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mostly weed the odd cig tho...I know I know lol
mostly weed the odd cig tho...I know I know lol
Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System
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What could be said jon?, except good work!, reminds me of home!
What could be said jon?, except good work!, reminds me of home!
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Thanks Mcloadie
Thanks Mcloadie
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AIR LAYERING UPDATE
I cut this rooted clone off of the mother late on the 14 of July, today 7 days later it was showing roots out the bottom of the 1 gallon pot so I decided to transplant it.
I planted my next round of rooted clones that were well rooted and they are just now starting to show new growth, they are in 1/2 gallon pots are not showing roots at the bottom of the pots yet.If your trying to save some time I feel that Air layering is one way to do it, recovery time is much quicker and the clones are much larger. The next update will be once I UBT 4 branches on a mother I will try this again, if I can make it work I think this tecnique will save me 3-4 weeks in the veg room so much bigger plants after the 63 day veg cycle
AIR LAYERING UPDATE
I cut this rooted clone off of the mother late on the 14 of July, today 7 days later it was showing roots out the bottom of the 1 gallon pot so I decided to transplant it.
I planted my next round of rooted clones that were well rooted and they are just now starting to show new growth, they are in 1/2 gallon pots are not showing roots at the bottom of the pots yet.If your trying to save some time I feel that Air layering is one way to do it, recovery time is much quicker and the clones are much larger. The next update will be once I UBT 4 branches on a mother I will try this again, if I can make it work I think this tecnique will save me 3-4 weeks in the veg room so much bigger plants after the 63 day veg cycle
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Im going to look into air layering. I like big plants and I can not lie.
reps on those roots to the bottom of the 1 gal. in 7 days. that thing is gonna be in charge real soon.
Im going to look into air layering. I like big plants and I can not lie.
reps on those roots to the bottom of the 1 gal. in 7 days. that thing is gonna be in charge real soon.
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Haha! love the Sir Mixalot refference. I wouldnt use this tecnique for a sea of green style of growing where you need lots of clones because it definetly takes alot longer per clone, if I remember right you have 9 plants per zone? why not train your mothers to have 9 UBT'ed clones and then air layer them? you will end up with 9 UBT'ed clones 4 times the size of a regular clone.Give them a week to root and top the 4 main tops for a 8 main colas per plant, theres definetly weeks of time savings here
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Im researching it now. If I could cut down on veg time I could actually produce more faster if that makes sense. When i try this I hope my batch of recycled soil was amended in the proper proportions. I think it should be good.
But man Im looking at those roots and for some that might take a month. f'in awesome jon. keep at it.
Im researching it now. If I could cut down on veg time I could actually produce more faster if that makes sense. When i try this I hope my batch of recycled soil was amended in the proper proportions. I think it should be good.
But man Im looking at those roots and for some that might take a month. f'in awesome jon. keep at it.
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I can't see smoke being an issue really, the air indoors is so dirty anyways, how can smoke make it worse? I figure it's free CO2 Maybe if you turned your leaves over & blew straight into them but a little smoke circulating in the room I just can't see it making a big enough difference to measure...I can tell you the 10-13 days we had of smoke outdoors here from my state catching on fire turned my plants up to volume 15...They grew like hydro for a week or two....
I can't see smoke being an issue really, the air indoors is so dirty anyways, how can smoke make it worse? I figure it's free CO2
Maybe if you turned your leaves over & blew straight into them but a little smoke circulating in the room I just can't see it making a big enough difference to measure...I can tell you the 10-13 days we had of smoke outdoors here from my state catching on fire turned my plants up to volume 15...They grew like hydro for a week or two....- Thread starter
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Thanks bro,DP was the one that turned me onto it, I used rapid rooters and clonex and it worked beautifully, I also grabbed a big syringe to keep the medium moist instead of trying to open it up every time.Time saving is why im going to try it with much larger clones that have already been UBT'ed, im thinking it will save a month of training
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im pretty sure its been proven that smoke of any kind plugs the stomatas on the underside of the leaves and restricts co2 uptake but ive always smoked in my room so I dont really know how much..I can't see smoke being an issue really, the air indoors is so dirty anyways, how can smoke make it worse? I figure it's free CO2
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Most of what I'm finding applies to cig smoke but clogged stomata are natural outdoors, aren't we trying to replicate that? My new excuse to get high with the girls, environment accuracy
Most of what I'm finding applies to cig smoke but clogged stomata are natural outdoors, aren't we trying to replicate that? My new excuse to get high with the girls, environment accuracy
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finally got caught up, them autos are looking really good jon, their loving them slow release nutes by the looks of it,
so glad the air layering/cloning worked out for you, some try it and fail, but keep the stem thats covered totally dark and roots will grow, the best thing is you can make any branch a clone no matter how long it is, once its got roots it can be planted.
the other option is soil layering but its a bit difficult as you have to balance a pot on top of the plant pot so you can keep the stem your cloning below soil level, but you cant tell when the roots have grown without digging down so not tried soil layering yet,
the only thing similar to soil layering was when i had a sleestack that i did some lst on, it bent right over so it was running along the top of the soil so i just burried about 5 inches of the stem and it grew roots all along the stem and the plant grew like crazy.
i wouldnt use air layering for high numbers of clones unless you had a big mother plant and was doing a sog but if you dont have a mother plant then id use air layering for difficult to clone plants, thats why i tried it and found you can clone anything using this method, done right you will always get 100% success, plus bigger clones means less veg time.
finally got caught up, them autos are looking really good jon, their loving them slow release nutes by the looks of it,
so glad the air layering/cloning worked out for you, some try it and fail, but keep the stem thats covered totally dark and roots will grow, the best thing is you can make any branch a clone no matter how long it is, once its got roots it can be planted.
the other option is soil layering but its a bit difficult as you have to balance a pot on top of the plant pot so you can keep the stem your cloning below soil level, but you cant tell when the roots have grown without digging down so not tried soil layering yet,
the only thing similar to soil layering was when i had a sleestack that i did some lst on, it bent right over so it was running along the top of the soil so i just burried about 5 inches of the stem and it grew roots all along the stem and the plant grew like crazy.
i wouldnt use air layering for high numbers of clones unless you had a big mother plant and was doing a sog but if you dont have a mother plant then id use air layering for difficult to clone plants, thats why i tried it and found you can clone anything using this method, done right you will always get 100% success, plus bigger clones means less veg time.
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I would like to see a side by side jon, two similar cuts, one air layered and one in the aerocloner. Next time I run my aerocloner I'll put a giant cut in it and see how it does..........I plant in soil in 10 days with my aerocloner.........and they fill a one gallon with roots two weeks after that. That's an average, some cuts are ready in 6 or 7 days....that's with the addition of hormex in the res..
I would like to see a side by side jon, two similar cuts, one air layered and one in the aerocloner. Next time I run my aerocloner I'll put a giant cut in it and see how it does..........I plant in soil in 10 days with my aerocloner.........and they fill a one gallon with roots two weeks after that. That's an average, some cuts are ready in 6 or 7 days....that's with the addition of hormex in the res..
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you would definetly have to do the air layering earlier, I think it took 3 weeks to root as much as it did and im going to try it on a top branch that has been trained UBT style, im not sure if a clone that size will root in a cloner but it would be cool to find out.Can you try something like that? I canabilized my cloner a long time ago lol
you would definetly have to do the air layering earlier, I think it took 3 weeks to root as much as it did and im going to try it on a top branch that has been trained UBT style, im not sure if a clone that size will root in a cloner but it would be cool to find out.Can you try something like that? I canabilized my cloner a long time ago lol
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3 weeks is good jon, that was the timeline in my exercises with air cloning. I'm going to wait til it's cooler to run the big cuts, however, I have found that cuts root faster...normal size ones......in warmer water, I get good results even at 95 degrees. When I do it I'll put a little triple sixteen in there too....or maybe just foliar feed em til they hook up. A funny thing, when I run at 24 hours light, the cuts all foxtail when they go outside, but if you just put em under 12/12 indoors they grow normally...I'm thinking hard about how this happens. I just run 24 on because I can't darken the two other areas I grow in to stay perpetual.
3 weeks is good jon, that was the timeline in my exercises with air cloning. I'm going to wait til it's cooler to run the big cuts, however, I have found that cuts root faster...normal size ones......in warmer water, I get good results even at 95 degrees. When I do it I'll put a little triple sixteen in there too....or maybe just foliar feed em til they hook up. A funny thing, when I run at 24 hours light, the cuts all foxtail when they go outside, but if you just put em under 12/12 indoors they grow normally...I'm thinking hard about how this happens. I just run 24 on because I can't darken the two other areas I grow in to stay perpetual.
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Ive been running my veg room 24/0 as well but once I start firing up the big lights I think its going to be too hot this time of year so I will probably use GLR for now and leave the door open between the 2 rooms for the 12 hrs, the minisplit will keep both rooms cool and the veg room will benefit from the co2.Then the lights will only run for the 1/2 hr without cooling.Ive been trying to figure out a way to hook up the portable a/c in there but it doesnt look like I can do it because the ductwork would have to be way to long.Im not a fan of GLR but I dont have much of a choice right now.
Ive been running my veg room 24/0 as well but once I start firing up the big lights I think its going to be too hot this time of year so I will probably use GLR for now and leave the door open between the 2 rooms for the 12 hrs, the minisplit will keep both rooms cool and the veg room will benefit from the co2.Then the lights will only run for the 1/2 hr without cooling.Ive been trying to figure out a way to hook up the portable a/c in there but it doesnt look like I can do it because the ductwork would have to be way to long.Im not a fan of GLR but I dont have much of a choice right now.
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Yeah, good idea, I had to shut half the t5's off in my veg area, it has no cooling, I took the thermometer out of there.....I can't do any more than run the evap where that room is......and I'm pretty sure that room is in the 90's mostly. I'm gonna try and do a hydro run this winter when I can rely on ambient temps to keep the res at an acceptable temp., or I could do drain to waste, which would be much easier...in coco with no res.. I don't like the idea of nutes running in the ground, I can see the creek from my front door, and inevitably that water will end up in the aquifer........I think much differently these days...what I do may only make a small difference.....but I need to do what I can.
Yeah, good idea, I had to shut half the t5's off in my veg area, it has no cooling, I took the thermometer out of there.....I can't do any more than run the evap where that room is......and I'm pretty sure that room is in the 90's mostly. I'm gonna try and do a hydro run this winter when I can rely on ambient temps to keep the res at an acceptable temp., or I could do drain to waste, which would be much easier...in coco with no res.. I don't like the idea of nutes running in the ground, I can see the creek from my front door, and inevitably that water will end up in the aquifer........I think much differently these days...what I do may only make a small difference.....but I need to do what I can.
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yep im in the same boat bro, usually the cool air from my basement is enough to keep the veg room in the high 80's just with a little bathroom fan but im adding that test light from Topled so im not sure how thats going to affect temps, its a COB led, they are suposed to run hotter than reg led's.
When I was running hydro I had no choice but to pump my res out every 7-10 days and I felt guilty everytime, now that im using soil I dont have that problem,I mix 40 gallons in the res at a time and use it as needed, theres 4 six inch airstones and a pump circulating, thats definetly another plus to growing in soil its better for the enviroment
yep im in the same boat bro, usually the cool air from my basement is enough to keep the veg room in the high 80's just with a little bathroom fan but im adding that test light from Topled so im not sure how thats going to affect temps, its a COB led, they are suposed to run hotter than reg led's.
When I was running hydro I had no choice but to pump my res out every 7-10 days and I felt guilty everytime, now that im using soil I dont have that problem,I mix 40 gallons in the res at a time and use it as needed, theres 4 six inch airstones and a pump circulating, thats definetly another plus to growing in soil its better for the enviroment
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Are those 6 watt diodes? What's their angle, you know, why should a person use these lights?
yep im in the same boat bro, usually the cool air from my basement is enough to keep the veg room in the high 80's just with a little bathroom fan but im adding that test light from Topled so im not sure how thats going to affect temps, its a COB led, they are suposed to run hotter than reg led's.
When I was running hydro I had no choice but to pump my res out every 7-10 days and I felt guilty everytime, now that im using soil I dont have that problem,I mix 40 gallons in the res at a time and use it as needed, theres 4 six inch airstones and a pump circulating, thats definetly another plus to growing in soil its better for the enviroment
Are those 6 watt diodes? What's their angle, you know, why should a person use these lights?