Jon's Dedicated Fruity Pebble Cookies Grow Plus The Mystery Plant

[InTheShed]

Hope that clarifies in a non-argumentative and respectful manner as it is intended.

Absolutely!

As soon as the soil and pot becomes immersed in the wrong ph, let's say at 7.6 cuz your tap water sucks, you will begin to see issues.

That's true in organic grows as well, which is why soil is pH'd at the factory to the correct pH for soil and peat is pH'd at the factory for the correct pH for peat.

Not to mention that only in a specific and relatively narrow range of ph can the plant most effectively uptake chemical nutes

The pH of the medium determines what nutes the plants can take up (not of the water), which is why soil is pH'd higher than peat. It's explained here:

The pH of both peat and soil will drift over time (peat much more easily than soil) as a result of the type of N in your fertilizer and the alkaline content of your water.

 

[Jon]

This is for the @DYNOMYCO guys, who are quite kind and tuned in to what we do here.

This is my spent soil pile where an auto sprout will soon reside. I prepped it yesterday with some well mixed soil which included DYNOMYCO. Look! We have a sighting!!!!!!!

 

[Costanza]

Zkittlez Auto

Why is it Zkittlez with two Zs, anyway? I guess it has more of that Z-terpene than it does the S-terpene?

its zkittlez with 2 z's because they thought they were being creative, and I think to avoid getting sued by Skittles.

Three Fun Pictures for Thursday

1/2. This is a bud shot and a canopy shot from my very first grow ever. Pineapple Upside Down Cake (not HSC version) bagseed from a dispensary 1/8th that was 31+% THC. The purchase of that 1/8th and the first time I had ever had seeds in my possession just happened by chance to coincide with when I received the first Trump check for $1200, remember that one? That was what funded my entry into growing weed. This is my first 5x5, my first set of lights, a pair of Maxsisun 1200 watt (but really only pulled 256 each, lmao, and one is in play now in the outdoor furniture rig) old school blurples, a 6" AC Infinity fan and filter, and six plants in 8 gallon plastic pots with barely any drainholes. Lmao!!!!!!!!

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3. This is one of my favorite pictures of the Apple Blossom, who had the 3x3 before Titan.

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Ok, ready for Friday now.

That 1st stimulus check paid off my first tent and light also.

 

[Jon]

Already corrected, @InTheShed, thanks in advance.

 

[Jon]

its zkittlez with 2 z's because they thought they were being creative, and I think to avoid getting sued by Skittles.

That 1st stimulus check paid off my first tent and light also.

You know the terpene thing was a joke, right? Lol. I followed that question up with an answer that is exactly what you said. Lmao.

Wow! I'm not alone in my first weed being Trump Weed!

 

[Costanza]

You know the terpene thing was a joke, right? Lol. I followed that question up with an answer that is exactly what you said. Lmao.

Wow! I'm not alone in my first weed being Trump Weed!

Sorry Jon the afternoons are when I'm at my highest. Went right over my head

 

[Jon]

Sorry Jon the afternoons are when I'm at my highest. Went right over my head

LMAO. Me too! It precedes nap time most days! Yeah, lol, I could tell you didn't get it. Z-terpenes? I WISH they were all named simply like that instead of sounding like word salads.

 

[InTheShed]

sounding like word salads

Some word salads are winners! Chunky Cherry Overdosi for example...

 

[Jon]

Some word salads are winners! Chunky Cherry Overdosi for example...

Even a blind pig gets an acorn once in a while?

 

[Jon]

Some word salads are winners! Chunky Cherry Overdosi for example...

Actually, if you know your terpenes well enough to toss out words like myrcene and limonene in casual conversation it makes you sound like you know more than you do.......

 

[Costanza]

LMAO. Me too! It precedes nap time most days! Yeah, lol, I could tell you didn't get it. Z-terpenes? I WISH they were all named simply like that instead of sounding like word salads.

Yeah I got my terp education when i got my medical card a few years ago. My daytime strains are usually high in pinene and limonene and my night time smoke is always high in myrcene

 

[Emilya Green]

The pH of both peat and soil will drift over time (peat much more easily than soil) as a result of the type of N in your fertilizer and the alkaline content of your water.

You have been saying this for years claiming that it means that one never has to pH adjust, when in actuality it does not imply anything of the sort. When you saturate the medium with water, the massive weight of the water as compared to medium takes over the pH of the system... it has no choice, the pH of the entire system matches that of the water saturating it. The ONLY time the soil base pH even comes into play is when the soil is dry and has reverted back to its original base pH, minus whatever adjustment might have been done to the buffers due to the water that just influenced it last. Yes, the water can influence the soil over time and adjusting its pH by depleting (using up) the buffers built in, but in no way does this logically imply that one doesn't need to pH adjust when using synthetic nutes.

Some people get away with not pH adjusting because eventually their acidic nutes and their unadjusted water react with the buffers in the soil, and their nutrient mix finally gets dragged into the pH range where it can break free of its chelation bonds and become available to the plant. During the time that it takes for this adjustment to happen, the plants are not being fed by any nutrients that are still in chelation. Over the time of a watering cycle, these nutrients may eventually become available as the pH drifts upward, but certainly not for the same amount of time that they would be available if initially pH adjusted into range. The lazy man's way of doing things may eventually work... but there is no way it can work as well as in a grow that carefully is adjusted to the needed parameters right from the start and where the plant can enjoy its nutes from the very moment that they are applied.

 

[InTheShed]

Can I water an organic grow with nothing but 7.6 water, or do I need to pH water for organic soil as well? I only ask because the high pH of the water will take over the pH of the system, making the roots unable to use the nutrients in the soil.

Here's an interesting article from the U of Florida that only mentions the soil pH when it comes to chelated nutrients...no mention of the pH of the water.

HS1208/HS1208: Understanding and Applying Chelated Fertilizers Effectively Based on Soil pH

A UF/IFAS numbered Fact Sheet.

edis.ifas.ufl.edu

It's even titled:
"Understanding and Applying Chelated Fertilizers Effectively Based on Soil pH"

But okay, that's Florida. How about this one from a major farm consulting company:

Crop Nutrition: Chelates and Improved Nutrient Availability - GAR Bennett

What if the weakest link can’t be addressed by simply applying more pounds on the […]

www.garbennett.com

It only talks about the pH of the soil in terms of chelation. I'm sure they know something about the science.

But that's from the radical leftists in California. How about something from the great state of Minnesota? We're not allowed to link to pdf files any more but this article from U of MN called "Nutrient Management for Fruit & Vegetable Crop Production" makes no mention of water pH whatsoever. It does say this:

"Soil pH has strong effects on the availability of most nutrients. This is because pH affects both the
chemical forms and solubility of nutrient elements. Trace metals such as Fe, Zn, and Mn are more
available at lower pH than most nutrients, while Mo and Mg are more available at higher pH than
many other nutrients. The ideal soil pH for many crops is slightly acid, between about 5.8 and 7.0,
because in that range there is well-balanced availability for all nutrients."

pH your nutes or don't, but nowhere can I find any research that says it matters to the plants in buffered peat or soil.

 

[Jon]

Yeah I got my terp education when i got my medical card a few years ago. My daytime strains are usually high in pinene and limonene and my night time smoke is always high in myrcene

Case in point!

 

[Emilya Green]

stop citing farm and ag field studies when we are talking here about closed containers, and I will listen a lot more closely. You are trying to fool the good folks by arguing apples and oranges. Out in the field, soil pH is all you got... but in a closed container, the pH of the trapped water is way way way more important. Prove me wrong.

 

[InTheShed]

stop citing farm and ag field studies when we are talking here about closed containers, and I will listen a lot more closely. You are trying to fool the good folks by arguing apples and oranges. Out in the field, soil pH is all you got... but in a closed container, the pH of the trapped water is way way way more important. Prove me wrong.

Prove yourself right! Find me any mention of this not on a manufacturers website. Surely there must be scientific studies of container plants somewhere.

And don't accuse me of trying to fool people or I will need to report your post. I back up everything I say with articles and science. Folks can take it or leave it, but it's there in black and white.

 

[Jon]

 

[farside05]

Out in the field, soil pH is all you got... but in a closed container, the pH of the trapped water is way way way more important. Prove me wrong.

Can you provide a scientific link to support your claim? Why is it always someone else's burden to prove you wrong? By no means is Pro-Mix a "field product". It's made for containerized growing.

I can guarantee that large scale commercial containerized growers are not pHing all the water/fertilizer they are feeding. Go ahead and call Bettinger's Greenhouse in Swanton Ohio and ask. They have about 15 acres under glass and provide much of the containerized bedding stock for about a 6 state area. I guess they've been getting lucky for 80 years.

 

[Emilya Green]

Prove yourself right! Find me any mention of this not on a manufacturers website. Surely there must be scientific studies of container plants somewhere.

And don't accuse me of trying to fool people or I will need to report your post. I back up everything I say with articles and science. Folks can take it or leave it, but it's there in black and white.

Yep, you back up your beliefs in studies of things that have little application to what we are doing here. I am tired of sitting here quietly while people distribute untruths about pH and flushing. I have learned that I don't need to get all bent out of shape about it, making it my mission to save the world or something, but when you throw this non-applicable and confusing agri science out there to a friend that I am also mentoring, I do need to speak up. Here you all go, teaming up and citing the need for Scientific studies. There are none based on growing something that is illegal, indoors, in closed containers and even amateur studies are hard to come by, and you know it. This doesn't automatically make you right.

I back up everything I say with years of experience guiding and mentoring growers having problems and with journal after journal proving the things that I say in my own gardens. Yes, you cite science, but what you have chosen as your hill to stand on has zero applicability to what 99% of us are doing in our tents. Go ahead and report me... I too am deserved a learned opinion and respect, and just because I don't wear a lab coat doesn't mean you can automatically say that I am wrong and demand studies that back me up.

 

[Bill284]

Here I got one for you.
Happy Birthday Jon

Stay safe Everyone
Bill