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Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower
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I don't, I try to get it sand dry. Bone dry. The jars are always open.
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What an awesome answer.
Morning Jon!
I keep mine in a light proof ziplock container, with a boveda.
Age it and cure it. It gets smoother, and makes for better hash.
Hope that helps!
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It does Rex! I essentially do the same. My little kief jars are small Infinity jars designed for kief. But I like leaving them open until they're totally dry rather than putting a pack in. The pack takes up kief space and I only have five of the smaller jars. Note: you've often heard me extol the virtues of the Infinity jars, I won't further belabor the point, but yeah - the pack type lids they have really do the trick. In the small jars I have yet to find a need for a pack, just mix it around periodically and leave it open. And if anyone ever tries one out, every order from their actual website comes with one of these kief jars for free.
No need to cure kief so leaving it out would be fine. It's the plant material that needs the cure rather than the trichs.
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Interesting! A dissenting opinion! Cool, that's when we learn and it gets good.
Anyone else want to chime in on this?
Thanks Shed!
Hmm interesting point. And while my screen does allow some miniscule plant material through, I always age mine, as ive noticed a huge difference.
It's also the traditional method, as described in Ed Rosenthal's book....
Hey jon
Even cheaper & easer is using a 5 gal beer strainer bag ( Check my winter hash thread )
if you are getting good kief with your trim bin at room temps you should be able to do it with a beer strainer bag even at room temp ( I have never tried ,I wait for winter ) I even sift my big leaves
The extreme cold breaks the trichome heads from the stalks , giving you cleaner kief
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Hey @Brewsterman - thanks for the info/methodology! I'll try that. Right now before I Trim Bin it I leave the leaves in giant plastic freezer bags, the 1 gallon ones, overnight. Then I do a bag at a time in the morning right out of the freezer. Sort of the same concept. But aren't we both cutting corners when we could maybe get 30% more return or more, and better, cleaner kief, if we used the dry ice, multiple screened bags extraction method? I feel like both of these we're doing are poor man's version of that. I saw a dude go through the whole thing start to finish on youtube, there's tons of videos of it, and the amount, and the cleanliness, that he got blew my mind. What do you think?
Do we have any idea what's actually happening to the trichome heads over time other than the gradual degradation of THC into CBN? Could the more "complex" high come from the additional body effects due to that?
Curing (as we define it for flower) is when the bacteria in the plant material chew through the sugars, chlorophyll, etc.
Great questions Shed! As always
Wish I could tell you. Other then the anecdotal evidence of my experiences, and having read that it's the traditional method I've got nothing.
And I do like my CBN, so who knows?
It hits beautifully, kills the pain, doesn't make me couch locked, and is smooth as can be.
Its also fun to make, for some extra kick, in my last puck I put a bit of RSO in it
. There was no need, it was more of a "let's see what happens"....
...and yup, it's something else I'd recommend someone trying 
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Wow, you guys rock, awesome discussion and I'm learning a ton. In my experience, the kief does seem to change over time. However, what I notice is that once it gets to bone bone bone dry, where I can mix it in the small round jar and it doesn't stick to the sides at all, that's about when the change seems to stop. So I wonder if the change that I'm perceiving is the difference between smoking it slightly wet versus smoking it bone dry? That drying process takes a while. I could expedite it by spreading the kief out flat or whatever, but I like it to take it's time. I just mix it each day until it's bone dry. But maybe I'm tasting that and not the kief "curing?"Great questions Shed! As always
Wish I could tell you. Other then the anecdotal evidence of my experiences, and having read that it's the traditional method I've got nothing.
And I do like my CBN, so who knows?
It hits beautifully, kills the pain, doesn't make me couch locked, and is smooth as can be.
Its also fun to make, for some extra kick, in my last puck I put a bit of RSO in it
I've never done anything with kief but it certainly seems there would be a difference between smoking wet and dry. I know that scissor hash burns completely differently right after trimming compared to a few weeks later.
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Yes! I have seen that as well. I LOVE older dried scissor hash. I can rarely let it sit long enough. Lol.
Good point. Thanks.
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But maybe that difference is significant enough to my palate that I 'perceive' it as curing, cuz over say several weeks I might hit it once a week or twice to test it, and I'm mislabeling that difference as "curing," when in fact, as you suggest, it doesn't cure due to there being no plant matter.
And don't forget bubble hash, which can have a higher moisture content....
For the kief, you just need to remember, it too can become moldy if handled/stored incorrectly.
For the kief, you just need to remember, it too can become moldy if handled/stored incorrectly.
Or maybe "cure" just means something different for kief than for flower.
Still don't know what the aging process would do to trichome heads, which in theory should be almost 100% THC (within the limits of our processes), other than degrade it to one extent or another.
Why do people think you have to spend big money on equipment
They been making hash for decades & decades (think they had bubble bags) let alone the time it would take
Just because it's cheap don't mean it's poor hash ( my trim shake will melt )
you can buy diff grades of strainer bags ,hell you could even use the expensive " bubble bags" with out water
The biggest deal is to get it cold so the trichome heads & stalks are brittle & break off
I just think messing with all that water & ice would be a big waste of time, when I can get fine hash already
If I had a ton to do I would set up an old dryer, to do my shaking, in the winter
Well the THCa in flowers turns to THC over time ,why wouldn't the ThCa in the trichome heads do the same thing?Or maybe "cure" just means something different for kief than for flower.
Still don't know what the aging process would do to trichome heads, which in theory should be almost 100% THC (within the limits of our processes), other than degrade it to one extent or another.
I'm sure there is other things in trichome heads than just pure THC