.
That teeter totter example is terrible
Genetics do play a huge role, one of the largest roles. But not the defining role for how long veg or flowering takes (for Autos, not photos...). I'd happily debate it all day, but I think I'd wear Jon's patience out. So...I shall let it drop with one example.
Here's my example (it's a reverse timeline). This is the same plant, the very bottom gif, its the one in perlite (far right). I took it out of the perlite and was going to toss it as a stunted plant. It persisted to stay alive ontop of a metal trash can (a few days, 1 week tops?), roots exposed. I decided on April 25th to put it up on the window frame in a solo cup (Kratky growing for life support). The plant was harvested August 9th. It's an Autoflower. It's two sister plants (same strains, same breeder) were planted at same time and were harvested in late June.
Not the best of examples, but shows that the rule is not defined by genetics alone as to how long it will veg or flower for (Autoflowers).
It should be looked at more, I know I'll be messing around more once I get making my own seeds. Till then it's just the rambling theories of a stoner grower.
that comment wins every awardThe point is, there's numerous misconceptions surrounding the triggering of flowering, and duration of both flowering and vegetative stages. There however isn't much in the way of documentation of it.
maybe an hour of invested time....total (from moment it went into dirt, to jars). if I had actually put effort in, had something other then backyard "soil" and fed it more then a few times, yeah something better probably coulda come out of it. It was more of a "so you wanna live, here's your shot lil plant" - it got more water from rain then me.
Oh dude that plant made me laugh, trashy as it was.
Not gonna argue that point- genetics dictate a lot.
Agreed, and I gotta say...wish more of the world ran that way
I stitched some photos together, using an app on my phone ("gif maker editor"). Makes it even more fun to watch the plants grow.
Wow, talk about covering every base. Lol. Thanks. We're basically on the same page, it's just fun to toss stuff around. Please don't be offended about my comment on that "plant." Lol. It would have cracked me up too. That is what I thought the spent soil plant would turn out like! Love the photo app I gotta get that one.
The point is, there's numerous misconceptions surrounding the triggering of flowering, and duration of both flowering and vegetative stages. There however isn't much in the way of documentation of it.
maybe an hour of invested time....total (from moment it went into dirt, to jars). if I had actually put effort in, had something other then backyard "soil" and fed it more then a few times, yeah something better probably coulda come out of it. It was more of a "so you wanna live, here's your shot lil plant" - it got more water from rain then me.
Oh dude that plant made me laugh, trashy as it was.
Not gonna argue that point- genetics dictate a lot.
Agreed, and I gotta say...wish more of the world ran that way
I stitched some photos together, using an app on my phone ("gif maker editor"). Makes it even more fun to watch the plants grow.
Zero offense taken Jon! Made me laugh, both the plant and your comment!
Heh. I have the get rich idea of the century for us. I'll message you.
