Emilya Green
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Zkittlez Auto
Day 23
In the two days since I last showed this girl she has been kind and cooperative enough to do for me what I was going to try and do anyway. If you look closely in the picture, you will see that what we have here is an extremely early and almost already fully formed canopy of eight tops. The lower nodes have been gracious enough to catch up to the tops way fast, which is nice. Remember that space is at a premium in the outdoor furniture rig. So what I'm going to attempt to do is simply leave her alone now except for keeping this 8 top canopy even, and let all 8 grow straight up. This should give us a cylindrical plant with 8 equal sized and large colas. Betcha I can pull 3+ ounces from her that way, which would be fine. There's a ton of time for them to grow upwards if I just keep it like it is, so I would think they'll all get big.
Here's our 8-top Zkittlez.
Day 23
In the two days since I last showed this girl she has been kind and cooperative enough to do for me what I was going to try and do anyway. If you look closely in the picture, you will see that what we have here is an extremely early and almost already fully formed canopy of eight tops. The lower nodes have been gracious enough to catch up to the tops way fast, which is nice. Remember that space is at a premium in the outdoor furniture rig. So what I'm going to attempt to do is simply leave her alone now except for keeping this 8 top canopy even, and let all 8 grow straight up. This should give us a cylindrical plant with 8 equal sized and large colas. Betcha I can pull 3+ ounces from her that way, which would be fine. There's a ton of time for them to grow upwards if I just keep it like it is, so I would think they'll all get big.
Here's our 8-top Zkittlez.
Yes, now I actually realize how little I know.
But I have wonderful new friends.
Stay safe
Bill
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Hi @Emilya, I was hoping you might offer a thought on this. Thanks in advance!
Ok, here's the scenario. GeoFlora/soil grow. Photo. Intended up potting schedule: Dixie > 3 > 7.
First GeoFlora feeding gets them started and at least through 14 days in the Dixie, yes? But odds are one might transplant to the three before day 28, ie, the second GeoFlora feeding, or at least one could. I probably would. Let's say one did.
Okay, now we're in the three and the second GeoFlora feeding is approaching. Yes, the pot has been prepped for transplant, and we also know the root ball that just got uppotted is nicely full of microbes already. This would also be post full wetting of the medium on the initial transplant "meld," so at this point you are building roots and regardless of watering cycle, you're watering to the outside only, also yes?
So now it's GeoFlora second feed day, let's say day 28. Normally in this scenario I would do a top dressing of the feed and "amend" it into the soil as deep as the roots allow me, usually a few inches at this point. And for this, I'm suggesting exactly the same thing.
With one difference: How about instead of top dressing the entire surface of the soil, I took the same dosage and did it only in a ring on the outside? The GeoFlora gets put on the soil only where I'm watering.
See where I'm going here?
Targeted microbe placement. Is this silly or possible? Do they simply colonize/multiply too quickly and spread everywhere that this thought is kind of....silly? (heh)
Thanks!
Ok, here's the scenario. GeoFlora/soil grow. Photo. Intended up potting schedule: Dixie > 3 > 7.
First GeoFlora feeding gets them started and at least through 14 days in the Dixie, yes? But odds are one might transplant to the three before day 28, ie, the second GeoFlora feeding, or at least one could. I probably would. Let's say one did.
Okay, now we're in the three and the second GeoFlora feeding is approaching. Yes, the pot has been prepped for transplant, and we also know the root ball that just got uppotted is nicely full of microbes already. This would also be post full wetting of the medium on the initial transplant "meld," so at this point you are building roots and regardless of watering cycle, you're watering to the outside only, also yes?
So now it's GeoFlora second feed day, let's say day 28. Normally in this scenario I would do a top dressing of the feed and "amend" it into the soil as deep as the roots allow me, usually a few inches at this point. And for this, I'm suggesting exactly the same thing.
With one difference: How about instead of top dressing the entire surface of the soil, I took the same dosage and did it only in a ring on the outside? The GeoFlora gets put on the soil only where I'm watering.
See where I'm going here?
Targeted microbe placement. Is this silly or possible? Do they simply colonize/multiply too quickly and spread everywhere that this thought is kind of....silly? (heh)
Thanks!
Emilya Green
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Good thoughts, but I am going to try to amend them a bit. First, upon transplanting, I try to transplant on feeding days if I can and this eliminates a lot of the confusion. If this is not possible however, when moving to a bigger container I will immediately feed the suggested dosage for that new bigger planter and reset the 14 day feeding cycle. That which is left over in the smaller rootball is for later, but for now we want a full population of microbes all throughout the new soil. Regarding targeting microbes to the sides, think about the soil beneath the surface... is it dry as in the top of the container, or toward the middle of the container is it more likely that it is a muddy soup? Realizing that the soil beneath the top of the water table is still saturated, we can start to imagine just how mobile our little microbeasties can be in that environment. Apply them to the top, sides or middle, they are still going to move around at will, and surprisingly quickly. I don't imagine how one could effectively target microbe placement... they are going to go where the food is.
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Ha. Thanks! Ok, it was silly. Lol. That's kind of what I thought though, they'd go everywhere immediately. I like the reset on up potting I haven't been doing that. Makes complete sense. As does attempting to transplant on a feed day. Thanks for the logic.
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@Bill284 - as I go to water the FPCs today I want to let you know that I am now up to having to feed a five gallon bucket of nutes between the two plants EACH DAY. This is crap. That's what it takes to water to proper runoff. Christ. My PB nutes are going to be savaged after this grow. Just finishing the metal packs from the first round they sent and now am into the bottles. Lol.
Hahahaha 95% of what I've learned is strictly from 420Mag people. So from nothing to being able to grow some of the tastiest weed ever! And to reenforce what Em said about becoming a better person, I've learned to become more personable I think/hope too! The Mag rocks and everyone who helps it grow does too!
I always said it's like feeding a high-school rugby team.
Try 8 or 10 of them in a 4x8 all screaming feeeed me, hehe.
But I loved every minute of it.
I'm jealous Mucker.
Enjoy.
Stay safe
Bill
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I can't believe you did that without an auto watering system. So much work. But it's actually easier and quicker to mix it in 5s than over and over again in 1s. And they obviously don't actually *drink* two and a half gallons a day. That's just how much I give to get about 20% runoff each and every time. You have convinced me now that I smoked my buds from the last coco run that if you water to that much runoff each and every time, there's no need for a flush. Ever.I always said it's like feeding a high-school rugby team.
Try 8 or 10 of them in a 4x8 all screaming feeeed me, hehe.
But I loved every minute of it.
I'm jealous Mucker.
Enjoy.
Stay safe
Bill
You know it's your own damn fault, right?
Stupid coco growers...
It looks like you taped over the air intake openings in the back. Kind of hard to see in the picture but if they're closed off the fan will have to work a bit harder which means more heat and lower lifespan of the fan.
Yeah, 'lil bit.
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Thanks Azi. Not sure what you're seeing with the fan but it's simply taped to a front pole and is not blocking anything. I don't have any infrastructure taped over or blocked or anything else in here. And the door to this tent is never closed all the way (for this plant), so it's not even blocking the zipper.You know it's your own damn fault, right?
Stupid coco growers...
It looks like you taped over the air intake openings in the back. Kind of hard to see in the picture but if they're closed off the fan will have to work a bit harder which means more heat and lower lifespan of the fan.
Yeah, 'lil bit.
Yes, I do actually know it's my own fault. Lol. Thought about blaming it on Bill, but after last grow I can't get away with that.
I think he's talking about the tape holding up the fan:
The tape looks like it covers the fan intake vents.
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Thanks @InTheShed.....Oh! I see what he means if that's it. @Azimuth, I promise, it just looks that way in the picture. Those slots for air intake encircle the fan, and maybe two or three are compromised by the tape. It works fine, I promise! It's also the oldest fan I have and the one I like the least. I hope it does crap the bed frankly, lol. It would give me an excuse to get some new fans!I think he's talking about the tape holding up the fan:
Yep, that was the issue I thought I saw. Glad to hear it's unfounded. 
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Mighty Fulvia
Canopy Prep
Commentary/Suggestions/Insight Especially Appreciated on this One
I finally managed to get a picture (at the end of post) that I believe shows enough detail (includes the 7 gallon geopot) to truly give you an idea of what I have going on here.
Feel free to say YIKES! now. I'm way past that, but I don't know a word that captures it better. YIKESX100 maybe.
So, my first question is, who would like to come over this weekend and show me how to defoliate this beast? Cuz as I look at her this moment, for the first time in my growing "career," I'm a little intimidated! Is that the dumbest thing ever? Just being honest. @Emilya, if you could please work into your business model some sort of home defoliation assistance service, that would be cool. The vans will have the company logo of course. Lol.
Anyway, I guess really all it is is doing what I would normally do but just on a bigger scale. It just seems so daunting. I feel like I don't want to take any of those huge, electron hungry fan leaves that are powering her, but that's almost all there is to take. She's so tall and the air flow is so good in there that I have yet to find any of the moisture on touching leaves that I found on the WWC before I defoliated her and installed the upper fan. So even as leaf laden as you see her here, she's dry all over. Meaning I don't have air flow issues. Got me wondering if maybe I can just take the flarfy branches and leave every leaf I possibly can on the plant.
I'm just going to go bottom up (thanks for that bit of knowledge, @InTheShed), and take the lower branches liberally to eliminate as much flarf as possible. We should have a fair amount of stem showing underneath when I'm done, as there are many a small branch to come off down there. After that I'll assess what to do with the leaves. Sound like a plan? It may be the case that the leaves that come off with those branches is 90% of the puzzle, I don't know. I don't dare take her canopy out any wider than I already have. I can already see that this is one plant where all that flexibility I have in the stems is way cool, but the price for that was stopping the MSA at day 28. I'm thinking based on looking at her that maybe I could have kept it going a bit longer. Lmao. I'm seeing support mechanisms in this plants future.
Here's the picture. Fricking Fulvia on Friday night with at least a tiny semblance of a canopy I hope.
Canopy Prep
Commentary/Suggestions/Insight Especially Appreciated on this One
I finally managed to get a picture (at the end of post) that I believe shows enough detail (includes the 7 gallon geopot) to truly give you an idea of what I have going on here.
Feel free to say YIKES! now. I'm way past that, but I don't know a word that captures it better. YIKESX100 maybe.
So, my first question is, who would like to come over this weekend and show me how to defoliate this beast? Cuz as I look at her this moment, for the first time in my growing "career," I'm a little intimidated! Is that the dumbest thing ever? Just being honest. @Emilya, if you could please work into your business model some sort of home defoliation assistance service, that would be cool. The vans will have the company logo of course. Lol.
Anyway, I guess really all it is is doing what I would normally do but just on a bigger scale. It just seems so daunting. I feel like I don't want to take any of those huge, electron hungry fan leaves that are powering her, but that's almost all there is to take. She's so tall and the air flow is so good in there that I have yet to find any of the moisture on touching leaves that I found on the WWC before I defoliated her and installed the upper fan. So even as leaf laden as you see her here, she's dry all over. Meaning I don't have air flow issues. Got me wondering if maybe I can just take the flarfy branches and leave every leaf I possibly can on the plant.
I'm just going to go bottom up (thanks for that bit of knowledge, @InTheShed), and take the lower branches liberally to eliminate as much flarf as possible. We should have a fair amount of stem showing underneath when I'm done, as there are many a small branch to come off down there. After that I'll assess what to do with the leaves. Sound like a plan? It may be the case that the leaves that come off with those branches is 90% of the puzzle, I don't know. I don't dare take her canopy out any wider than I already have. I can already see that this is one plant where all that flexibility I have in the stems is way cool, but the price for that was stopping the MSA at day 28. I'm thinking based on looking at her that maybe I could have kept it going a bit longer. Lmao. I'm seeing support mechanisms in this plants future.
Here's the picture. Fricking Fulvia on Friday night with at least a tiny semblance of a canopy I hope.
Good morning Jon.
I ran 2 -300 liter and a 100 liter tank.
700 liters at a time capacity.
Once mixed all I had to do was monitor the ph daily.
I had a sweet set up about 1100 sq feet all to myself and my girls.
I should have had a sign over those tanks.
School Cafeteria.
All I needed was a hair net and I could have been the lunch lady. Oh Fer fek.
From what I can see you have 8 weeks of slinging hash your self.
So dig out your apron she start serving.
Because if you think she is hungry now , your in for a treat.
Hope your good my friend.
Stay safe
Bill
I do I do!Yes, absolutely in my book. Getting all branches that won't make the canopy height cut off, and then working from the inside out to remove the same, buds in the shade under things. 3 weeks into flower. Sometimes I do some before flip too but not too much. The longer I wait the more they show me to not take leaves, they will take care of that themselves for the most part. I start taking leaves one or two a day mid flower I think and that's if tucking won't do.
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Morning @Bill284. Boy I wish I could have seen that setup. So sweet. You must have been having a blast. It's funny when you (now) grow coco and then have to go out back to open up the outdoor rig and you see a little auto in a three in soil, and you're like "what's this?" Lmao. Oh yeah, that's paint drying.Good morning Jon.
I ran 2 -300 liter and a 100 liter tank.
700 liters at a time capacity.
Once mixed all I had to do was monitor the ph daily.
I had a sweet set up about 1100 sq feet all to myself and my girls.
I should have had a sign over those tanks.
School Cafeteria.
All I needed was a hair net and I could have been the lunch lady. Oh Fer fek.
From what I can see you have 8 weeks of slinging hash your self.
So dig out your apron she start serving.
Because if you think she is hungry now , your in for a treat.
Hope your good my friend.
Stay safe
Bill
I sure hope I'm good enough too Bill. I suspect I have the skills to pull this off, I guess we'll see. But I found @StoneOtter's answer most helpful as well, and I have lots of peeps I can ask if I get stuck and don't know what to do.
I'm getting ready to go diving in now. I'll post a pic or two of her when I'm done defiling her.
