Jon's New Pared Down Setup Soil Grow: 3 Photo & 1 Auto With New Dedicated Auto Rig

You shouldn't flush super soil.
It feeds by a natural process. It's not an overabundance of salt based nutrients introduced into the soil that need to be leached.
 
Little Help Please Guys?
Flushing/Soil Question
@Emilya @Tokin Roll @Grand Daddy Black @Bill284 @Rexer @Virgin Ground @bluter @Farthestnorth @Furcifer @charliewaffles @Michael Hunt and anyone else I forgot! THANKS.


So Monday, or Tuesday if they aren't quite dry, is the pre-flip flush for the three trained out photos in the tent. The GTH and Hulkberry are both in Fox Farms soil and getting Fox Farms nutes, so that's a no brainer, they must get flushed and it's prescribed on the FF feeding chart anyway. But the Slurricane is in Sohum soil. All she's gotten the entire time is the mono-silicic acid once a week, other than that nothing but clean 6.3 water. I maybe gave her one dose of CalMag about two weeks ago. That's it for her. So why do I need to flush her? If flushing is done to clear out your salt buildup, and you haven't provided the plant any nutes, then there shouldn't be any salts to clear, correct?

If any of y'all or anyone else who knows what they're talking about has the answer to the above I would be most appreciative for your input. Thanks!
ANSWER

Damn you guys are amazing. I put out one question with a specific ask for assistance, and within an hour my question is completely answered and I'm totally good on the question. And not just from one person either.
You shouldn't flush super soil.
It feeds by a natural process. It's not an overabundance of salt based nutrients introduced into the soil that need to be leeched.
Yup, easy consensus on this one, and I figured as much, just making sure cuz I never used it before. Thanks VG!!
 
Little Help Please Guys?
Flushing/Soil Question
@Emilya @Tokin Roll @Grand Daddy Black @Bill284 @Rexer @Virgin Ground @bluter @Farthestnorth @Furcifer @charliewaffles @Michael Hunt and anyone else I forgot! THANKS.


So Monday, or Tuesday if they aren't quite dry, is the pre-flip flush for the three trained out photos in the tent. The GTH and Hulkberry are both in Fox Farms soil and getting Fox Farms nutes, so that's a no brainer, they must get flushed and it's prescribed on the FF feeding chart anyway. But the Slurricane is in Sohum soil. All she's gotten the entire time is the mono-silicic acid once a week, other than that nothing but clean 6.3 water. I maybe gave her one dose of CalMag about two weeks ago. That's it for her. So why do I need to flush her? If flushing is done to clear out your salt buildup, and you haven't provided the plant any nutes, then there shouldn't be any salts to clear, correct?

If any of y'all or anyone else who knows what they're talking about has the answer to the above I would be most appreciative for your input. Thanks!
ANSWER

Damn you guys are amazing. I put out one question with a specific ask for assistance, and within an hour my question is completely answered and I'm totally good on the question. And not just from one person either. That to me is the essence of what makes 420 so special and so different from other forums. You guys actually WANT everyone to succeed. Y'all take the damn time out of your lives to help that happen. There is no way on God's green earth that I would be where I am today without this forum and the folks in it. No way. So THANKS A TON AGAIN guys.

No nutes = no salts = no flush = maintain nutes in the soil

Yay!
 
Sorry About the Daily Posts Guys But A Demo is a Demo
Grow/Veg Day 65
The Last Day in Chains


So today we have the girls 5 and 6 days removed from their butcherings. I honestly don't know quite what I'm going to do with all these buds and branches. Lol. I talk a big game, but there's an awful lot of them, and then they're gonna stretch.......

I'll be honest guys, I'm getting a little scairt!

But what we're going to do is this: Tomorrow we will be releasing all three of these girls from every single chain that is currently controlling them. They will be free to do as they please. Obviously what they please is going to be to grow vertically, which is what we want. We will take this week coming up til the flip on Friday and let these girls go unfettered, unless they get taller in five days than I think is possible. Soon we will be removing levels and lowering the girls just a little by necessity. Where they are right now in relation to the light is where we want the canopy to be after the stretch. That will allow the buds to grow up towards the light, and start the process at around 950 par. As they buds develop they will grow into higher par numbers. We will monitor that obviously. So the plants will move down as the stretch goes up in an effort to maintain the canopy at it's current height to the light. Yes, I can move the light if I have to, lol.

On Friday before the plants go to sleep for their first 12 hour night, we do the last pre-flip training, and that one is the most involved of all of them. It's the final setting of branches before the stretch, and it's where we will find out what kind of girth we're talking about going into the stretch. Filling a square space equally with three plants in a triangle has it's share of challenges. We'll see how wide they are when this final training step before the flip is done. I am getting a whole bunch of long stakes today that are necessary for the training at this point.

Sounds great in theory, right? :laughtwo::laughtwo: We'll see if I can pull it off. I'm already trying to accept that I made too many buds for all three of these plants to be rotate-able post stretch. They are almost approaching being too wide for that now. Lol. If that's the case we'll just have to do the best we can and get creative about reaching into the middle.

Picture 1: Ghost Train Haze 6 days post butchering (mislabeled as 5 days in the picture banner)
Picture 2: Slurricane 6 days post butchering
Picture 3: Hulkberry 5 days post butchering
Picture 4: The Gang and the space they take up now

Ghost Train Haze five days post butchering.jpg


Slurricane September 19.jpg


Hulkberry September 19.jpg


Day before the chains come off.jpg
 
I didn’t get tagged and I’m butthurt.

And really stoned,,,,,,

Everyone have a great day.

NTH
Lol! Sorry my man. You'll get over it. Me too. Really stoned I mean.....

Go Phils/Go Birds!!!!
 
Sour Apple and Chunky Bud Tops Comparison
Tweaks to the Rig - Insect Response Team In Action
Day 65


I learned a lot about observing your buds at various stages of growth and deriving information from it in reading @Emilya's current journal where she takes a fairly deep dive into it. So based on this, now I look at the buds on the two autos, both the same age, and I see a big difference in where they are. The Sour Apple has begun to change from fluffy big roundish balls of white hairs exploding in all directions into it's final bud formation and shapes. You can see that the tops are much closer to taking on that classic conical top shape, and some of the side buds are beginning to show the sativa in this girl with their classic sativa turns and twists. Pretty soon they will start looking like real buds that are starting their final fattening up. I haven't had this strain go beyond 80 days yet, but this one looks like she might go another 16 days and break through 80.

The Chunky buds, on the other hand, are still in white hair mode, and still in process of growing together. All the tops are still round. They are obviously growing and joining up. Now it's starting to look like this girl really is going to be a large yielder, obviously I'm hoping. You can even see the very first specks of frost slowly creeping in in a few spots. I did a defol of useless and dying leaves yesterday so she's nice and opened up.

I also tweaked the rig with the addition of four fans at strategic spots. Not so much for temperature or humidity control as for moving air through the buds, and also for insect control. I have found now that my only insect concern is flying insects, and only at night, and only the ones that don't first go for the @Mars Hydro, which if I were a bug, I would too. Lol. They don't seem to be bugs that eat the plants. But there are these tiny caddis fly type things that get stuck each night in the trichome blankets on the leaves. I pick them off each morning. It sucks, they're gross. So last night I put my large fan on the Sour Apple to see if the moving air might help keep them off the leaves, and sure enough it worked great. There were only bugs on the far side from the fan, and only a few. So I set it up so both plants have two fans each covering the upper and lower parts of each. There's a pic to show the fans and the light and how sweet that Mars Hydro looks in a 5x5 space. Note that the taller fan behind the Sour Apple is a small oscillating fan which sweeps sweetly across the upper buds of the Chunkadelic.

Picture 1: Sour Apple bud tops
Picture 2: Chunkadelic bud tops
Picture 3: Rig shot showing fan placement and the Mars Hydro FC-E6500

Enjoy your Saturday guys.

Sour Apple bud tops.jpg


Chunky bud tops.jpg


Fans and Mars Hydro picture.jpg
Beautiful!
 
Phototown Unchained!
Grow/Veg Day 66
Training Method Demo/Tutorial Continued


Today the girls shed their shackles. Every stick and twist tie holding anything in place has been removed. Now you see how effective your chains have been to this point, as when you release all the bonds you will see the branches rise to some extent and the plant will again be bushy and uncontrolled. But if you have effectively chained your outer ring and given the plant's stems a few days to "set" into place, the plants should bush up in something pretty close to the ring you created. There should be a center mass of growth that is on a lower level than the outer ring. This is why we kept her chained as long as we did, to "set" the outer ring. The addition of the mono-silicic acid helped noticeably with this part, as the strength and plasticity of the stems allowed me to pretty much do whatever I wanted with the branches and it appears also helped them get "set" nice and solid after a few days. This is what makes it possible to effectively spread out your branches and buds so that the entire plant, in a perfect world, ends up nice and even with a flat canopy when we start to see actual little cotton balls. The idea with the center growth is that we are going to let it "catch up" to the outer ring growth during the stretch. So as we control the outer ring, we will let the inner circle grow uncontrolled, and hopefully over the course of the stretch we end up with the center growth as high to the light as the outer growth, cuz once you see buds you're done with your training, and what you have then is what you get.

DAMN are these girls bushy. Lol. It's a beautiful thing, I gotta admit. So now we will flush the Ghost Train and the Hulkberry, as they are the two Fox Farms nutes plants. The Slurricane is in Sohum and will not get flushed (thanks for the help on that one yesterday guys!).

We let them go and will leave them till Friday so we can get some vertical growth to the stems. This will make it a lot easier to separate branches vs. having the ring all bushed together choking one another out. God knows how fast they will grow this week.

I have figured out a relatively efficient way to flush these girls the way I truly want to. That way is one gallon at a time, as slowly as I can manage, letting the pot drain all the water from the previous gallon each time before the next one. And each and every gallon I want Ph'ed to 6.3. Well, for two plants in fives we're talking about 30 gallons of water. That would take forever a gallon at a time, even I have no interest in that. BUT....instead I'm going to fill my five gallon food grade plastic buckets and Ph to 6.3 the entire bucket at a time. Then all I have to do is dip the gallon jug in the bucket to fill it and there you go - a relatively quick flushing process. Especially since the plants are mobile by design and I will be able to remove them from the tent and simply do this right outside the garage on the driveway. Yes, I have stealth measures in place for this. Heh. But that's 3 of the five gallon buckets per plant, and this should be able to be accomplished in about an hour per plant.

Hey, love takes time.

At that point we are done until Friday morning, flip day. That day it's likely the girls will need watered and they will get a clean watering with their final MSA application, as they recommend to discontinue it's use once you flip. Then we will do the final training on each plant before the flip, which will be to spread the branches as effectively as possible and tie down whatever is necessary to even out the canopy on each plant. Then we will make sure all three plants are on the right level in terms of their height so that the canopy across all three plants is as close to level-flat as possible. At 6 pm Friday the girls go to sleep for their first 12 hour nap and the beginning of flower. They are going to be on a 6 am to 6 pm light schedule. This is perhaps opposite how many would try to schedule the budding, as most might want to have the lights on when it's cooler overnight. That makes perfect sense and is what you will read most often in the literature online as the recommendation on that. I do it the opposite for two reasons, one, so the plants are awake when I am and I can work them. And secondly, so that the temperature difference between day and night is more dramatic. This will become important later when we go the cold route at night to try and develop colors, and when we add the second AC unit.

This really is a ton of work, and just for that reason I really think you can accomplish the same thing with a screen much easier and wouldn't recommend it as your normal thing. But when I do the one plant to try and fill a 5x5 in a large pot, this method is going to be perfect. Doing this to one plant is fun, kind of like a cool hobby even, and you definitely learn a ton about growing and how your plants grow. You also learn a ton about what the plant is capable of in terms of training, which is just about anything!! The learning experience for a relatively new grower like me is well worth the effort, and when you begin to see what you're going to get from this method, the memory of how hard you worked to get here is going to quickly slip away and be replaced with a serious PSYCH!! And if you happen to have physical limitations and need plants you can turn, and that are high yielding while staying manageable, this is not the worst way in the world to do it. It's when you decide to do this to, say three plants at a time that the workload becomes unpalatable and/or impossible to most people with lives. Lol. In any event, the fireworks we're about to share should be really spectacular.

So the Monday porn.....

Picture 1 - The Gang before the unchaining (sorry it's a little blurry)
Picture 2 - Slurricane unchained
Picture 3 - Ghost Train Haze unchained
Picutre 4 - Hulkberry unchained
Picture 5 - The Gang again, now completely released and looking like some SERIOUS bushes
Picture 6 - This is the sum of what was necessary to chain all three girls down

Have a great week everyone!

The Gang Before the Unchaining.jpg


Slurricane Unchained.jpg


Ghost Train Unchained.jpg


Hulkberry Unchained.jpg


The Gang Now Unchained and Bushy as Hell.jpg


The Chains Themselves.jpg
 
@Emilya mentioned what a good student you are. By the looks of things one could assume you’re a doctoral candidate. I am beyond impressed by everything you’ve done in this journal. I truly love an organized space & method. You are absolutely killing it! Bravo my friend!
 
@Emilya mentioned what a good student you are. By the looks of things one could assume you’re a doctoral candidate. I am beyond impressed by everything you’ve done in this journal. I truly love an organized space & method. You are absolutely killing it! Bravo my friend!
Thanks for the kind words, @Thirvnrob! Yeah, this one is turning out pretty well so far. Don't worry, I have plenty of time to mess it all up. :rofl: I saw your post about @Emilya being your teacher and you her student, and it would appear we both have the same favorite teacher!
 
Autoflower Check In
Day 69
Finishing under the @Mars Hydro FC-E6500

Finishing the autos under the new light instead of the sun was the best call I could have made.
It allows me to give them 20 hours of light a day. I could move them in and out, but I like the consistency of environment and light source. And what a light source! The plants love this light. The response since they hit this rig has been spectacular.

The buds on the Chunkadelic are still growing and joining together. This one is obviously a long finisher. Still white hairs everywhere reaching to the sky, not yet in final fattening up mode specifically, as the Sour Apple is. But already packing some weight. Classic sativa looking buds on really straight, long stems. Gorgeous, and this girl will break my record for yield on an auto for sure! Cool little comparison between a huge and small auto and a long and regular time budder. And the Chunkadelic is finally starting to show frost! Her sugar leaves are finally sprouting big time, it took forever with this one to see that, but all of them are nice and green and frosty. @Rexer was right, some strains just take longer before they reveal their frost. Thanks, Rexer! It's the colors of the new growth that you have to use as the gauge as to whether I fixed her Mg deficiency, as the leaves that went pale weren't coming back. The sugar leaves just popping everywhere are exactly the right shade of green.

The Sour Apple buds are fattening up, getting denser, and starting to throw colors big time. She still has some white hairs shooting skyward, but you can see from the shape of the buds and the colors that they are in final phase mode. I'm tossing everything I have at her at this point, in terms of ad-libbed additives to try and get the most out of her in this final couple weeks. She's in Sohum, so on top of her water I've taken to adding Terpinator, molasses, Cha-Ching, PK13/14, and Tiger Bloom. Just a couple applications with those, and the Terpinator and molasses I will run to the end. Enough additives now, what I get is what I get. This was the plant that was my response to getting an ounce and an eighth of yield from the last Sour Apple. I think it's safe to say we kicked it's ass. It also happens to be my first organic grow, albeit with a few additives at the end that are less than organic. I'm so sold.

There's your mid-week autoflower check in!

1. - Chunkadelic
2. - Chunkadelic bud closeup
3. - Sour Apple
4. - Sour Apple bud closeup including a little friend I left to show you what I pick off every day
5. - Sour Apple cola closeup


Chunky Sept 22.jpg


Chunky bud and yes there is frost.jpg


Sour Apple Glory Sept 22.jpg


Sour Apple Bud Sept 22.jpg


Sour Apple bud closeup sept 22.jpg
 
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