Jon's Dedicated Fruity Pebble Cookies Grow Plus The Mystery Plant

Whole thing oscillates, you can set the top and bottom to different speeds, seems to do 90°, I've got it in a corner and it doesn't over rotate. Just replaced a fan like what you've got that was taking up way too much space.

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Damn @Braddah Waiheesohai, screw waiting around to replace that fan. This looks like it'll do the same job and take up WAY less space, and be SAFER in terms of stability. It's really perfect, can't believe I didn't find it myself, lol. Thanks so much. Good equipment head's ups are always welcome and appreciated!!!!!
 
Happiness is a NEW AC UNIT!!!!

Let's put a few things that are unbelievable into perspective.

This is a 5 x 5 x 9 tent. That's 225 cubic feet. It's the same size as a small bedroom closet roughly. Would you use an entire 5000 btu AC unit to cool a room the size of a small bedroom closet? Of course not, it would be way too much for such a small space. It would be frosty and 58-60 degrees in the closet if you cranked the unit to high. Many of us have used these units in our lives to cool an entire bedroom, and in my experience this size unit always crushed any bedroom I happened to have at the time.

So I have TWO of these now on the 5 x 5 tent. It's been an hour since I started the new unit and began two on the tent instead of one. Normally at this time of day the temperature and RH smack dab in the center of the thickest part of the canopy is around 83 degrees and 42-45% RH. It is the canopy level that I want cooler and at around 40% RH, down to even around 35%. I know that's low, but you gotta see what's going on in here and you'd do the same I suspect. This forest is thickening up with buds so quickly I can't even comprehend it, there's a few examples in the pictures. I want it much lower temperature-wise because this part of the day is as good as it gets until 7 pm. From here, we just get hotter and hotter as the day goes. It's just the canopy level. If you feel down low it's perfect. But in the hottest part of the day it gets to 92-93 degrees in the canopy for like 3 or 4 hours. I can't have that, it's way too hot I don't care how hot they grow in nature. I'm not in nature. I'm in a tent with an LED. We don't do 94 degrees here.

After one hour with the second unit in play we are looking at 74.6 degrees and 39% RH in the hottest part of the canopy, right in the middle of the tent (with the gauge on a long stick trick it's easy to measure up there without hanging something). That's right now. If we assume a 10-12 degree rise as the day goes on (as it's been) and project, that makes the hottest we should get up top around 87 degrees max. That I can live with for four hours a day. This will also allow me to get it as cold as I want overnight, whereas with just the one unit we were waking up 78-80 degrees or so. That's okay for overnight temps if I have to live with it, but of course I'd like it lower than that with the possibility of getting into the low 60s territory for color if I want. Now I can. But also very importantly, my RH will never get above 45% now at canopy level, and it's a solid 30-35% anywhere in the tent with space that's not a crowded canopy locale.

In short, it's perfect. I'm the happiest guy on the forum right now, at least until we do the net later, lol.

The perspective part is, WHY does it take two of these to create this environmental reality in such a small space? Both units are cranked all the way up. It seems unbelievable and excessive, but it's really not, and here's why:

- it gets to be in the mid 90s in the garage for several hours a day, the tents are IN the garage, and as the days of the month progress towards summer it gets a little worse, not better
- I have no way to mitigate the garage temperature, so I must mitigate the tent temperatures
- this tent is more filled with plant mass by 100 miles than any grow in my experience, and all of that plant mass is currently engaged in it's highest level of biology exactly right now
- this much plant mass along with the almost 30 gallons of soil in the tent (including the old pots I'm using for support that are filled with soil, along with the light, creates WAY more heat than I ever knew to be possible - plants really crank it out when they're gigantic in a small space I have found in this grow, meaning in terms of how much heat and water they put out in the act of becoming giant buds
- the first unit I've been using up to now is older and many not be functioning at 100%, I'm sure the brand new one is more efficient even though they're identical, Toshiba 5000 btu window AC units ($162 at Home Depot with stepdad's military discount)

When you add all of that up, it isn't that surprising that I can use two units in this particular tent and have it work. And working it is!!!!!!!!!!

YAY.

So here's a shot of the new unit and then two shots of the back door tent view at my head level to show you what's going on inside, below the show buds up top. This is where the bulk of the actual canopy is, and whoa is it dense with buds. They are getting larger very quickly.

Only 8 am and already everyone is watered, the new AC unit is in and just need sealed before 6 pm, and I'm ready when steppops is to install the stupid net! NOICE.

Day of rest my ass.

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Hi Jon, I marvel at your setup and what you accomplish every time I see the colas. Will you be going ahead with a journal on how to get seedlings started in solo cups with an emphasis on the watering technique for growing and up-potting seedlings in soil? That was an inspired idea and I'm sure it will be of use to many who have issues, including me!
 
Hi Jon, I marvel at your setup and what you accomplish every time I see the colas. Will you be going ahead with a journal on how to get seedlings started in solo cups with an emphasis on the watering technique for growing and up-potting seedlings in soil? That was an inspired idea and I'm sure it will be of use to many who have issues, including me!
Hi @Carmen Ray, Happy Sunday. My friend, I gave you my word on something in effect when I made the offer to document it for you. If I ever give you my word on something I assure you that you can bank it. Yes sir, we are already engaged. I popped the Ethos Pluto Runtz auto as I said I would, it is in the wet paper towel right now, with a small tap root about half as long as I want it before it hits the dirt. It's going to hit the dirt either late today or tomorrow first thing, and that is where our documentation is going to begin, as I want you (and anyone else) to see how I water from the moment It hits the dirt until it's big enough for up potting. I dumped the pot and tossed the dirt all around and then put it back, since we had already begun a seed and it was already getting water and it had been a while so I wanted to "freshen" it up for the recharge. I did not add anything to it, just tossed it and put it back in. So maybe three weeks or so every day, water or not, and I will tag you on these specific posts. Each of those posts will be here in my journal but always with it's own heading and always a dedicated post, so it won't get confusing, and I'll even number them in case you miss one so you'll have a reference point. It's on mi amigo!

Just please understand I am very nervous about doing this, as I am not an expert or necessarily any better at this than anyone else. To show EXACTLY what I do with watering every day to the world is cool and all, but nobody really does that. We all do things that don't make the journals every day, why would anyone post how they water, right? It's enough to just discuss it as we do. But now I'm going to show it, and that is going to leave me open to TONS of critique and criticism and commentary, and I suspect some are going to think I'm doing it all wrong. So this will be just ONE way to get the job done, but it's what I've used since @Emilya and I fell in love ( :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: - that's a joke, in truth it's very one-sided unfortunately for me, lmao. You'd think I could at least pick up a deaf chick, right? Lmao - nope. I have less than no game apparently. @Emilya I am sure you see I'm having fun with you here, right? Heh.) Anyway Carmen the point is just that I hope it works for you cuz we're both sticking our necks out there together on this one, you feel me? Lol!!!! Worry not though - I'll trade a bit of embarrassment for a good education any fricking day of the week. Who cares about being embarrassed? I'm here to learn and help others when I can.

So let's have some fun with this. Cool?
 
Thank you Jon. I will need to up-pot my one auto in about 3 to 4 weeks time no sooner I guess and I handled the last one very badly, so I need to know how to prep the pot it will go into. I'm also considering starting a photo or two because I need bud at the end of this grow and I know I won't get enough from the autos judging from my poor progress so far. Embarrassment is my middle name... I hear you.
 
Thank you Jon. I will need to up-pot my one auto in about 3 to 4 weeks time no sooner I guess and I handled the last one very badly, so I need to know how to prep the pot it will go into. I'm also considering starting a photo or two because I need bud at the end of this grow and I know I won't get enough from the autos judging from my poor progress so far. Embarrassment is my middle name... I hear you.
We're going to win or lose this battle together if you're doing exactly what I do Carmen. If you fail I fail, if I fail, you fail. Again.....I don't fail much. We got this, don't worry. You will not grow a 2 ounce auto anymore after this. Ever.
 
We're going to win or lose this battle together if you're doing exactly what I do Carmen. If you fail I fail, if I fail, you fail. Again.....I don't fail much. We got this, don't worry. You will not grow a 2 ounce auto anymore after this. Ever.
Oh, forgot, sorry - don't worry about the up potting right now. We have plenty of days in that Solo cup. There is literally zero reason to rush it. If anything needs done, we'll begin doing it in the Solo. We aren't going to up pot until the root ball is solid and sweet. It should be around 18 days or so, is my guess. That's about where I usually fall. Make sure your cup has the whole center cut out on the bottom, not just holes. Cut out the whole center, leaving enough ring to hold the dirt. And also poke two rings of holes, one at the bottom, one up from it about 3 inches, all around the sides of the Solo cup. You're going to create a mini-Airpot and we're going to give the roots every advantage we can. Ignore anyone who says this is overkill.
 
And also poke two rings of holes, one at the bottom, one up from it about 3 inches, all around the sides of the Solo cup. You're going to create a mini-Airpot and we're going to give the roots every advantage we can. Ignore anyone who says this is overkill.
I do the same thing, only I do over-over kill.

I use a soldering iron to make dozens of holes all over the sides of the cup all the way up to where the soil meets the sky. Can't have too many and the iron melts thru very quickly which is important if you make as many holes as I do. They're probably 3/4" apart for me. :cheesygrinsmiley:

It does make watering a bit more challenging as the initial water wants to run out of the holes.
 
I do the same thing, only I do over-over kill.

I use a soldering iron to make dozens of holes all over the sides of the cup all the way up to where the soil meets the sky. Can't have too many and the iron melts thru very quickly which is important if you make as many holes as I do. They're probably 3/4" apart for me. :cheesygrinsmiley:

It does make watering a bit more challenging as the initial water wants to run out of the holes.
LOL!! I do the same thing with scissor points, I was trying to make it easier on Carmen, LOL! Okay, Carmen, if you like poke a million holes. The ones at the base and a row or two up are really all you need though, lol. Me and Azi are just a little insane.
 
Zkittlez Auto
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HARVEST


420 FastBuds said 9-10 weeks, and they were right on. Halfway in between, 9.5 weeks basically. How about that. So rather than blather let's go right to the lather!

First thing I did was take her out of the rig and check the trichomes carefully, which got me this:'

That said to me "ready." I decided to chop her. She was nice and dry. Here's what the buds all look like at harvest.

I chopped her. Then I trimmed her for hanging. Here's the haul pre-hang trim.

Here's a really fun shot of the very bottom of one of the buds that looks excessively cool.

Then I hung her up! Here she is, and she is rather well-hung if I do say so myself. I'd hit that.

You may have noticed it seemed there was one bud up there that was fully wet trimmed. I always (or almost always) wet trim one appreciable bud, usually one of the densest ones, for a small handful of reasons:
- it dries faster than the non-final-wet-trimmed buds, so can be smoked/tested sooner
- it gives me comparison/data points regarding the difference in drying time between wet trimmed and non
- while not necessary, I've found it a good practice with very dense buds to get more potential moisture off them for the dry, and while these aren't in danger of bud rot (even though they're very dense), it never hurts to do it anyway for each plant, just one....you never know what you might find in the trim and maybe you learn something that necessitates further action, like finding bud rot that was not visible before trimming

And finally, it gives me a chance (and you too!) to get a sneak peek at what they'll end up like!!! Ha!

So all that said, these are the best pics. Saved them for the end.

Here's the same one bud I wet trimmed to completion, from two different angles, and a zoom on showing her trichs.

Thank GOD!!!! I was SO sick of looking at that plant.
 
Make sure your cup has the whole center cut out on the bottom, not just holes. Cut out the whole center, leaving enough ring to hold the dirt.
Why do you do this? I used to do the same and then made a false floor to make it easier to push the plant out, but found once it had enough roots to hold the soil together it wasn't necessary. At least for that purpose. And doesn't the big gaping hole in the bottom make it harder to hold the soil initially?
 
We're going to win or lose this battle together if you're doing exactly what I do Carmen. If you fail I fail, if I fail, you fail. Again.....I don't fail much. We got this, don't worry. You will not grow a 2 ounce auto anymore after this. Ever.
Thank you for this Jon. I hope this doesn't spoil our plans. I've changed my parameters. I posed a question earlier but maybe you haven't seen that yet. I have some fem photos that I thought I might try as I believe I can probably get more bud off a photo than auto, given my inexperience with autos. Would I be able to follow your instructions and adapt?
Oh, forgot, sorry - don't worry about the up potting right now. We have plenty of days in that Solo cup. There is literally zero reason to rush it. If anything needs done, we'll begin doing it in the Solo. We aren't going to up pot until the root ball is solid and sweet. It should be around 18 days or so, is my guess. That's about where I usually fall. Make sure your cup has the whole center cut out on the bottom, not just holes. Cut out the whole center, leaving enough ring to hold the dirt. And also poke two rings of holes, one at the bottom, one up from it about 3 inches, all around the sides of the Solo cup. You're going to create a mini-Airpot and we're going to give the roots every advantage we can. Ignore anyone who says this is overkill.
My plastic cups are possibly a different manufacture. I have tried to cut them with scissors first and then pruning shears and even that wouldn't cut holes in the bottom. The only thing I can do is stab the bottom and it cracks the plastic into a star shaped cut. I can break the pieces off to open the centre, but I don't know how to make holes in the cup without a soldering iron. Sorry, I don't mean to make it difficult.
 
Why do you do this? I used to do the same and then made a false floor to make it easier to push the plant out, but found once it had enough roots to hold the soil together it wasn't necessary. At least for that purpose. And doesn't the big gaping hole in the bottom make it harder to hold the soil initially?
As long as the lip is maybe half an inch wide all around I take the whole middle out.
- better drainage
- no problem holding soil in
- no problem getting plant out, actually makes it easier, just poke out through the hole
- allows for faster drainage each time
- eliminates the "I poked the holes in from the bottom so now the plastic sticking up inside is compromising the drainage" thing, which is a thing if one doesn't use/own a soldering iron or the like and instead 'pokes' the holes
- if a beginning grower wants to weigh their pots, the faster drainage means not having to wait 10 minutes for a long drain until you can weigh it, since even newbies have lives too :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's my deal, I'm sticking to it. Lol!!!
 
Thank you for this Jon. I hope this doesn't spoil our plans. I've changed my parameters. I posed a question earlier but maybe you haven't seen that yet. I have some fem photos that I thought I might try as I believe I can probably get more bud off a photo than auto, given my inexperience with autos. Would I be able to follow your instructions and adapt?

My plastic cups are possibly a different manufacture. I have tried to cut them with scissors first and then pruning shears and even that wouldn't cut holes in the bottom. The only thing I can do is stab the bottom and it cracks the plastic into a star shaped cut. I can break the pieces off to open the centre, but I don't know how to make holes in the cup without a soldering iron. Sorry, I don't mean to make it difficult.
Hey @Carmen Ray....

Okay, real quickly, and you're not being difficult, please no worries, is yes, certainly adaptable, you begin the same way regardless of auto or photo. Exactly the same thing.

Your cups. I know the cups you are referring to. Lose them. You can't poke any holes in them. This is important. If you can't get Solo cups, find a small (1 gallon or smaller) pot to start them in instead of a cup. You'll hear from many the holes don't matter. Trust me that the one in the bottom does.

Cool?
 
if a beginning grower wants to weigh their pots, the faster drainage means not having to wait 10 minutes for a long drain until you can weigh it, since even newbies have lives too :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gotcha. After a thorough watering I've taken up the practice to tilt the pot 45 degrees for a few seconds to reduce the perched water table. That seems to help clear out the excess pretty quickly as well.
 
Gotcha. After a thorough watering I've taken up the practice to tilt the pot 45 degrees for a few seconds to reduce the perched water table. That seems to help clear out the excess pretty quickly as well.
That works too! Many ways to skin the proverbial cat, yes?
 
:party::party::party::party:

It's 12:30 on a real hot day here. Garage is 91 degrees right now and 74% RH.

Here's the gauge at the very top of my canopy, about four inches from my light. Toldja the light puts out no heat. Lol. So what do you guys think? Is the second AC unit effective enough for you? Cuz I'm trying to give you perfection, so if I can get closer somehow, please let me know......:laugh::laugh::laugh: This is so far beyond best case scenario I have to go cruising around the neighborhood openly smoking a joint of Blue City Diesel to celebrate. I might need to bring a towel with in case I get too excited and....you know.....

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Zkittlez Auto
Day 66
HARVEST


420 FastBuds said 9-10 weeks, and they were right on. Halfway in between, 9.5 weeks basically. How about that. So rather than blather let's go right to the lather!

First thing I did was take her out of the rig and check the trichomes carefully, which got me this:'

That said to me "ready." I decided to chop her. She was nice and dry. Here's what the buds all look like at harvest.

I chopped her. Then I trimmed her for hanging. Here's the haul pre-hang trim.

Here's a really fun shot of the very bottom of one of the buds that looks excessively cool.

Then I hung her up! Here she is, and she is rather well-hung if I do say so myself. I'd hit that.

You may have noticed it seemed there was one bud up there that was fully wet trimmed. I always (or almost always) wet trim one appreciable bud, usually one of the densest ones, for a small handful of reasons:
- it dries faster than the non-final-wet-trimmed buds, so can be smoked/tested sooner
- it gives me comparison/data points regarding the difference in drying time between wet trimmed and non
- while not necessary, I've found it a good practice with very dense buds to get more potential moisture off them for the dry, and while these aren't in danger of bud rot (even though they're very dense), it never hurts to do it anyway for each plant, just one....you never know what you might find in the trim and maybe you learn something that necessitates further action, like finding bud rot that was not visible before trimming

And finally, it gives me a chance (and you too!) to get a sneak peek at what they'll end up like!!! Ha!

So all that said, these are the best pics. Saved them for the end.

Here's the same one bud I wet trimmed to completion, from two different angles, and a zoom on showing her trichs.

Thank GOD!!!! I was SO sick of looking at that plant.
Congratulations to rosekani zkittlez @Jon, it looks great and will definitely taste good;).
 
Hey @Carmen Ray....

Okay, real quickly, and you're not being difficult, please no worries, is yes, certainly adaptable, you begin the same way regardless of auto or photo. Exactly the same thing.

Your cups. I know the cups you are referring to. Lose them. You can't poke any holes in them. This is important. If you can't get Solo cups, find a small (1 gallon or smaller) pot to start them in instead of a cup. You'll hear from many the holes don't matter. Trust me that the one in the bottom does.

Cool?
I need to take a step back. I searched for the see through plastic cups and this is all I could find. I think that 1 Gal is equivalent to my 4 Litre black plastic bags? More or less, it is 3,7 L. They are not right for this. What is the hole at the bottom for? I get that you need drainage, but a bigger hole, for what?
 
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