Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

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Hey Jon

How do you plan to water your soil plants? To me, this is the biggest downside of soil. I like that all I have to do is change the res once a week or so, and it waters all the plants. I'd hate to have to do daily waterings. Are you going to setup something automated?

jon705 said:
Thank you Shotta:Namaste: It cost me $2700 delivered to my door and worth every penny bro, It took 3 of us to install it, mainly because it comes with a 25 foot lineset thats already attached to the head unit so we had to do some manuvering to get it into place but other than that it was really easy, hook the lineset and power up to the the condenser(the whole thing is powered by one plug indoors) put the cover on and thats it bro no HVAC guy needed, it comes with the pad for the outdoor unit as well.It also works well as a dehuey, its pulling 5 gallons a day out of the room:)
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Well hell... I came to your thread to ask you about your AC. I wanted to know about the install, and here you already answered! The only question I had left was how long did it take. An hour! :yikes: wow that's awesome! I won't have 3 people, but I'll manage.

It even comes with the pad huh? I was gonna ask if I could go ahead and pour the pad now. We're putting up a fence, so I'll be mixing concrete soon anyway. I never would have thought it came with a pad. Cool!

jon705 said:
That air layered clone was cut from the mother on the 14th of july and last night 5 days later it has alot of roots growing out of the bottom of the 1 gallon pot! definetly going to save some time with this tecnique:)
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Save grow time, but not growER time. :winkyface:

jon705 said:
thanks guys:Namaste: easiest grow ever thats for sure and who says you need fancy expensive nutes to grow nice frosty weed, that time release stuff im using is working beautifully and it only cost around 50 cents a plant every 30 days:)
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Then why not use it instead of your supersoil? Is SS more expensive than that? Too much for an outdoor grow? Or was it just because you hadn't used SS that you went with this for your outdoor?

jon705 said:
Haha! love the Sir Mixalot refference. I wouldnt use this tecnique for a sea of green style of growing where you need lots of clones because it definetly takes alot longer per clone, if I remember right you have 9 plants per zone? why not train your mothers to have 9 UBT'ed clones and then air layer them? you will end up with 9 UBT'ed clones 4 times the size of a regular clone.Give them a week to root and top the 4 main tops for a 8 main colas per plant, theres definetly weeks of time savings here:)
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I've been thinking about this idea of yours... I think this might help keep plant counts down. I can grow unlimited #'s by WA law, but the US cutoff for mandatory sentencing is 100 plants, so the general rule of thumb is, "don't go over 99!" That should be plenty, but I've changed my plans for the layout of my basement. My awesome wife kept asking me why I didn't just close off the whole end of the basement rather than divide it into 2 rooms. I used to have some good reasons, but I started to think of more reasons not to do it that way. Once I started to rethink things, I realized I would gain ~30-40% more flowering space! :yahoo: This is going to allow me to do a 3 cycle perpetual grow, but now I'm worried I might have trouble keeping it under 99 plants. Especially when I start breeding!

If this technique allows me to eliminate one of the phases of veg growth, then that will help reduce the total plant count.

jon705 said:
Thanks bro,DP was the one that turned me onto it, I used rapid rooters and clonex and it worked beautifully, I also grabbed a big syringe to keep the medium moist instead of trying to open it up every time.Time saving is why im going to try it with much larger clones that have already been UBT'ed, im thinking it will save a month of training:)
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And potentially lower plant count (see above).

Legit Spam said:
Most of what I'm finding applies to cig smoke but clogged stomata are natural outdoors, aren't we trying to replicate that? My new excuse to get high with the girls, environment accuracy:)
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The forest fire reference brings up an important thing to consider. Yes, smoke can clog stomata. Luckilly, plants are able to clear them also. Otherwise, think about all the plants that survive a forest fire. If they were getting suffocated and couldn't unclog themselves, they would die, right? Rain does little to cleanse them since they are on the bottom of the leaves.
 
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hey Hiker, I ll try to answer all the questions lol..I left the res in the res room so right now I mix 40 gallons of solution and feed them every 3 days or so with a hose connected to a pump, another option is some sort of drip system but I like to let them dry right out and this happens at different times so I dont really like the idea of a drip system.theres only 12 large plants in there and ive split them up into 3 different feedings, it takes maybe 20 min to feed 4 plants I can handle that.

Im not worried about grower time bro, I only have to do 4 at a time, this might take me an hr every 3 weeks, no big deal:)

The time release nutes are great for outdoors because I dont have to make 720 gallons of supersoil,I dont charge anywhere near as much for the outdoor so the less I spend on it the better. But I charge top dollar for my indoor so I want it to be the best that it can be, I think full organic is the way to go for that.

Its all about saving time bro, I was worried that 63 days veg would not be enough to get the girls to the size I want them to be before I flower them so I was thinking that i might need a 4th zone in the veg room, I dont think its going to be an issue with this air layering tecnique, because the clones will already be 12 inches tall and have 4 main branches, it easily takes a month of veg training just to get to that point with a regular clone, like I said to DP its not a tecnique for somebody looking for alot of clones often but I think its the perfect solution for my style of growing with 3 zones of 4 plants.

As you know plant counts are not an issue for me:)

Thats a good point about the forrest fires and I smoke in my room, I spend alot of time in there and im a heavy smoker so leaving the room every 20 min is a pain in the ass lol...
 
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Outstanding jon!
You're photos are getting really good brother.
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jon705 said:
hey Hiker, I ll try to answer all the questions lol..I left the res in the res room so right now I mix 40 gallons of solution and feed them every 3 days or so with a hose connected to a pump, another option is some sort of drip system but I like to let them dry right out and this happens at different times so I dont really like the idea of a drip system.theres only 12 large plants in there and ive split them up into 3 different feedings, it takes maybe 20 min to feed 4 plants I can handle that.

Im not worried about grower time bro, I only have to do 4 at a time, this might take me an hr every 3 weeks, no big deal:)

The time release nutes are great for outdoors because I dont have to make 720 gallons of supersoil,I dont charge anywhere near as much for the outdoor so the less I spend on it the better. But I charge top dollar for my indoor so I want it to be the best that it can be, I think full organic is the way to go for that.

Its all about saving time bro, I was worried that 63 days veg would not be enough to get the girls to the size I want them to be before I flower them so I was thinking that i might need a 4th zone in the veg room, I dont think its going to be an issue with this air layering tecnique, because the clones will already be 12 inches tall and have 4 main branches, it easily takes a month of veg training just to get to that point with a regular clone, like I said to DP its not a tecnique for somebody looking for alot of clones often but I think its the perfect solution for my style of growing with 3 zones of 4 plants.

As you know plant counts are not an issue for me:)

Thats a good point about the forrest fires and I smoke in my room, I spend alot of time in there and im a heavy smoker so leaving the room every 20 min is a pain in the ass lol...
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Thanks Jon :thumb:

I don't like the idea of an automated watering system for that same reason. I also thought it would add a layer of complexity that isn't much different than my existing hydro system. :winkyface:

Is your motivation for growing fewer, larger, plants so you only have to feed/water/train/trim a smaller number of plants at a time?

I'm aware you're not concerned about the plant counts, so then I wonder why the preference for the long veg times? It seems to me that most folks that grow large plants do so to keep their counts lower.

Keep in mind that I totally get the "cause big plants are cool!" argument. If that's the case, then I completely get it! :Namaste:


Sorry for all the questions, but I have another... How do you use your pump and hose? Do you have a way to control the pump from the end of the hose? ie how do you control the flow when you're watering the plants? My floor is concrete, but I still try to avoid spilling any water. When I backflush my system, using a hose, the nozzle I use has a valve to turn off the water. I pretty much leave that hose "on" all the time and just close the nozzle.

This works much nicer than how I have to fill my res with RO. I use a pump for this task, hence why I was asking. I have to run back and forth and it's a bit of a pain as the hose likes to try and come out of the res when I go back to the RO area to stop the pump or check how much RO is left. So I'm curious about how you work using a pump. I haven't found a good solution for that one yet.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions. :blalol: I just feel like we're on similar roads, I'm just several crops behind you. :winkyface:

Just FYI, you've got me thinking so much about soil, I've decided I'll do a test crop in soil much sooner than I thought I would. When I expand my flowering room, I can put my 3rd HPS back and move all 3. I'll put them over my existing hydro system AND some buckets of dirt! :MoreNutes:
I won't be able to fill the flowering space until I get more light, but the 3 I have should cover about half the space OK until I can afford more lighting. There is another bonus. It will be a great side-by-side experiment. I'm hoping I can do this next month. The area I want to expand the flowering room into is not ready yet though, so I'm not sure I can find the resources (time & $$) to get that done before this harvest.
 
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ok heres my motivation for growing fewer larger plants, it all boils down to something I heard Subcool and a cpl others say, He says that wether its a clone or from seed it needs time to mature, I was of the belief that a clone is the same age as the mother and because of this I grew sog for many years but I vegged the plants in the flower room now for around 45 days and then they went outside remember? I noticed that around the 60-65 day mark the growth pattern started to change on all of them, all of a sudden they just looked like they were ready to flower if that makes any sense,regular growth for the first 2 months is always a node then a cpl inches then a node and so on right, for most strains anyways? well once they hit that 60 day mark they all started growing nodes every cm or less even, it looked like they were growing colas without going into flower, again if that makes any sense.As soon as I saw this it made me think of what Sub was saying and to me it ment that they were ready or mature, heres a cpl pics,
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those 2 pics are Jack, a strain I grew last round in the same soil with the same nutes but last round they didnt look like that, the node spacing was much further apart, this round even before I flipped thats what the spacing looked like on all the girls while they were still in veg, according to Sub this is the time to flip, not only will you get much bigger longer colas but he also said that the flavors or terpenes are much more powerful and complex on the finished product because the plants were ready.Ive never vegged this long so I wont know if thats true or not until this round is done but one thing I can say is the smell in the room right now is stronger than its ever been at this stage with smaller plants so im starting to think hes right.The way things are looking right now im going to have alot of 18-24 inch colas in a month or so as aposed to nug nug nug 6 inch cola like I usually get. I dont know if you've watched any of the weed nerd vids but Sub's flower room is always full of huge colas like this, he says its because he lets his plants mature, there are alot of exellent gardens here on 420 but I have yet to see a room that looks anything like Sub's Donkey Farm, thats how I want my room to look so Im trying to mimmick his tecniques and his soil in an attempt to get simillar results, he averages 10-12 oz per plant of sellable product so hydro like results in everyway with a water only system.

I have one of those watering wands with a flow regulator to water the girls bro, I know its not good for the pump to run like this but it takes 5 seconds or less to move from one plant to the next so the flow isnt off for long, so far its working great and very easy on the back because I dont even have to bend down at all or move plants to get to them.At first I was just filling a 5 gallon bucket and using a juice pitcher to water them,this also worked well but took longer so I tried the wand and havent looked back since.If your going to try this method my advice is buy a good hose and a good wand otherwise they will leak all over the place.

I hope you try supersoil when you do your test bro, I dont think sinthetic nutes and soil will get the results you and I and every other comercial grower is looking for"big colas!" for a comercial grower its all about weight, I think this is why most of them go to hydro because in that departement regular soil cannot compete...period. But I have watched every vid Sub has done and his results with his recipe are very consistent, he gets hydrolike speed and weight and its super dense frosty all organic dank! He has no reason to lie, he doesnt sell his soil,the company that does isnt his he gets no royalties from it, he gave all of us the recipe for free on youtube and the vids dont lie no matter what vid you watch theres almost always huge colas falling over on his plants no matter what strain it is.
Hes compared his weed to many proffessional hydro growers weed, most of them friends of his, even they say his weed taste night and day better, I feel guilty about charging as much as I do for my product but thats just the way it has to be right now,Its freaking expensive to grow this stuff properly! so I figure why not grow the tastiest weed I can and charge a little less for it because I will be saving several thousand dollars every year using supersoil over sinthetic nutes with half a dozen expensive additives..it just makes sense to me, I hope all of this makes sense bro:)
 
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plants look great,

if you wasnt using them pots your using and you was using regular pots do you think you would be having root issues, if say you was using regular plastic pots then id of thought the plants would be at about their max size for the root mass in the pot, id be concerned that later in flower the roots would have problems,

so far ive only used regular plastic pots but have been tempted to give air pots a try due to their self prune of the roots idea, so say my 1ft pots at the minute can support a 3ft plant, ive always based it on that fact that a plant can grow 2 to 3 times the size of its pot, but this is with regular pots so would an air pot allow me to veg for much longer and grow plants 1 to 2 ft taller, i tend to flip my plants to veg around 1ft high which is usually when nodes are not growing opposite each other and plants have usually shown sex by about 1ft high, then when i flip to flower my plants may reach 3ft in total but usually between 2 and 3 depending on strain,

so if i invested in air pots could i cut my numbers down by growing much bigger plants, so instead of have say 7 plants i could get away with just 3 and still have the same or similar yield, i know id veg longer but more veg means bigger buds so thats not reallly an issue plus i rotate plants so every few weeks i got some ready to move into flower room,

my other problem is knowing what size plants i can grow under 400watt hps, height wise im unsure on how much the 400watt dual spec hps can penetrate, it seems ok with 2 to 3ft plants,

you have got amazing looking plants, if i could grow plants like that every time then id be very happy indeed,
well done jon
 
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donpaul.p said:
plants look great,

if you wasnt using them pots your using and you was using regular pots do you think you would be having root issues, if say you was using regular plastic pots then id of thought the plants would be at about their max size for the root mass in the pot, id be concerned that later in flower the roots would have problems,

so far ive only used regular plastic pots but have been tempted to give air pots a try due to their self prune of the roots idea, so say my 1ft pots at the minute can support a 3ft plant, ive always based it on that fact that a plant can grow 2 to 3 times the size of its pot, but this is with regular pots so would an air pot allow me to veg for much longer and grow plants 1 to 2 ft taller, i tend to flip my plants to veg around 1ft high which is usually when nodes are not growing opposite each other and plants have usually shown sex by about 1ft high, then when i flip to flower my plants may reach 3ft in total but usually between 2 and 3 depending on strain,

so if i invested in air pots could i cut my numbers down by growing much bigger plants, so instead of have say 7 plants i could get away with just 3 and still have the same or similar yield, i know id veg longer but more veg means bigger buds so thats not reallly an issue plus i rotate plants so every few weeks i got some ready to move into flower room,

my other problem is knowing what size plants i can grow under 400watt hps, height wise im unsure on how much the 400watt dual spec hps can penetrate, it seems ok with 2 to 3ft plants,

you have got amazing looking plants, if i could grow plants like that every time then id be very happy indeed,
well done jon
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You can definetly grow bigger plants with air pots, how much bigger im not sure yet, these plants should be in 10 gallon pots imo but so far they are fine in these 6 maybe 6.5 gallon"air pots", gonna have to wait and see if theres issues later on though.Im switching to 7 gallon nursery pots, this is what Sub uses for his 6 foot plants with supersoil, I train my plants alot more than he does thought so I might even go with 10 gallon pots not sure yet.

as for the 400 dual spectrum, you said your growing 7 3 foot plants under it? personally I wouldnt do more than 4 3 foot max plants with it, the penetration just isnt good enough, whats the core footprint 2.5 x 2.5? 3 x3 max? how do you fit 7 3 foot plants in 9 square feet? are they untopped?Try less plants of around the same size, I bet you get simillar weights to what you get now but your secondaries will be alot larger and denser, just my 2 cents though:)
 
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Good Weednesday Jon and Mrs705:circle-of-love:
as usual your garden is stellar:)
 
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Im going to be a busy guy today, the autos are due for they're last bit of nutes so I ll be mixing it into the soil of all 96 plants today, the good news is theres colas the size of baseball bats out there, the bad news is I found 1 plant had some bud rot...I inspected all of them thoghroughly and didnt find anymore but chances are if one has it others do too.Im going to beef up the frame a bit with some extra ribs and cover them with 6 mil poly to keep the rain and dew off of them.I removed the part of the nug that had it, I just kept chopping away at the nug until I was sure there wasnt any left showing then inspected it all the way down the plant, the problem is there is alot of maple and pine all around the patch so botritis is in the air.Its been getting into the mid 50's at night lately and its been really windy, combine that with the bit of rain and the dew every morning and you have a recipe for bud rot, hopefully covering them up will slow it down, I need at least 2 more weeks preferably 3-4 before I harvest.Needless to say I ll be keeping a very close eye on them from now on.
 
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Sorry to hear about the rot..One of the few things I never have to worry about living in the high desert...Humidity only exists around here when it's falling from clouds!
 
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