Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Bill284]

Thank you sir! That's kind of what I thought, just keep vegging longer. I'm in no hurry. And yeah, I got a ton of those rock hard 50 cent pieces, especially on the Hulkberry. She's amazing, but every single bud is small except for the four main main cola buds. And those mysteriously went into some jar that said "headstash" on it. I don't mind that, I do mind the corresponding amount of flarf. Also, many of the buds on both the Ghost and the Hulk were purple and colorful up top, and even though they stayed sweet, green on the bottom. As if they were blanketed by the tops and never got as cold as the exposed colas. I don't want this either. Too crowded. So for this plant, let's screw 50 cent pieces. I'm going for more like softballs.

Your on summer grow, we want soft balls.
Oh my where is T. to make a comment about that.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Rexer]

Off the Wall Question Guys if Anyone Wishes to Comment...

So I was kiefing some of the dried sugar leaf from the Dos Si Dos. Part of that includes banging the upper tray against the lower one to knock off any stubborn trichomes. In the process of doing this, you end up with a fine dust sometimes on whatever surface you're working on, depending on how broken down the material is. I got a bunch. So collected it, and lo and behold, what I was looking at was an entire huge pile of nothing but red Dos Si Dos hairs. A gigantic, packed bonghit of them, which is a lot of red hairs. I smoked this.

First off, that hit got me incredibly high. Higher than any of the weed has gotten me smoking the buds. I never did this before somehow in all my years of smoking. I was shocked at the power of it. But it also almost INSTANTLY relaxed my back. I literally could feel the muscles relaxing as I put my head down and rode out the hit.

Does anyone have the slightest reference point for whatever it is I'm talking about?

Yup, smoking pure kief is like that for me.
I use a small pollen hand press, and press some nice pucks of hash/kief... it smolders nicely in my pipe bowl

 

[Jon]

Your on summer grow, we want soft balls.
Oh my where is T. to make a comment about that.

Stay safe
Bill

Lol, eh? We'll see. Okay, maybe softballs is too much to hope for. How about something bigger than a ping pong or golf ball but maybe slightly smaller than a honeydew melon?

So here's the coco girls update for today. I'll put it in this response to you just for shits and giggles.

Cocotown
Flower Day 30 (one month in!)

Let's focus on the lower stuff. Per our earlier conversation, this is what happens when everything has space around it and every bud, even the low ones, are getting amazing light. What a blessing these were started outside. I bet even the lower buds in this case are as big as the main buds on the recent harvest. The pictures of the buds here are all from low enough on the plant that they would normally become flarf. These will be legit. Here's what I mean:

1-2: Lowest real branch on the Dos Si Dos - from node two, and bud closeup of small bud from said branch
3-4: Lowest real branch on the Strawberry Lemonade - from node two, and bud closeup of small bud from said branch
5: Blueberry lower bud closeup from almost the very bottom of the plant. Couldn't get a good branch shot.

 

[Bill284]

Lol, eh? We'll see. Okay, maybe softballs is too much to hope for. How about something bigger than a ping pong or golf ball but maybe slightly smaller than a honeydew melon?

So here's the coco girls update for today. I'll put it in this response to you just for shits and giggles.

Cocotown
Flower Day 30 (one month in!)

Let's focus on the lower stuff. Per our earlier conversation, this is what happens when everything has space around it and every bud, even the low ones, are getting amazing light. What a blessing these were started outside. I bet even the lower buds in this case are as big as the main buds on the recent harvest. The pictures of the buds here are all from low enough on the plant that they would normally become flarf. These will be legit. Here's what I mean:

1-2: Lowest real branch on the Dos Si Dos - from node two, and bud closeup of small bud from said branch
3-4: Lowest real branch on the Strawberry Lemonade - from node two, and bud closeup of small bud from said branch
5: Blueberry lower bud closeup from almost the very bottom of the plant. Couldn't get a good branch shot.

Hey Jon hope your having a great day.
That second last shot is just beautiful, perfect.
Coco forever, hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 71

All by her lonesome now in the rig. When she's done the rig gets broken down and packed up and will go with me back to Pa where it can easily be reassembled. Sweet. It served me well, and somehow didn't attract enough attention that I ever once got asked about it or once had any authority figure have a problem with it. Also sweet (er!). The @Mars Hydro FC-E6500 is a fabulous light and did really well in the 5x5 space. You might be able to cram it in a 4x4, and it would blow it up sweetly. Solid light that never once gave me any issues. All the plants seemed to like the spectrum, and it created dense bud after dense bud for me. Excellent trichome development too.

So she has a day or two left. I am basically just waiting now for this final red hair shower to curl into and become part of the actual bud and she gets the chop.

Pictures:

1. By herself all lonely in the beautiful rig that pains me to have to disassemble.
2. My Gorilla Zkittlez guardian from South Africa - I've had this since 1975 when my stepdad brought it home from a business trip to Capetown. Recreation of a ceremonial mask worn by some tribe there for some seasonal celebration thing.
3-4: Gorilla buds closeup where you can pretty much see they're not quite ready yet.

Enjoy. This is post number one of a three post back-to-back run for Monday morning.

 

[Jon]

Hey Jon hope your having a great day.
That second last shot is just beautiful, perfect.
Coco forever, hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

Hi Bill! Yeah, that was the prize photo of the bunch. I may enter that one in POTM sometime. It's so clear and the trichomes are just glowing without being blurred. Hard to get this picture when you're me. Lol. I am about to do a real update on Cocotown, we had some work to do.

 

[Lerugged]

cool mask. Looks pretty familiar. May the South African weed gods keep your leaves green and your buds swelling

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 71

All by her lonesome now in the rig. When she's done the rig gets broken down and packed up and will go with me back to Pa where it can easily be reassembled. Sweet. It served me well, and somehow didn't attract enough attention that I ever once got asked about it or once had any authority figure have a problem with it. Also sweet (er!). The @Mars Hydro FC-E6500 is a fabulous light and did really well in the 5x5 space. You might be able to cram it in a 4x4, and it would blow it up sweetly. Solid light that never once gave me any issues. All the plants seemed to like the spectrum, and it created dense bud after dense bud for me. Excellent trichome development too.

So she has a day or two left. I am basically just waiting now for this final red hair shower to curl into and become part of the actual bud and she gets the chop.

Pictures:

1. By herself all lonely in the beautiful rig that pains me to have to disassemble.
2. My Gorilla Zkittlez guardian from South Africa - I've had this since 1975 when my stepdad brought it home from a business trip to Capetown. Recreation of a ceremonial mask worn by some tribe there for some seasonal celebration thing.
3-4: Gorilla buds closeup where you can pretty much see they're not quite ready yet.

Enjoy. This is post number one of a three post back-to-back run for Monday morning.

That lady has some sweet looking buds there!

 

[Jon]

CJS Apple Blossom
Further Training Update
Veg Day 44

So after considering several points of view on my training question (thanks, guys!), I decided that this plant was healthy enough now and well-developed enough now to take the first node growth, and to also take the nodes of new growth on the main two colas between the first set and the colas. I did so carefully. In this case after inspection I didn't think those first node branches were going to make the cut. Sometimes you can tell they're going to, in this case not so much.

Here she is today after her minor surgery:

1. Left main cola removal
2. Right main cola removal
3. First node removal
4. Where we are after that

 

[Jon]

cool mask. Looks pretty familiar. May the South African weed gods keep your leaves green and your buds swelling

You've probably seen a million of them, I'm sure he got it at the first tourist trap he came to...lmao

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

CJS Apple Blossom
Further Training Update
Veg Day 44

So after considering several points of view on my training question (thanks, guys!), I decided that this plant was healthy enough now and well-developed enough now to take the first node growth, and to also take the nodes of new growth on the main two colas between the first set and the colas. I did so carefully. In this case after inspection I didn't think those first node branches were going to make the cut. Sometimes you can tell they're going to, in this case not so much.

Here she is today after her minor surgery:

1. Left main cola removal
2. Right main cola removal
3. First node removal
4. Where we are after that

Such a pretty lady

 

[Jon]

Cocotown Update
Infrastructure/Environmental Control Measures
Flower Day 31

You know how sometimes you open the tent for the first time that day and it seems like overnight, your buds suddenly had a mini-explosion and have apparently hit a new gear? That was this morning for these girls, and when I saw them I felt the need to make a change. I'll just jump to the pics and explain there:

1. What I woke up to. These girls are getting fat, fast, and the Blueberry buds in particular are huge and bulbous. I'm beginning to worry a little bit about bud rot, considering the big boy fan wasn't in the mix. Well, I decided it was time for her to make her appearance after seeing this.
2-3. So in she went, in the corner I had setup and reserved for her in case she was needed. I had to sit her up on a bucket as I wanted the air blowing on the tops and middles more so than the bottoms, there are five fans for the bottoms now in play. I have her oscillating and she covers corner to corner. It quickly made a difference in both the temp and Rh numbers to the positive, ie, both dropped a few points. Sweet. There's an upper and lower fan shot.
4. Closeup of the main cola which is pulled over on the Dos Si Dos
5. Closeup of the main cola, also pulled over, on the Strawberry Lemonade
6-8. Closeups of the three main branches of the Blueberry, essentially all three main colas and all three bent over - I'd have to argue that the last picture shows the "main" main cola. Lol.

So all is well in Cocotown. The buds are already thanking me.

@Bill284 - today we begin week 9 of the Fox Farms feed chart for the girls. The Terpinator experiment went fine, they didn't blink. It's in the mix now. Also considering a bokashi/frass tea, it's about time for one, yes? So I don't have to re-locate it, can you give me the tea recipe real quick? I can get that going today. Thanks, sensei.

 

[Bill284]

Cocotown Update
Infrastructure/Environmental Control Measures
Flower Day 31

You know how sometimes you open the tent for the first time that day and it seems like overnight, your buds suddenly had a mini-explosion and have apparently hit a new gear? That was this morning for these girls, and when I saw them I felt the need to make a change. I'll just jump to the pics and explain there:

1. What I woke up to. These girls are getting fat, fast, and the Blueberry buds in particular are huge and bulbous. I'm beginning to worry a little bit about bud rot, considering the big boy fan wasn't in the mix. Well, I decided it was time for her to make her appearance after seeing this.
2-3. So in she went, in the corner I had setup and reserved for her in case she was needed. I had to sit her up on a bucket as I wanted the air blowing on the tops and middles more so than the bottoms, there are five fans for the bottoms now in play. I have her oscillating and she covers corner to corner. It quickly made a difference in both the temp and Rh numbers to the positive, ie, both dropped a few points. Sweet. There's an upper and lower fan shot.
4. Closeup of the main cola which is pulled over on the Dos Si Dos
5. Closeup of the main cola, also pulled over, on the Strawberry Lemonade
6-8. Closeups of the three main branches of the Blueberry, essentially all three main colas and all three bent over - I'd have to argue that the last picture shows the "main" main cola. Lol.

So all is well in Cocotown. The buds are already thanking me.

@Bill284 - today we begin week 9 of the Fox Farms feed chart for the girls. The Terpinator experiment went fine, they didn't blink. It's in the mix now. Also considering a bokashi/frass tea, it's about time for one, yes? So I don't have to re-locate it, can you give me the tea recipe real quick? I can get that going today. Thanks, sensei.

I'm glad you bent and spread them.
Lots of light everywhere.
A spoon full of each per liter and some molasses for nourishment.
24hrs warm dark spot to generate life then feed to everyone, everyone!!!
They will all benefit.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

I'm glad you bent and spread them.
Lots of light everywhere.
A spoon full of each per liter and some molasses for nourishment.
24hrs warm dark spot to generate life then feed to everyone, everyone!!!
They will all benefit.

Stay safe
Bill

Oh I must have missed something there the first time you told me. No boiling involved? Just toss them into water and let them activate overnight? That easy? Hell, why shouldn't I give this to all my plants as a matter of course every few weeks?

Also - do I have to PH the tea to 5.8?

 

[Lerugged]

lovely plants by the way. must be smelling amazing in there

 

[Jon]

lovely plants by the way. must be smelling amazing in there

Thanks man and HNY by the way. It does, but honestly the Blueberry is the predominant odor and kind of overwhelms the other two. It basically smells like an immature blueberry patch right now, with some citrus notes from the other two strains. My smeller sucks, that's all I can pick out right now, lol.

 

[Bill284]

Oh I must have missed something there the first time you told me. No boiling involved? Just toss them into water and let them activate overnight? That easy? Hell, why shouldn't I give this to all my plants as a matter of course every few weeks?

Also - do I have to PH the tea to 5.8?

Just check it it make sure it isn't off but it should be fine as is.
Feed everyone every week or so.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Good morning, @Bill284. Hope it's not too cold there.

Let's talk coco and pot size as it relates to tent sizes, for the final round after now. I have a full bag (1.8 L) of Coco/Perlite 70/30. I also have a full bag of Sohum (1.5 L), and I have about a gallon of Fox Farms Happy Frog, ie, just enough to do the central FF core of two Sohum plants. (Can't begin in straight Sohum) I'm going to use these for either four, or maybe three, more plants. I have three, five, seven, eight, and ten gallon pots, plenty of all. At least one of these plants is going to be an auto in coco. At least one other will be a photo. And our tents are either 3 x 3 x 6 or 5 x 5 x 9. Plus we have outdoors at our disposal - just straight outdoors, no more rigs. There's the background. Let's talk options.

- A Watermelon Weddingcake Double XL autoflower in coco is a definite, and I want to max that one out big time. As a double XL auto, they get bigger, in theory, if it's not all marketing. So I expect it to get huge in coco. I see how big the soil autos in 7s got. I think a 7 is too big for a tent, as I don't want to commit the entire 5x5 to one auto and I fear that's what it would take in coco. No? I was thinking to grow this auto solo in coco in the 3x3 under the NextLight 420h. She'd have the whole thing to herself, I can control the environment perfectly, and she can get as big as she wants in any direction cuz I can control her height should that become an issue. So let's say we did that. That takes care of the 3 x 3. The question, then, is, what size pot to use for this? I'm thinking a five. Or a three. Look at the damn photos in coco in 3's! But I also know how incredibly dense the roots are in those 3s and that obviously is compromising my softballs in that case. I don't want that, and any auto would be in the same boat in a 3 pretty quickly of coco. So do you agree? A 5?

- So that leaves us the 5x5, and the outside. And half a bag of coco, enough for a 7. So enough coco for a 7 and enough Sohum for 2 7s or 3 5s. Nope, can't do three with the Sohum, not enough FF. Only two. So we need to select pot size and location for two Sohum plants in 7s and one coco plant in a 7. That's the deal. Autos or photos I have a trillion seeds. Any photos can flower outdoors and autos can finish in the tent. All can veg on 20/4 till the photos go outside and the autos can stay on the 20/4. I'm not averse to simply doing the other 3 as photos in the tent, with 2 in Sohum and 1 in coco. Problem there is rate of growth of the one coco - she'll outgrow the others in five seconds. See the semi-conundrum? Lol. What do you think?

This got me thinking this morning. Maybe it will for you. Had your coffee?? Lol.

 

[Jon]

Good morning, @Bill284. Hope it's not too cold there.

Let's talk coco and pot size as it relates to tent sizes, for the final round after now. I have a full bag (1.8 L) of Coco/Perlite 70/30. I also have a full bag of Sohum (1.5 L), and I have about a gallon of Fox Farms Happy Frog, ie, just enough to do the central FF core of two Sohum plants. (Can't begin in straight Sohum) I'm going to use these for either four, or maybe three, more plants. I have three, five, seven, eight, and ten gallon pots, plenty of all. At least one of these plants is going to be an auto in coco. At least one other will be a photo. And our tents are either 3 x 3 x 6 or 5 x 5 x 9. Plus we have outdoors at our disposal - just straight outdoors, no more rigs. There's the background. Let's talk options.

- A Watermelon Weddingcake Double XL autoflower in coco is a definite, and I want to max that one out big time. As a double XL auto, they get bigger, in theory, if it's not all marketing. So I expect it to get huge in coco. I see how big the soil autos in 7s got. I think a 7 is too big for a tent, as I don't want to commit the entire 5x5 to one auto and I fear that's what it would take in coco. No? I was thinking to grow this auto solo in coco in the 3x3 under the NextLight 420h. She'd have the whole thing to herself, I can control the environment perfectly, and she can get as big as she wants in any direction cuz I can control her height should that become an issue. So let's say we did that. That takes care of the 3 x 3. The question, then, is, what size pot to use for this? I'm thinking a five. Or a three. Look at the damn photos in coco in 3's! But I also know how incredibly dense the roots are in those 3s and that obviously is compromising my softballs in that case. I don't want that, and any auto would be in the same boat in a 3 pretty quickly of coco. So do you agree? A 5?

- So that leaves us the 5x5, and the outside. And half a bag of coco, enough for a 7. So enough coco for a 7 and enough Sohum for 2 7s or 3 5s. Nope, can't do three with the Sohum, not enough FF. Only two. So we need to select pot size and location for two Sohum plants in 7s and one coco plant in a 7. That's the deal. Autos or photos I have a trillion seeds. Any photos can flower outdoors and autos can finish in the tent. All can veg on 20/4 till the photos go outside and the autos can stay on the 20/4. I'm not averse to simply doing the other 3 as photos in the tent, with 2 in Sohum and 1 in coco. Problem there is rate of growth of the one coco - she'll outgrow the others in five seconds. See the semi-conundrum? Lol. What do you think?

This got me thinking this morning. Maybe it will for you. Had your coffee?? Lol.

One thought I had was to do a Kush grow in the tent. I have 3 Kushberry seeds from DNA Genetics, which is OG Kush x Oregon Blueberry, and I have 1 OG Kush Reserva seed from them too. The two strains would obviously pair well and grow similarly, so maybe a three plant Kush grow?

 

[Bill284]

Good morning, @Bill284. Hope it's not too cold there.

Let's talk coco and pot size as it relates to tent sizes, for the final round after now. I have a full bag (1.8 L) of Coco/Perlite 70/30. I also have a full bag of Sohum (1.5 L), and I have about a gallon of Fox Farms Happy Frog, ie, just enough to do the central FF core of two Sohum plants. (Can't begin in straight Sohum) I'm going to use these for either four, or maybe three, more plants. I have three, five, seven, eight, and ten gallon pots, plenty of all. At least one of these plants is going to be an auto in coco. At least one other will be a photo. And our tents are either 3 x 3 x 6 or 5 x 5 x 9. Plus we have outdoors at our disposal - just straight outdoors, no more rigs. There's the background. Let's talk options.

- A Watermelon Weddingcake Double XL autoflower in coco is a definite, and I want to max that one out big time. As a double XL auto, they get bigger, in theory, if it's not all marketing. So I expect it to get huge in coco. I see how big the soil autos in 7s got. I think a 7 is too big for a tent, as I don't want to commit the entire 5x5 to one auto and I fear that's what it would take in coco. No? I was thinking to grow this auto solo in coco in the 3x3 under the NextLight 420h. She'd have the whole thing to herself, I can control the environment perfectly, and she can get as big as she wants in any direction cuz I can control her height should that become an issue. So let's say we did that. That takes care of the 3 x 3. The question, then, is, what size pot to use for this? I'm thinking a five. Or a three. Look at the damn photos in coco in 3's! But I also know how incredibly dense the roots are in those 3s and that obviously is compromising my softballs in that case. I don't want that, and any auto would be in the same boat in a 3 pretty quickly of coco. So do you agree? A 5?

- So that leaves us the 5x5, and the outside. And half a bag of coco, enough for a 7. So enough coco for a 7 and enough Sohum for 2 7s or 3 5s. Nope, can't do three with the Sohum, not enough FF. Only two. So we need to select pot size and location for two Sohum plants in 7s and one coco plant in a 7. That's the deal. Autos or photos I have a trillion seeds. Any photos can flower outdoors and autos can finish in the tent. All can veg on 20/4 till the photos go outside and the autos can stay on the 20/4. I'm not averse to simply doing the other 3 as photos in the tent, with 2 in Sohum and 1 in coco. Problem there is rate of growth of the one coco - she'll outgrow the others in five seconds. See the semi-conundrum? Lol. What do you think?

This got me thinking this morning. Maybe it will for you. Had your coffee?? Lol.

Good morning Mucker.
Been at it since 3:30 so the coffee pot got a workout already.
The solution to all your problems is air pots Amigo.
I've never had a root bound girl in an air pot even 3's.
But that's not applicable since you have bags.
One of the best harvests I've ever had was 6 ladies in 7 gal bags.
So I've always been a big fan of those 7 gal bags.
And personally I'm not a fan of autos but they are popular so?
Make sure you add bokashi and frass to the coco and soil before you pot this time.
The kush tent sounds brilliant.
Do you have time for all this still?
When is the move?

Stay safe
Bill